A solution to immigration

Mr. teddywinkles

Does anyone gave figures of how many Irish work in Poland?

VinLieger

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

When Irish people overstay their visa in the United States, they are 'undocumented'.

They believe that their position is very special, possibly because they are white and speak English.

They are as illegal as any Haitian or Guatamalan.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If we want to remove illegal immigrants from Ireland, we will have to accept the same treatment from other countries.

Not sure what all that has to do with the UK wanting to document legally working foreigners?

Pherekydes

VinLieger wrote: »

Sounds to me we also need a list of foreigners in relationships with Irish people now.

Anyone any other ideas for lists?

A list of Irish people in relationships with foreigners?

OldNotWIse

HensVassal wrote: »

It's their fucking money, they can do what the hell they like with it. "Taking it out of the country!!"
So what do you propose regarding the millions that is taken out of the country by Irish tourists each year and spent abroad? Maybe you should tell them that they can't take any money to Orlando or Thailand or wherever and that they should work once they get to their resort so they can buy a cocktail or a burger.
What about the money coming into the country from Irish abroad? Should that be all sent back as well as the money foreign tourists bring in?
You going to start ripping open what look like birthday cards at the Post Office now just to see if Mrs Murphy is sending 20 quid to little grand-daughter Molly in Surrey?

Inane post.

And what about all the Irish senior citizens growing old disgracefully and spending their pensions on the costa blanca?! :P

The Backwards Man

Listen, we need a list of all the lists, so we know what list to list people on.

VinLieger

Pherekydes wrote: »

A list of Irish people in relationships with foreigners?

I like your out of the box thinking

Winterlong

And we need a list of people buying foreign products.

Should be buying irish made Cars, TVs, Phones only...

biko

I had a tin can telephone growing up, all homemade like

HensVassal

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't think the OP was implying that immigrants were "creaming the system".

What I read into it was that many of them work hard and save, but don't spend a lot of their earnings here, instead send them home.

That is borne out by the article quoted in my previous post.

And what about Irish people who work and don't spend but squirrel it all away forever?
What about Irish people who work and live like monks for 10 months out of the year and then take their savings and blow the lot for 2 months in Rio or Thailand?

learn_more

If they keep sending money abroad does that mean eventually there will be no money left in Ireland ?

reklamos

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't think the OP was implying that immigrants were "creaming the system".

What I read into it was that many of them work hard and save, but don't spend a lot of their earnings here, instead send them home.

That is borne out by the article quoted in my previous post.

If they work here they still pay taxes unlike some locals living on the dole most of their lives because they are too posh to work. What is their contribution to the economy?

JJEire

Proportionately, immigrants are more reliant on handouts from the state than Irish people.

There were almost 80,000 unemployed non nationals in Ireland last year, up from some 30,000 in 2006.
According to the CSO the rate of unemployment among non Irish people in 2011 was 22 percent compared with a rate of 18.5 percent among Irish people.

Nigerians had the highest unemployment rate amongst non nationals at 39 per cent while nationals from the Nordic countries had the lowest rates.

The extent of the unemployment crisis within the immigrant community in Ireland is revealed in statistics secured by the Sunday Independent, which show that 25 per cent of Polish nationals between the ages of 15 and 64 are on the dole.

The issue of unemployment levels within the immigrant community emerged when, responding to queries in Castlebar District Court about the existence of a Polish charity in Ireland, Judge Devins remarked: "A Polish charity? There is. It's called the social welfare."

Of the 98,318 people who languished on the social housing waiting list in 2011, 71% comprised Irish citizens, while 20% were EU citizens, and 9% were non-EU nationals.

The research shows that Black African, Ethnic Minority EU and EU New Member State groups fare worse than other national-ethnic groups in terms of both objective labour market outcomes (e.g. employment and unemployment)

VinLieger

JJEire wrote: »

Proportionately, immigrants are more reliant on handouts from the state than Irish people.

Wouldnt have anything to do with direct provision would it?

Also in Britain proportionately immigrants are less reliant on handouts from the state than British people.

JJEire

So is my partner. (who incidentally OP, worked on a student visa initially and was not allowed to work more than 20 hours a week, and held down a job where she was paid 9000 a year, a job she had to get two buses to and two buses home from, when a high percentage of Irish adults were getting around 700euro a year more than her (excluding benefits) and not working a single hour)

What skilled visa did she obtain to stay here or was she here "studying English"? Otherwise, there are plenty of EU and Irish students who could have taken that job. No need to be taking in non EU citizens for roles where we don't have a labour shortage.

Arthur.beaker

Who will fill the Toilet Attendant roles?

JJEire

Less than 3k adults are in direct provision.

OldNotWIse

JJEire wrote: »

What skilled visa did she obtain to stay here or was she here "studying English"? Otherwise, there are plenty of EU and Irish students who could have taken that job. No need to be taking in non EU citizens for roles where we don't have a labour shortage.

No actually, it's a skilled job as is her current role, and she had as much entitlement to apply for it as anyone else. But by all means be as casually racist as you want. Also, why is "studying English" in quotation marks? Care to explain? How else do you think someone can come to Ireland with no English and then miraculously after a year can speak it? Osmosis?

OldNotWIse

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Who will fill the Toilet Attendant roles?

The elitist Irish and EU citizens who have had their jobs and women stolen by them durty foreigners?

Kivaro

JJEire wrote: »

Less than 3k adults are in direct provision.

They must have a superb standard of living then as over a quarter of a billion euros (€251,000,000) was paid by Irish tax payers over five years for direct provision.

ThinkProgress

I've worked alongside many migrants in the past - some of the hardest working folk I've ever met.

If you're prepared to work some of the worst jobs out there, for rubbish pay, saving most of your money and living on next to nothing for years... all because you want a better life in the future. As Rocky would say: "who's got the right to stop you?"

Annasopra

Kivaro wrote: »

They must have a superb standard of living then as over a quarter of a billion euros (€251,000,000) was paid by Irish tax payers over five years for direct provision.

The companies providing it make that money

JJEire

No actually, it's a skilled job as is her current role, and she had as much entitlement to apply for it as anyone else. But by all means be as casually racist as you want. Also, why is "studying English" in quotation marks? Care to explain? How else do you think someone can come to Ireland with no English and then miraculously after a year can speak it? Osmosis?

As huge numbers of non EU students come here to study English and the route is basically a visa farm. They use it as a route to get in as they do not qualify for skilled work visas. Dozens of "schools" have been closed in the last year or two as the government have started to clamp down upon this.

If a non EU citizen is skilled let them apply for a skilled work permit. Otherwise, dont allow them in.

OldNotWIse

JJEire wrote: »

As huge numbers of non EU students come here to study English and the route is basically a visa farm. They use it as a route to get in as they do not qualify for skilled work visas. Dozens of "schools" have been closed in the last year or two as the government have started to clamp down upon this.

If a non EU citizen is skilled let them apply for a skilled work permit. Otherwise, dont allow them in.

Generalise much? You have no idea what we had to go through for her to get a visa so don't even get me started on that. I've more than had my fill of racism, bureaucracy and red tape. Not that it's any of your business but she was the right person for the job because she met the language requirements precisely because of where she comes from. But I understand this might be news to you since you are clearly living in a Caucasian, elitist utopia.


My partner has never taken a penny off the state. She paid more than twice what an EU student would pay for her masters. She has worked, paid tax and PRSI, runs a car, pays rent and contributes to society. All she has done has been a positive rather than a negative, but of course that doesn't matter because she was born outside the golden gates of Europe.

dav3

JJEire wrote: »

As huge numbers of non EU students come here to study English and the route is basically a visa farm. They use it as a route to get in as they do not qualify for skilled work visas. Dozens of "schools" have been closed in the last year or two as the government have started to clamp down upon this.

If a non EU citizen is skilled let them apply for a skilled work permit. Otherwise, dont allow them in.

Is it really worth your while re-regging and continually posting the same s**t over and over again? Surely you must have better things to be doing with your time.
Take a look around the forum. People have bigger things to worry about and there are far more important issues concerning people than some imaginary problem with immigration that doesn't exist.

Arthur.beaker

OldNotWIse wrote: »

The elitist Irish and EU citizens who have had their jobs and women stolen by them durty foreigners?

Or the unnecessary phenomenon will disappear. I don't recall ever seeing toilet attendants in these places before mass immigration from Africa. Perhaps I am wrong?

JJEire

"You have no idea what we had to go through for her to get a visa so don't even get me started on that."

I'm well aware of the visa process. You claimed that she was highly skilled and on a student visa. If she was as highly skilled as you claim, then the company would have been able to go through the critical skills employment permit process or get her a general employment permit.

"Not that it's any of your business"

It's absolutely my business when people take advantage of my country's immigration policies.

" But I understand this might be news to you since you are clearly living in a Caucasian, elitist utopia."

What?

"but of course that doesn't matter because she was born outside the golden gates of Europe."

What country is she from? I guarantee that an EU citizen cannot enter that country on a language student visa and legally work. Guarantee it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with ensuring that those from outside of the EU who come here are taking up employment that our labour market cannot fill. We have a labour pool of some 500 million EU citizens. No need to be taking in non EU citizens unless they're highly skilled.

JJEire

Oh, and unless someone is earning over €35 grand and being taxed accordingly, they're probably not a financial benefit. The country doesn't run on fresh air.

frag420

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

should we check it twice?

Yes, you check the nice girls and il "Czech" the naughty girls...

OldNotWIse

JJEire wrote: »

"You have no idea what we had to go through for her to get a visa so don't even get me started on that."

I'm well aware of the visa process. You claimed that she was highly skilled and on a student visa. If she was as highly skilled as you claim, then the company would have been able to go through the critical skills employment permit process or get her a general employment permit.

"Not that it's any of your business"

It's absolutely my business when people take advantage of my country's immigration policies.

" But I understand this might be news to you since you are clearly living in a Caucasian, elitist utopia."

What?

"but of course that doesn't matter because she was born outside the golden gates of Europe."

What country is she from? I guarantee that an EU citizen cannot enter that country on a language student visa and legally work. Guarantee it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with ensuring that those from outside of the EU who come here are taking up employment that our labour market cannot fill. We have a labour pool of some 500 million EU citizens. No need to be taking in non EU citizens unless they're highly skilled.

You really do sound very bitter and twisted. What's the matter, did you get passed up for a job in favour of someone who is not Irish?

Taking advantage of "your" country's policies? Everything was above board, unless you are implying that she scammed the system, which she did not.

ps

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1007/822073-international-students-ireland/

Have a good weekend. Hope the unskilled dirty immigrants don't ruin it for you. Also hope your unsubstantiated hatred for non-Europeans doesn't eat away at you too much. I'll be out socializing with my working and tax paying partner, and enjoying the diverse and multicultural country that I am proud to call home.
Bye bye, I'm unfollowing your thinly veiled racist rants.

jmayo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

apparently, the 16,500-strong Nigerian community was by far the largest remitter, sending home a deeply questionable €366 million, close to a staggering €22,000 a head. (Can anyone explain?)[/I]

Maybe their long lost uncles are looking for some of their money back ?

biko wrote: »

The best solution - only allow hot chicks to immigrate. I volunteer to oversee the vetting.

Fuzzytrooper wrote: »

My wife is an immigrant.

biko wants to know if she has been vetted

Also check if she is sending home all your money.

biko wrote: »

I had a tin can telephone growing up, all homemade like

Well at least I bet it didn't go on fire.

JJEire

Yes, I read that earlier.

Of the 37,000 students policymakers hope to attract to Ireland, a minority – about 10,500 – will include students and researchers at third level.

The bulk of additional students who policymakers hope to attract – about 26,500 – are those attending English language schools.

The majority of them will be non EU English language students. A route that is already being widely abused.

As for your accusations of racism; name one European country that allows Non EU citizens come to study English/their language and legally work? Does your partners country allow Irish citizens go there to study their language and legally work?

All of the answers to the above will be no. Are they all racist too?

It's ridiculous that we allow English language students from outside of the EU work and all I'm doing is calling for us to follow other countries policies. There's also nothing racist about calling for non EU citizens to be skilled in areas we lack before being granted residency here. This is the way it is in every sane country and we have a visa process set up for this. A process that is easily bypassed due to all the loopholes available.

"enjoying the diverse and multicultural country that I am proud to call home."

A minute ago it was filled with "elitist Caucasians". Now it's a Multicultural and diverse utopia!

You're all over the shop and clearly not stable and too emotional when discussing this issue. The fact is that your partner came here to learn English as we are dumb enough to allow non EU citizens work and are seen as a soft touch. This has been going on for over a decade and even the dogs on the street know the score.

UP to 10,000 foreign nationals are working here illegally after entering the country on bogus student visas, the Irish Independent has learned.

They represent almost one in three of the students who come here from outside the EU.

Oh, and thanks for answering my questions put to you. I guess it's much easier to shout racist and lie instead.

Kivaro

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The companies providing it make that money

That's an odd statement; you make it sound like the Irish companies take in this colossal sum of money with nothing in return.
Is any of this Irish tax payer provided 1/4 Billion Euros used to provide services, healthcare, food, education etc. for the direct provision recipients?