Journalism and cycling

Tenzor07

Incoming enemy fire!

http://www.thejournal.ie/parking-cycle-lane-4090878-Jun2018/

Borderfox

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Incoming enemy fire!

http://www.thejournal.ie/parking-cycle-lane-4090878-Jun2018/

"It’s a health and safety issue as cyclists will be killed and injured due to lack of space on our old roads. If a driver has a choice of hitting an oncoming car, bus, truck or hit the cyclist in case of accident- the cyclist will be hit. Self preservation is a human instinct and cyclists will continue to be injured when there is only room for 2 lanes of traffic. Irresponsible of parents risking their kids lives by letting them cycle on our roads. Ask people who have lost their kids to accidents on bikes."

How do you even reply to this one??

Pinch Flat

Again the journal never disappoints. Cycle lanes article - lots of the usual “road tax”, insurance and hi vis comments. Generally negative.

Flick down the page and read the story about someone mounting the pavement in a car injuring several people. Barely a comment.

Edit - been pointed out below that the driver had a heart attack. Bad example on my part.

ted1

loyatemu wrote: »

how does this pay per km thing work - what's to stop me throwing the bike onto the train and getting off a stop early and cycling the rest of the way into the office?

Ethics.

Weepsie

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Again the journal never disappoints. Cycle lanes article - lots of the usual “road tax”, insurance and hi vis comments. Generally negative.

Flick down the page and read the story about someone mounting the pavement in a car injuring several people. Barely a comment.

The driver had a heart attack in that instance so that some pretty poor taste on your part

Pinch Flat

Weepsie wrote: »

The driver had a heart attack in that instance so that some pretty poor taste on your part

Ok didn’t realise that. Hope he/ she’s okay.

That comment aside, the hysteria generated by cycling articles generally trump the ones where a driver is negligent and causes and accident. Speeding or drunk driving for example.

rubadub

Borderfox wrote: »

Irresponsible of parents risking their kids lives by letting them cycle on our roads. Ask people who have lost their kids to accidents on bikes."

How do you even reply to this one??

You ask them if they themselves have admonished their own irresponsible parents for letting them cycle on roads when they were children, likely without a helmet, utter madness. If they deny they were every allowed ask if they have admonished uncles, aunties any relations or friends who did so. If they further deny this then they have effectively declared themselves to be a lying cnut to all other readers

-they can think themselves smart for the denial, itching for you to call them liars so they can say "how dare you, you cannot prove it", but they look like hypocritical morons, everybody knows they are lying assholes.

Must be a proper word for this tactic.

Thinkingaboutit

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Again the journal never disappoints. Cycle lanes article - lots of the usual “road tax”, insurance and hi vis comments. Generally negative.

Flick down the page and read the story about someone mounting the pavement in a car injuring several people. Barely a comment.

Edit - been pointed out below that the driver had a heart attack. Bad example on my part.

Reading journal.ie comments is scientifically proven to cause a 5 point drop in IQ every 10 minutes. :pac:

tomasrojo

rubadub wrote: »

Must be a proper word for this tactic.

Socratic dialogue?

magicbastarder

with a caveat that it's a repeat, the eco eye program about cycling is on RTE1 at 7:30pm.

Glass Prison 1214

magicbastarder wrote: »

with a caveat that it's a repeat, the eco eye program about cycling is on RTE1 at 7:30pm.

I thought it was quite good. All positive.

check_six

Deedsie wrote: »

https://www.tipperarystar.ie/news/home/320598/tipperary-accident-cyclist-injured-in-early-morning-incident-outside-nenagh.html


It was the suns fault apparently

Year or two ago there was someone claiming similar sun blaming after running over someone on a North-bound road. Nonsense in that case. Even if true it would merely be shockingly negligent.

Macy0161

check_six wrote: »

Year or two ago there was someone claiming similar sun blaming after running over someone on a North-bound road. Nonsense in that case. Even if true it would merely be shockingly negligent.

I think there was a case in Mayo and the driver basically got off. Blinding sun should be the same as thick fog - slow right down to a distance you can see*.

*this seems to be totally gone from motorist mindsets. "Came around a bend and could barely stop (or hit someone) because of a tractor/ cyclist/ horse/ pedestrian (delete as applicable)". It was one of the main principles I was taught when learning to drive!

plodder

Deedsie wrote: »

https://www.tipperarystar.ie/news/home/320598/tipperary-accident-cyclist-injured-in-early-morning-incident-outside-nenagh.html


It was the suns fault apparently

The sun is a lot higher in the sky this time of year. Even at 7:30am it is still around 20 degrees above the horizon. So, hopefully, the gardai don't just accept that BS without checking it out. Not that it should be an excuse for hitting a cyclist in any circumstance.

Grassey

http://www.thejournal.ie/cyclist-knocked-down-dublin-city-centre-4103832-Jul2018/

A CYCLIST HAS been taken to hospital after being knocked down by a truck in Dublin city centre.

It happened on Usher’s Quay outbound at around 12.45 this afternoon.

mloc123

Grassey wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/cyclist-knocked-down-dublin-city-centre-4103832-Jul2018/

At least they didn't phrase it as "cyclist collides with truck"

monument

Macy0161 wrote: »

I think there was a case in Mayo and the driver basically got off. Blinding sun should be the same as thick fog - slow right down to a distance you can see*.

*this seems to be totally gone from motorist mindsets. "Came around a bend and could barely stop (or hit someone) because of a tractor/ cyclist/ horse/ pedestrian (delete as applicable)". It was one of the main principles I was taught when learning to drive!

http://irishcycle.com/2016/06/29/woman-blinded-by-sun-before-knocking-man-off-bicycle-found-not-guilty-of-careless-driving/

magicbastarder

saw a near miss earlier, looked like low sun being a contrinuting factor - we were stopped at a red light (pedestrian crossing) and the driver coming the other way obviously was blinded by the sun and didn't see the red. she did cop the young lad crossing on his bike just in time. gave me quite a start, had a brief moment where i thought he was a goner.

Ray Bloody Purchase

This article seems to be saying that you need a drivers licence and insurance to cycle an electric bike??

This means that, unlike some countries, electric scooters and electric bikes are regarded in the same way as motorbikes and cars in Ireland. As such, there are also illegal to use on footpaths.

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/electric-scooters-being-driven-without-insurance-could-mean-fines-or-penalty-points-for-users-gardai-warn-37071151.html

mollser

On a more positive note, the Sunday Times did a very favourable article about commuting by bike from the outer suburbs of Dublin, cutting the time in half in some cases (Tallaght). It was actually a gushing article, surprised it hasn't been picked up here. Somebody may be able to post up the article, I don't have it anymore.

magicbastarder

no surprise it was the sunday times, the editor is a keen cyclist.

tomasrojo

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

This article seems to be saying that you need a drivers licence and insurance to cycle an electric bike??



https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/electric-scooters-being-driven-without-insurance-could-mean-fines-or-penalty-points-for-users-gardai-warn-37071151.html

Think that's true, but pedelecs are treated as bicycles.

mloc123

The journal report that a 16 year old died today. He "collided" with a car on Tuesday.

JMcL

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

This article seems to be saying that you need a drivers licence and insurance to cycle an electric bike??



https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/electric-scooters-being-driven-without-insurance-could-mean-fines-or-penalty-points-for-users-gardai-warn-37071151.html

From the point of view of the law, it makes sense I guess. The scooters are entirely mechanically propelled, whereas as tomasrojo said elsewhere pedelec bikes are mechanically assisted. Wonder if the same could be said to apply to those electric unicycle things? They were all over the place in Paris a couple of months ago so can't imagine Dublin being far behind.

Quote:

If there is a message for cyclists it is to be extra
vigilant especially where it
comes to taxis and buses where people are
driving for a living and where
attention can sometimes get distracted," he
told Independent.ie

Yeah, because it is the cyclists who should be vigilant, not the professional drivers who can sometimes get distracted.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37093266.html

Muahahaha

That quote above is from one of the cyclists involved in the accident. Going by the video on the article and how he went over the taxi drivers bonnet I wouldnt be so charitable as he was in the aftermath.

magicbastarder

that was being discussed in the near misses thread.
the question is, who recorded that quote? was a journalist summoned to a relatively trivial, non-fatal accident?

Chiparus

magicbastarder wrote: »

that was being discussed in the near misses thread.
the question is, who recorded that quote? was a journalist summoned to a relatively trivial, non-fatal accident?

Same video, two different editors?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/be-extra-vigilant-warning-after-taxi-collides-with-two-cyclists-37093266.html

https://www.independent.ie/videos/video-shocking-moment-taxi-driver-cuts-across-two-cyclists-without-looking-37092875.html#play

Interesting how the spin works.

Glass Prison 1214

https://fora.ie/cycling-transport-spend-ireland-4117124-Jul2018?#ink-poll-4117124

Thought this might be worth posting here. A good way of getting our voices heard.

Grassey

Glass Prison 1214 wrote:

Thought this might be worth posting here. A good way of getting our voices heard.

Almost 400 in favour vs 26 against so far. Impressive