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Irish cyclists looking for a €1b investment? - note stay on-topic warning, post #160
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You may have said that in jest (maybe you were serious, but the smiley suggested otherwise
), but there is at least one similar construction in Dublin on a more macro scale (i.e. for a bus lane) where that is precisely the intention: https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3260421,-6.3584528,3a,75y,288.67h,83.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjY1zu1yEijXaHgMLUET8fw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
So that interpretation may not be as far from the truth as it seems!magicbastarder wrote: »that'd be an interesting one in court, true.
unlike the bus lane cython links to, there's a pedestrian crossing there, so it clearly wasn't the same intention.
there are certain junctions where you can do that but that one in particular has a (almost faded out) solid white line across the cycle lane as well as the driving lane so I would assume you are required to stop...0 -
What single lane is this? West St? You could hardly say the same about the bridge of peace and a dual carriageway running alongside the central river.Drogheda is a good one.
A single lane through the centre of the town that is inexplicably busy, given that most shops on the street are shut up.
The two retail parks and closeness to the Pavillions have gutted the town centre.
There are two shopping centres in the town with plenty of empty units
Drogheda is abnormally car-dependent, even by dismal Irish norms. The nature of the town centre makes it exceptionally hard to drive there, and people will simply drive elsewhere.
The body politic has no interesting in joining the dots, and many people find it easier to move around the "suburbs" on any mode of transport instead of going to the centre. It's a disaster
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It is, and there's all sorts of reasons why. Toll doesn't help in general, what public transport there is can't function on narrow roads everywhere.Drogheda is a choca block town.
Technically you're correct, 5 unsynced traffic lights on just over 1km of a dual carriageway. Unfortunately you're still stuck on single lane roads no matter where you go, so it's use as a DC is redundant since whatever time you made up is lost when you have to funnel back to a single lane
The tragedy is that apart from syncing lights, there's almost nothing that can be done to help traffic directly, without some significant cost. The traffic light situation at St. Mary's bridge already severely compromises pedestrian safety and any national guidelines on the subject. Providing access to the other side of the bridge, or the estate agent at the corner (near where Eddie Rockets is) would make the traffic situation worse again.
But what's there right now is frankly a serious hazard, and the fact the only new bicycle lane in Drogheda on existing roads is on an extremely wide s2 road... Don't get me started 0 -
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No, I'm not aware of 10 towns where bypasses caused towns to die or where a bypass caused the residents to flood to cities to get work. So, the question stands:
Do you know 10 towns where bypasses caused towns to die or where a bypass caused the residents to flood to cities to get work?
The RTE programme had positive and negative stories and one of the most featured negative stories was daftness. A chipper is not representative of a town or village to start with but our tastes in food and junk food have widen and there was no mention of other factors (such as: that there is now around four other fast food places which will deliver to the chipper's area and the featured chipper isn't on one of the most popular food delivery sites).
Ill have to do a bit of research to be sure on this one. I can see that you are holding me to a direct link to a bypass causing people to move to a city for work.
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/the-ballagh-bypass-safer-but-a-drain-on-a-once-thriving-town-1.1877040
The program featured many more businesses than just a chipper.Do you have proof that they were going slow? I'm near sure the council's live traffic reporting or the AA said it caused no delays.
Well it was reported they the participants "weaved slowly" and judging by the picture accompanying the article they were hardly going fast.
http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-cycle-protest-3008167-Oct2016/And how would you justify spending more on private traffic when the policy is to reduce private traffic?
Well i presume the main reasons why private traffic is to be reduced is both congestion and emissions. Perhaps promote electric cars with grants or schemes...build more carparks...add another lane to both sides of the Quays...make Dublin more freeflow???
havent really thought about it before.Data from Blackrock and along the Grand Canal route is a good indication that even half-decent quality cycle routes attracts more people, and that's backed by international research showing similar results. Some of the best international research shows having high quality networks will given an even stronger boost.
Well then if there is a heavy investment into infrastructure there should be no objection to compulsory usage for all cyclists?The other poster was suggesting park and ride as a way of considering people who live outside the reach of public transport and you're asking where's the consideration?
Toucher
But you know how bad the public transport in Dublin is...0 -
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Ill have to do a bit of research to be sure on this one. I can see that you are holding me to a direct link to a bypass causing people to move to a city for work.
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/the-ballagh-bypass-safer-but-a-drain-on-a-once-thriving-town-1.1877040
The program featured many more businesses than just a chipper.
Yeah, sure, another main shop it featured was an old-style hardware store which are dying because of the prevailing move towards larger hardware stores, often backed by their chains across regions or countries.
Bypass or no bypass, and motorway or no motorway, just a short drive down the road in Nenagh, there's a Woodie's DIY, a Homevalue Hardware, Chadwicks Builders Providers, a plumbing supply store and a few other large hardware related shops. Moneygall to Nenagh by motorway takes just 18mins but that's only 2mins faster than the regional road there before it.
Small independent shops like corner stores have died off because of overwhelming price and range competition from larger retailers. This effect was amplified in rural areas because of widespread access to cars and happens where there is no bypass or motorway.
But this is amazing -- you are normally pro-infrastructure for cars but you are arguing against one of the major benefits of motorways (freeing towns and villages of major flows of through traffic) just because it suits your arguments against freeing city centres of major flows of through traffic.Well it was reported they the participants "weaved slowly" and judging by the picture accompanying the article they were hardly going fast.
http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-cycle-protest-3008167-Oct2016/
You think traffic moves fast around Kildare Street and Leeson Street at rush hour? They started in a location which is not a main route and a very large space and they went to a similar location and ended in a third locations which isn't a main route.Well i presume the main reasons why private traffic is to be reduced is both congestion and emissions. Perhaps promote electric cars with grants or schemes...build more carparks...add another lane to both sides of the Quays...make Dublin more freeflow???
havent really thought about it before.
How can anybody take your posts seriously? Add another lane to both sides of the quays? What, by bulldozing the historic bridges and filling in or covering over part of the river or maybe by knocking down historic building and apartment buildings which combined are home to more people than some towns?Well then if there is a heavy investment into infrastructure there should be no objection to compulsory usage for all cyclists?
Anytime your point goes badly you can't just accept it and move on? Because that has nothing to do with the point you were replying to. The fact is you're arguing against heavy investment while at the same time putting pre-conditions onto heavy investment.Toucher
But you know how bad the public transport in Dublin is...
No, not "Toucher" -- I'm replying in a very matter of fact way to posts which do not make sense and overall strains of arguments which do not make sense or end up arguing against your own points.
And no, your off-the-cuff remark is wrong -- public transport is pretty decent when it has an decent level of priority and frequency (ie Luas, Dart, and a number of high-frequency bus routes... that's how park and ride would be served -- with a high-frequency and priority bus/tram/train.0 -
Ill have to do a bit of research to be sure on this one. I can see that you are holding me to a direct link to a bypass causing people to move to a city for work.
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/the-ballagh-bypass-safer-but-a-drain-on-a-once-thriving-town-1.1877040
The program featured many more businesses than just a chipper.
Well it was reported they the participants "weaved slowly" and judging by the picture accompanying the article they were hardly going fast.
http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-cycle-protest-3008167-Oct2016/
Well i presume the main reasons why private traffic is to be reduced is both congestion and emissions. Perhaps promote electric cars with grants or schemes...build more carparks...add another lane to both sides of the Quays...make Dublin more freeflow???
havent really thought about it before.
Well then if there is a heavy investment into infrastructure there should be no objection to compulsory usage for all cyclists?
Toucher
But you know how bad the public transport in Dublin is...
Your posts are idiotic. Does this fall within the "attack the posts not the poster" rule?0 -
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