RAW Superthread

Agent Coulson

Eye gouging and Ball grabs are legal.

Shayna takes on and beats 3 women Underground and looks the most legit person on it on the last two weeks well that's because she is.

Agent Coulson

Randy's turn on Flair was telegraphed by Flair facial reactions from the end of the match before Randy even got on the mic.

To be fair the was Flair's best promo in years.

Loughc

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Ouch
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDuqFnmhIT5/

How that dweeb has a match against Rollins at Summerslam is beyond me.

Doesn’t look like a star and is green as s....

It’s a slap in the face to the rest of the roster than won’t end up working Summerslam.

Loughc

PTH2009 wrote: »

Retribution is so dumb

Completely agree. They look like petty thugs that are teenagers who are acting out cause Mommy didn’t buy them the right Cadillac for their sweet 16th.

They’re not imposing at all.

And considering the damage they did on smackdown you think wwe would have beefed up security. It’s so hard to suspend logic for this.

Lord TSC

Loughc wrote: »

How that dweeb has a match against Rollins at Summerslam is beyond me.

Meh, from a story point of view, I think it's absolutely fine.

Not every match has to be about "making stars" out of the babyface. I think Rollins has looked great, especially in this segment giving the beatdown to Dom, while taunting Rey.

I also think there's a subtle build towards Rollins vs Joe happening too.

I don't think Dom will go toe to toe vs Rollins. I'd imagine Rollins will kill him, and might lose when someone interferes to help, setting up whatever's next for the Rollins character. But I don't think the plan will be to build Dom up towards anything major. He's a pawn in the larger Rollins vs Rey storyline.


Now Retribution....that I agree on. They're awful imo. Like kids playing dress up.

Loughc

Oh I completely get Dominik and Rollins is building to something else but that makes it even more frustrating it’s a throw away match at Summerslam. Give them the blow off on a B PPV.

RollieFingers

Did they get rid of the dancers on WWE fight club? Saw a few comments on Twitter about it, including from Madusa calling out the hypocrisy between the dancers and the womens revolution the company loves to champion.

The White Wolf

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Randy's turn on Flair was telegraphed by Flair facial reactions from the end of the match before Randy even got on the mic.

To be fair the was Flair's best promo in years.

I did like the expression on Flair's face as Orton was hugging him. It was a "this hug don't mean sh1t I know you too well."

B.A._Baracus

RollieFingers wrote: »

Did they get rid of the dancers on WWE fight club? Saw a few comments on Twitter about it, including from Madusa calling out the hypocrisy between the dancers and the womens revolution the company loves to champion.

Can't do anything these days!
On one hand she does make a point WWE does like its ol' hypocrisy. But on the other you could argue that by saying that and feeling that way she doesn't really care if said dancers are out of pocket now. At the end of the day it was a job for them that helped put food on the table.

DM_7

Odd to have a group of Ninja's going around and now a faction dressed a lot like Ninja's.

J. Marston

Were the dancers wrestlers or developmental talent?

If not, what exactly is wrong with WWE hiring dancers/actresses for a scene? Why are people offended on behalf of women who may be perfectly happy to do a gig.

Lord TSC

Loughc wrote: »

Oh I completely get Dominik and Rollins is building to something else but that makes it even more frustrating it’s a throw away match at Summerslam. Give them the blow off on a B PPV.

I get your point, but this is probably going to be way low down on the card, given a lack of title involved. I'd say even possibly the opening match.

Lord TSC

Watching Orton/Flair...God, Randy is so great as a bad guy. He's someone I think has thrived with no crowd. It lets his little nuances come across so perfectly.

That sets up up Orton vs Charlotte too :pac:

CastorTroy

As much as I like seeing Mickie, do we need her vs Nattie?

Do they seriously expect us to believe that group could flip a car when 1 seemed to struggle with a cinder block?

The one in the black that fought Shayna had similar hair to one of Retribution from Raw. Didn't recognise the taller blonde but the other blonde is former Titan Games winner Emily Andzulis. Just know that because world always see her as a fan.

Agent Coulson

How many years do we have to wait for Nicholas to main event WM.

At least he was a tag team champion and probably deserves more of a chance than Dominik.

PTH2009

Orton is such a prick and one of the all time great heels. Hope they keep him as a heel for a long time. Think he's winning the title at Summerslam.

They ****ed up Retribution already having them go around like a bunch of spoilt teenagers. No 'you get out of here' jesus christ who writes that ****e

Agent Coulson

A former WWF star and real deal underground shoot fighter speaks.

https://twitter.com/ShamrockKen/status/1292975348007804928?s=20


Give Ken one last run he would instantly be the scariest guy in the WWE if he returned.

B.A._Baracus

I find it funny that Shamrock is touting for a job while he is currently working for Impact :pac:
Accordingly there is nothing in his contract that says he cannot wrestle for another promotion (again, accordingly anyways) But he clearly mustn't care about Impact :pac:

That would be like taking a phone interview while working in your job. Not a bother who hears lol.

CastorTroy

Underground brings back memories of Puder/Angle.

The security guy must have decided being a Ninja wasn't for him

Agent Coulson

There is also what looks like a ref there yet Shane is the one calling off the fights and declaring the winner.

beakerjoe

J. Marston wrote: »

Were the dancers wrestlers or developmental talent?

If not, what exactly is wrong with WWE hiring dancers/actresses for a scene? Why are people offended on behalf of women who may be perfectly happy to do a gig.

Not offended, its just a sleazy presentation in a PG show. It adds nothing to the already cheap presentation of Raw Underground.

Loughc

Shane = Ratings

Last night's episode of WWE Monday Night Raw - the second to feature "Raw Underground" - was up in viewership figures week-over-week, generating an average audience of 1.721 million, compared to 1.715 million on August 3. It is actually the most watched Raw since late June. On the night, Raw finished with a 0.47 rating in the 18-49 demo over the three hours, with each of th hours finishing #4, #5 and #7. The rating isn't great, down from each of the last two weeks. In total viewership, Raw finished 25th and the only sports competition on the night were a couple of basketball games, one of which (Nuggets/Lakers) beat Raw in 18-49. The hourly figures are below:


Hour 1 - 1.811 million
Hour 2 - 1.754 million
Hour 3 - 1.601 million

J. Marston

Shane > LeBron.

https://twitter.com/ourand_sbj/status/1293306587797491713?s=21

Agent Coulson

It is crazy how the WWE is actually dominating the over 50 audience when everything they are doing is trying to target everyone but the over 50's and they just can't get the under 50's to watch.

OneEightSeven

Retribution is just the Spirit Squad in balaclavas. A bunch of geeks jumping up and down, cheering and high-fiving each other.

RAW ratings over the last 6 years:

beakerjoe

I can't argue with the above.

The planning says it all. No clue as to what these guys are doing or why yet, but the fact that WWE dont even know who they want behind the masks says it all.

No direction, no long term plan..... no sense.

CastorTroy

I think the reason they haven't really attacked anyone yet is because of their size. I know we've been able to judge their height from surroundings but imagine them attacking Drew and looking tiny beside him. Then they unmask later to reveal themselves as the likes of Dijakovic.

Was it Aces & Eights that only revealed 1 every now and again?

beakerjoe

CastorTroy wrote: »

I think the reason they haven't really attacked anyone yet is because of their size. I know we've been able to judge their height from surroundings but imagine them attacking Drew and looking tiny beside him. Then they unmask later to reveal themselves as the likes of Dijakovic.

Was it Aces & Eights that only revealed 1 every now and again?

But if they plan on having Dijack or Ciampa or whomever involved, why not have them there now acting out the angle now themselves.

J. Marston

Seen the idea floated around online that they're meant to be a joke group and it's Vince taking a pop at protestors.

beakerjoe

I must say, that while Raw was ok for most parts the ending of the Owens Orton match was brilliant.

Flair showed why he is the best ever in terms of believability, you feel its all real to him and he makes you feel his passion.

And further proof that Orton, when motivated, can be a top tier guy. Hes been nothing short of perfect since turning on Edge. Hes so natural in his current role and he is their best heel at the minute.

You wanna get Drew over.? Have him win againsy Randy.

Loughc

J. Marston wrote: »

Seen the idea floated around online that they're meant to be a joke group and it's Vince taking a pop at protestors.

I fully believe this.

Agent Coulson

The Radical Left invading WWE.

CastorTroy

Now what could they have BLM stand for?

J. Marston

CastorTroy wrote: »

Now what could they have BLM stand for?

Brother Love Matters.

CastorTroy

That would be funny. Remove the masks to reveal all red faces

Furious-Red

J. Marston wrote: »

Seen the idea floated around online that they're meant to be a joke group and it's Vince taking a pop at protestors.

I had that thought actually as it makes sense sadly. The fact its people jumping on cars, breaking windows etc does sound like what the republicans think all protesters are like.

Cherry_Cola

It's 100% a play on the protestors. Living in protester central right now and don't watch WWE often but was my first thought when I saw the clips. They just voted to defund the police here in Seattle with the police chief resigning, fun times ahead

sky88

In fairness any report about Vince sounds true cause he’s a crazy man

CastorTroy

Cherry_Cola wrote: »

It's 100% a play on the protestors. Living in protester central right now and don't watch WWE often but was my first thought when I saw the clips. They just voted to defund the police here in Seattle with the police chief resigning, fun times ahead

Just makes me think I know what comes next. If we hear a police officer say "Dead or alive, you're coming with me" we'll soon have a cop that's part man, part machine, all cop

JP Liz V1

HBK to confront Orton over Flair tonight

PTH2009

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

HBK to confront Orton over Flair tonight

HBK is getting a punt kick

So is everything Live from the Thunderdome from now on (till they can tour again) ?

Loughc

PTH2009 wrote: »

HBK is getting a punt kick

So is everything Live from the Thunderdome from now on (till they can tour again) ?

Starting this Friday until end of October it seems.

PTH2009

Retribution are back and have taken the show off the air

Agent Coulson

Have USA put on a good movie in its place then?

PTH2009

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Have USA put on a good movie in its place then?

nah they decided to keep the show on the air and leave some production staff alone

PTH2009

so it was Zelina who poisoned Ford

Agent Coulson

Well Prichard and Vince showing what they really thinks of WWE Legend Mickie James as the the commentators called making her comeback.

PTH2009

coked up Shane McMahon is back, This Raw Underground thing is getting a bit stale

PTH2009

Rey's eye will miraculously recover when the programme with Seth Rollins.

Agent Coulson

Shane is stuck in a 90's Girls Gone Wild/MTV Spring Break mode someone needs to tell him it's 2020.

That was sick no Shane it really wasn't.