RAW Superthread

Furious-Red

CastorTroy wrote: »

Yeah I was trying to tell if it was a skirt or not. I assumed shorts but hard to tell.
Expected the match to go that way. Can't have Randy losing and have to keep Keith looking string for a week at least.

So Shayna and Nia(who I'm still not clear on the suspension status of) have suddenly decided to put their rivalry aside to get a shot at the tag titles ahead of proper teams. Oh how we love this logic.

If what was said above is true about appearing on screens, I can see changes coming to it.

And they need to control the volume on the "fans". They were nearly louder than Drew when he was talking. Some seemed to be booing him.

I wouldnt be surprised if Nia or Shayna walk out on one another

Agent Coulson

Furious-Red wrote: »

I wouldnt be surprised if Nia or Shayna walk out on one another

And still somehow win the tag titles.

CastorTroy

Nia to win singlehandedly and go on to win the Raw women's title. The new WWE will be built on the shoulders of Nia and Roman

JP Liz V1

Is Orton going to give Lee a clean win at Payback or DQ with Drew interfering

PTH2009

Think Alistair Black will make a great heel

Why did Keith Lee get that generic theme song, overall good debut for him. He could have a massive future if booked right.

3 punt kicks in the one night for Drew, doctors very worried, was it definitely kayfabe ?

Raw underground was as meh as that stupid arm wrestling segment. Kevin Owens should be there to live up to his fight owens fight personality

Retribution show up only once to beat up Rey and Dom with Rollins/Murphy sitting back watching. So cross brand group with Reigns and Rollins the leaders ?

sky88

Thunderdome and summer slam put some life into raw ratings

https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1298350700951265280?s=20

ThePott

The rumour is that the reason for some theme changes lately and of course Lee's is that CFO$ gets a 50% royalty for their music and they're no longer working for WWE as well so as a result they're changing a lot of themes.

We could lose some heavy hitters if this proves true.

jaykhunter

ThePott wrote: »

The rumour is that the reason for some theme changes lately and of course Lee's is that CFO$ gets a 50% royalty for their music and they're no longer working for WWE as well so as a result they're changing a lot of themes. We could lose some heavy hitters if this proves true.

it's mental because CFO$ were brought in so they didn't have to pay Jim Johnston (proper) royalties. Maybe WWE should just cut to the finish line and use fan submissions and give them free Thunderdome tix as payment :P

ThePott

It's crazy alright, I can't believe that was the deal tbh. Especially as you mentioned when the ditched Jim Johnston. Considering CFO$ were sort of nobodies seems a really generous deal to give them.
It also explains why there's been a lot of themes changed over the last while (Seth Rollins, Buddy Murphy, Johnny Gargano, Candice LeRae, Io Shirai, Bayley, Liv Morgan, Apollo Crews, etc.).

Some other ones potentially on the chopping block: Finn Balor, AJ Styles, Seth Rollins (original theme), Asuka, Charlotte Flair, Becky Lynch, Sasha Banks, Alexa Bliss, Kevin Owens, Samoa Joe, Shinsuke Nakamura, Iconics, Braun Strowman, Aleister Black, Drew McIntyre, Undisputed Era, Shayna Baszler, Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville, Ciampa, Lacey Evans, Rhea Ripley and Matt Riddle.

Basically anyone who's come through NXT or debuted between 2013-2019. Which is a massive group. Seems they're taking a lot of opportunities to change themes when someone turns heel but we may never get the original themes back again. Don't think they'll ditch everything obviously but it's an interesting situation none the less.

Omackeral

Agent Coulson wrote: »

These camera cuts are making the show more unwatchable than the crappy storylines.

I don’t watch anymore. I’ve given up. Aside from one year, I’ve watched since 1993 non stop. Every week. Can’t anymore.

JP Liz V1

sky88 wrote: »

Thunderdome and summer slam put some life into raw ratings

https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1298350700951265280?s=20

Dominic is a ratings winner

jaykhunter

Omackeral wrote: »

I don’t watch anymore. I’ve given up. Aside from one year, I’ve watched since 1993 non stop. Every week. Can’t anymore.

i read that like you've been watching 1993 WWF round the clock. I was like, "yes! a man of culture!" :P

Agent Coulson

So reading there that the WWE are going to use the same fans they trust in the first few rows of ThunderDome week in week out as they will be the ones that won't do stupid things.

Ridley

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So reading there that the WWE are going to use the same fans they trust in the first few rows of ThunderDome week in week out as they will be the ones that won't do stupid things.

JP Liz V1

Rey vs. Seth again tonight, is this the end

Loughc

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Rey vs. Seth again tonight, is this the end

It was advertised somewhere as a final encounter match. So hopefully yes.

PTH2009

Loughc wrote: »

It was advertised somewhere as a final encounter match. So hopefully yes.

Yeah hopefully it is

Maybe starting Seth vs Murphy fued

This family ballax with Rey and Dominik is starting to grate on me

beakerjoe

I domnt get WWE booking.

Have agurably their top star, Drew, written off my Randy Orton. Only to have Orton lose in 6 minutes to a newcomer, clean.

Im all for putting Keith lee over, but this doesnt make much sense.

Thye built Randu up so much, rightly put Drew over and then they write Drew off? No logic

PTH2009

Fear bloody Corbin will show up and start a fued with Keith Lee

Ya knw how Corbin likes to pick on the new guys

CastorTroy

So with them losing the tag titles and Sasha no longer being Raw champion, does that mean we won't see Sasha and Bayley on Raw again?
Major downside of Shayna and Nia winning is now we could get Nia and all shows.

What are the odds they'll devote more time to the Universal title than at least 1 of the Raw superstars that appears? They'll show highlights from it and mention it at commentary as well as mention what's happening tis wee on Smackdown

PTH2009

Rey out injured and being replaced by Dominik and now Dominik vs Rollins will be a qualifying match for the 'triple threat Number 1 contenders match for a WWE title shot'. Other qualifying matches are Keith Lee vs Dolph Ziggler and KO vs Orton

Dominik to win and become number 1 contender

J. Marston

Lee's new music is so shíte. Screams jobber.

His old one is one of the best themes in years. It's isn't the usual the 30 second loop. He sings it, it has lyrics and is properly catchy, it's so unique. They're seriously dropping the ball by not using it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_p0w2YMyK0

JP Liz V1

https://mobile.twitter.com/WWE/status/1300586710485663744/photo/1

PTH2009

Alistair Black is better heel

Keith Lee vs Randy Orton vs winner of Rollins/Dominik for a title shot

Reys daughter yummmy

hynesie08

4 matches, 4 jumpstarts..... This is amateur hour.......

PTH2009

ha bit of a booboo for the crew there

PTH2009

Retribution are back

Lord TSC

Can't believe they broke up the Iiconics. The two hide each other's flaws so perfectly. They'll be back together within a year.

Loving the Lee push. Loved the detail that even though Randy hit him with the RKO, he trusted the Spirit Bomb more and pinned Seth. Protects Lee and puts his finisher over.

Loughc

PTH2009 wrote: »

Retribution are back

Adam Pearse is getting alot of air time these days, are they alluding to something. Randy gets his win back over Lee quick enough, but still done in a way that protects Lee somewhat.

Orton will most likely beat Drew who will be playing up the concussed angle and It'll most likely end up being Orton/Lee HITC and then Orton/Edge at Mania.

Agent Coulson

So what is the actual point to RAW Underground?

Is there prize money a belt something to actually fight for?

Also with the world in the middle of a pandemic why would wrestlers put their careers on the line in unsanctioned no rules shoot fights


I would love if.

I'm Afraid I've got some Bad News For You! I'm back for some Retribution!

CastorTroy

So Dominik gets a chance at a title shot ahead of multiple others?

"So we have so few tag teams that we have to give the belts to 2 singles stars. Maybe we should make more?" "Nah start splitting exiting teams up"
Remember they started a feud between them before but then stopped?

Think that Retribution appearance near the end confirms Mia is definitely a member, unless she was just playing the role this week.

Marina Shafir just back from a summer vacation to a desert somewhere?

J. Marston

They're pushing the wrong Iconic.

PTH2009

J. Marston wrote: »

They're pushing the wrong Iconic.

christ Whatculture podcast will be unberable

J. Marston

PTH2009 wrote: »

christ Whatculture podcast will be unberable

?

Agent Coulson

J. Marston wrote: »

?

Whatculture guys have a fixation for the iconics.

CastorTroy

Which one are they pushing? Peyton?

Agent Coulson

The one that's married to Spears.

PTH2009

J. Marston wrote: »

?

One of the guys keeps shouting 'ICONIC' and its bloody irritating

beakerjoe

PTH2009 wrote: »

One of the guys keeps shouting 'ICONIC' and its bloody irritating

Dont they both do that?

Better as a team, as Lord stated they hide eachothers plaws. Why the need to split them?

Lord TSC

beakerjoe wrote: »

Why the need to split them?

Vince has openly stated he sees Royce as a singles star, possibly as the top woman in the company. You can see they started shaping her to that end more recently; dying the hair, the bodybuilding competitions, etc.

What I think is hilarious is these "The team needs to split" stipulations that apparently means they can't even be friends any more. Ok, they cant operate as a tag team. Keep Kay as a manager for Royce then. Best of both worlds.

Kay was by far the more charismatic; if you think of their catchphrases and memes, it's usually Kay saying them. She'll hopefully get paired with someone else. She's said she's happy to be a valet too.

Ridley

Lord TSC wrote: »

Loving the Lee push. Loved the detail that even though Randy hit him with the RKO, he trusted the Spirit Bomb more and pinned Seth. Protects Lee and puts his finisher over.

Rollins and Orton were on good form that night. That "ahHA!" from Rollins when he finally got Keithly in a headlock like he'd cracked the code and now victory was inevitable.

---

1/ Retribution should not look like Tozawa's ninjas.
2/ One of the groups should change their look.
3/ If you're going go to with being Japanese for a gimmick, Tozawa Rangers is right there.

This moment 16 to 20 seconds in is easily my favourite part of Raw though:

Tozawa chauffeuring his own entourage is a great bit of characterisation.

CastorTroy

That reminded me, you'd think by now that the WWE superstars would recognise a ref without relying on seeing the shirt.

I'm waiting for a showdown between the ninjas and Retribution

ThePott

What a weird Raw.

Such an arbitrary decision and stipulation to just break up the Iiconics out of nowhere. It's a shame, I like them and considering the shortage of women's tag teams brekaign up one of the few legit ones you have is just odd.

Totally in for another Mickie James/Asuka match on the other hand.

Retribution and Raw Underground at this point are just duds. There's clearly no end goal for any of them and as soon as Rertibution are unveiled I doubt they'll even be featured that often. They're not even interrupting important stuff anymore and are now apparently sticking to Raw.

Randy/Drew again, okay then.
Wondering where Dominik goes from here.

The White Wolf

It's pretty crap that Drew's reign will likely end to serve another storyline. Fcuk me they should hang their heads in shame. Does anyone really want to see Orton and Edge feud over the title in 2020?

Loughc

ThePott wrote: »

Wondering where Dominik goes from here.

Off to the performance centre hopefully.

Loughc

The White Wolf wrote: »

Does anyone really want to see Orton and Edge feud over the title in 2020?

Nope.

Thankfully they will feud for the title in 2021.

The White Wolf

Loughc wrote: »

Nope.

Thankfully they will feud for the title in 2021.

Now now sir no need to be getting thick. :pac: I'm aware Edge is out injured but we all know this is who Randy will ultimately face and drop the title to.

beakerjoe

The White Wolf wrote: »

It's pretty crap that Drew's reign will likely end to serve another storyline. Fcuk me they should hang their heads in shame. Does anyone really want to see Orton and Edge feud over the title in 2020?

Its hardly a bad sign for Drew. Hes done massively well since being champ despite the pandemic, hes been booked strong and protected and has done his best with whats been given to him.

Orton has been WWEs MVP this year. Further proof a motivated Orton is fantastic. Him and Edge have the feud of the year and I wouldnt mind seeing another match for the title

Agent Coulson

Will Dominik and Roman fued over who has the best chest protector at some stage.

CastorTroy

Going by last night's Raw, did Aleister Black get a massive face tattoo? Looks to go from his eye to his neck