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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    unintended pedestrianisation and cyclisation (dunno what the correct word is) of hammersmith bridge in london:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47891838

    Every cloud, as they say.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Every cloud, as they say.

    The great thing is they can't upgrade sufficiently for at least three years. Hopefully by that time, it will be an established amenity and simply remain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,595 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    No helmet, no chance if you come a cropper on your bike https://dublingazette.com/dublinlife/cycle-wetwo-28219/ says Dublin Gazette call this a campaign in their paper edition you can see here https://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/fingal_42dbd9a92cea3f?utm_source=2019W15_subscribers&utm_campaign=Digest&utm_medium=email

    previous articles https://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/fingal_145a7764dfae2b


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭Qrt


    No helmet, no chance if you come a cropper on your bike https://dublingazette.com/dublinlife/cycle-wetwo-28219/ says Dublin Gazette call this a campaign in their paper edition you can see here https://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/fingal_42dbd9a92cea3f?utm_source=2019W15_subscribers&utm_campaign=Digest&utm_medium=email

    previous articles https://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/fingal_145a7764dfae2b

    Yer man Neale Richmond was banging on about it on twitter too. If I’m wedged between two buses, a helmet is not going to help me feel safer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,069 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    No helmet, no chance if you come a cropper on your bike https://dublingazette.com/dublinlife/cycle-wetwo-28219/ says Dublin Gazette call this a campaign in their paper edition you can see here https://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/fingal_42dbd9a92cea3f?utm_source=2019W15_subscribers&utm_campaign=Digest&utm_medium=email

    previous articles https://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/fingal_145a7764dfae2b

    one of the opinions from Joe Public on it at the end of the article...

    "yes, the roads are getting a lot more violent, the deaths caused on them are pretty serious"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭blackwhite




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    Duckjob wrote: »

    Really, police detectors shouldn't be necessary; insurance companies should be requiring people to keep mobile phones on silent and in the glove compartment when they're driving, and using an engine- or handbrake-linked technology to enforce this. If it took a big slice off your insurance, it would be a popular choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Rechuchote wrote: »
    Really, police detectors shouldn't be necessary; insurance companies should be requiring people to keep mobile phones on silent and in the glove compartment when they're driving, and using an engine- or handbrake-linked technology to enforce this. If it took a big slice off your insurance, it would be a popular choice.

    Trouble with that IMO is that it's all carrot where at this point, with the situation as it is on our roads, some serious stick is first required before carrot can be offered.


    People have forgotten, and need to be reminded that the pink slip of card in their pocket represents a contract. When they were granted the privilege to drive, it came with T&Cs and which are that they give drive to the best of their ability and give the highest priority to the safety of themselves and everyone else on the road. If that privilege starts to be instantly revoked for dangerous behaviour like phone use, then people will quickly start to sit up and pay attention.

    It's like if you were a schoolteacher and had a classroom of pupils shouting, fighting and climbing over the desks, you wouldnt try to shush them to tell them there's no homework for anyone that sits down in their desk. It's too low a bar to set, according to the behaviour level. Instead, you address the serious misbehaviour with serious consequences. When that misbehaviour has been weeded out by all means raise the bar with incentives for specific achievements.

    Right now, our road users (collectively, all groups) are that class of out-of-control children.

    Aside from that, although that dogs in the street can see that rise in phone use behind the wheel has led to an lack of attention and increase in collisions, I doubt the insurance companies have much actual statistical data to go on which to offer discounts (probably in a lot of cases the phone use goes undetected). So I doubt if they will be willing to take a slice off their premiums for something if they dont have statistics to back it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,327 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Duckjob wrote: »

    Badly needed but I have major doubts about the technology. How can it distinguish between an app doing a background update - say FB checking for new notifications - and the driver manually operating the app.

    And I doubt their Bluetooth exclusion will be reliable either.

    A bit like the old TV detector van of old. It's a scare tactic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭mollser


    Every day this week I've missed lights cos of dimwits on the phone and not paying attention. Just put the feckin things away when you're in the car ffs, or even more generally really. They're a curse!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,095 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    If AGS just let us upload video of drivers doing it and digitally sign a statement cyclists could easily provide a few hundred FCPNs a week. The TW procedure is too slow.

    Or just, like, maybe a few gardai would get out of their cars. No wait, that'll never happen. Forget it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 489 ✭✭the world wonders


    Cyclist awarded €64K after bike 'slipped on road with excess sealant'
    ...
    Finding both Tipperary County Council and Roadstone Wood Ltd liable, the judge said it seemed to the court they accepted evidence put forward on behalf of Mr Kearney there was faulty workmanship in terms of the original work on the road and the repair.
    ...
    good for him, encouraging precedent


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,182 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that's an interesting development, i do recall a chap whose daughter was killed (a non-cycling accident) in mayo i think, and it turns out the road had been resurfaced, but not with a top dressing grade, but was left as is. i certainly don't recall any hint that he tried/was able to sue.

    i wonder if ambulance chasers will be salivating at the notion that everyone who loses control of a car will now try to find a flaw in the road surface rather than it being blamed on their own driving.
    though i guess here the basis for the claim was an act of comission rather than one of omission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    More interesting is why they decided to fight this, usually these are settled out of court.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    No helmet, no chance if you come a cropper on your bike https://dublingazette.com/dublinlife/cycle-wetwo-28219/ says Dublin Gazette call this a campaign in their paper edition you can see here https://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/fingal_42dbd9a92cea3f?utm_source=2019W15_subscribers&utm_campaign=Digest&utm_medium=email

    one of the "vox pops"
    Yes, for their own protection helmets should be compulsory. And it's peace of mind for the motorists that they (cyclists) will not get injured
    this is the main reason I feel safer not wearing a helmet when commuting.

    A few months ago I had a loon screaming at me for "cycling on the footpath", I was on a cycletrack. Soon after he swerved in at me presumably to "teach me a lesson", I wonder if he would have come closer if I was wearing a helmet, could be one of those thinking I "would not get injured".

    I remember a guy who was bullied a lot in school was the first to get a helmet, bullies loosened his front wheel and he had a crash. I have no doubt they only did this thinking he would be grand if he crashed. Those bullies are likely now driving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    that's an interesting development, i do recall a chap whose daughter was killed (a non-cycling accident) in mayo i think, and it turns out the road had been resurfaced, but not with a top dressing grade, but was left as is. i certainly don't recall any hint that he tried/was able to sue.

    i wonder if ambulance chasers will be salivating at the notion that everyone who loses control of a car will now try to find a flaw in the road surface rather than it being blamed on their own driving.
    though i guess here the basis for the claim was an act of comission rather than one of omission.

    There is nothing new in this case. Local authorities and their contractors have been found liable countless times over the years.

    Not sure why an injured motorist qualifies as an ambulance chaser but cyclist gets a free pass.

    The reason it didn't settle are probably to do with other reasons than a technical liability argument; Plaintiff was looking for too much, Defendants couldn't agree, there are a load of similar claims and they used this as a test case, the money man was on a day off and solicitor couldn't get instructions etc etc


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,182 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There is nothing new in this case. Local authorities and their contractors have been found liable countless times over the years.

    Not sure why an injured motorist qualifies as an ambulance chaser but cyclist gets a free pass.
    i did not know there were precedents for motorists claiming similar, i thought the general rule was that the driver is ultimately responsible for driving to the conditions, even if that includes poor road surfaces.

    and the ambulance chaser comment was about the law firms who would take on spurious cases, rather than the drivers themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    i did not know there were precedents for motorists claiming similar, i thought the general rule was that the driver is ultimately responsible for driving to the conditions, even if that includes poor road surfaces.

    and the ambulance chaser comment was about the law firms who would take on spurious cases, rather than the drivers themselves.


    Many years ago, I claimed from Meath County Council for damage to an alloy wheel on my car. My wheel was damaged when I drove into a badly repaired pothole. There was no way, that I could have seen the pothole and I was able to prove that it had been improperly repaired.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    i did not know there were precedents for motorists claiming similar, i thought the general rule was that the driver is ultimately responsible for driving to the conditions, even if that includes poor road surfaces.

    and the ambulance chaser comment was about the law firms who would take on spurious cases, rather than the drivers themselves.

    Lots of people have recoeved compensation for damage to vehicles due to potholes for example.
    https://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/advice/pothole-damage-how-to-claim


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Lots of people have recoeved compensation for damage to vehicles due to potholes for example.
    https://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/advice/pothole-damage-how-to-claim

    Pothole claims are misfeance; the repair was substandard.

    Claims for defective surfaces are primarily on basis that the construction work/road building was not in compliance with code; using aggregate with too low PSV, inadequate road texture depth, etc etc

    There's a reason local authorities keep these types of company very busy

    http://www.pms.ie/home/4567161770


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭zurbfoundation


    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/prisoner-compensation-bike-crash/

    Trying to figure out why such an emphasis is being placed on the victims criminal past, current incarceration and drug addiction. These all get mentioned in the report before any details of the accident are written about. As much is written about the details of a past crime as the accident in queation itself.

    If this website wanted to do a piece about a cyclist compo case, why not the previously mentioned one in Tipperary where the lad slipped on the frosty fresh tar. The award was over 3 times higher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Whatever about the character of the complainant, the value of compo awards in Ireland is insane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,327 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Pothole claims are misfeance; the repair was substandard.

    Claims for defective surfaces are primarily on basis that the construction work/road building was not in compliance with code; using aggregate with too low PSV, inadequate road texture depth, etc etc

    There's a reason local authorities keep these types of company very busy

    http://www.pms.ie/home/4567161770
    What is the Code in question? Is there any standard for smoothness or levelness of a road repair?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    They really need to follow suit of France (I think) where small injuries that are covered under the HSE are simply not getting a pay out, end of.


    Christ, quick google indicates a sprained wrist could reap over 25K in a payout. That is insanity,


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,182 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Lots of people have recoeved compensation for damage to vehicles due to potholes for example.
    https://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/advice/pothole-damage-how-to-claim
    yep, to vehicles; i was curious as to how many people have received damages for injuries sustained, or how many accidents have been laid at the foot of the councils or subcontractors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭zurbfoundation


    I get that / but the owner of the sprained wrist isnt having personal details irrelevent to the case as the main meat of the story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    What is the Code in question? Is there any standard for smoothness or levelness of a road repair?

    http://www.dttas.ie/roads/publications/english/guidelines-managing-openings-public-roads-2017

    That's specifically dealing with reinstatements.

    On general major road building "The design manual for roads and bridges" is the main core reference. It's a copy and paste of UK guidance


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I get that / but the owner of the sprained wrist isnt having personal details irrelevent to the case as the main meat of the story.
    It's click bait, it adds a bit of outrage to the easily annoyed that someone they feel is less deserving of a payout, gets a payout. Nothing else. They'd get less click baits if the report was injured person gets payout after hit and run. Victim was middle aged, no criminal record and most people who have met them describe him as an all round nice guy. He himself said he felt guilty that the amount was so large as all he wanted was money for the few days off work and a new front wheel but when he said this, the solicitor said he wouldn't take it unless it was a personal injury claim.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,327 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Thanks. They seem to be more about the process and materials to be used than any particular standard or outcome, as far as I can see. There doesn't seem to be any particular measure of how smooth or level any given reinstatement has to be. Or am I missing something?


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