How stuck for news is 'De Leader'?

The Specialist

Vanquished wrote: »

Ah yeah so what you're saying is that it's fine to completely block the cycle lane but placing the sign at the edge of the traffic lane is entirely unacceptable?

It was one sign left behind, and one that could be easily navigated safely if cyclists were paying attention. Note the article also states that he was cycling that road on June 5th & June 10th - if he was so concerned about safety, why didn't he move the sign himself the first time he saw it rather than taking his outrage to twitter?? Why didn't he notify the council the first time he saw it? There is literally a footpath directly beside where the sign is that he could have moved it to if he was that worked up over it.

source

Mc Love wrote: »

But the issue is he shouldn't have to. I'm sure if it was in the middle of the road and someone crashed into it and it caused damage to their bumper they'd be making a claim. The only difference is they wouldn't be hurt by crashing into it unlike a cyclist.

So he shouldn't have to obey the same rules that all other road users do because he's a cyclist?

Chances are, if it was between the cycle lane and the car lane, as a lot of people are advocating, it would be even more dangerous to cyclists as a slight tip off a car, truck or bus would send it into the cycling lane. A moving piece of metal for any passing cyclist to avoid is far more dangerous than one sitting at the edge of the carriageway.

phog

source wrote: »

So he shouldn't have to obey the same rules that all other road users do because he's a cyclist?

Chances are, if it was between the cycle lane and the car lane, as a lot of people are advocating, it would be even more dangerous to cyclists as a slight tip off a car, truck or bus would send it into the cycling lane. A moving piece of metal for any passing cyclist to avoid is far more dangerous than one sitting at the edge of the carriageway.

TBH, this whole thing seems to be a cyclist looking to moan about something rather have a genuine complaint.

YFlyer

What's the story with Analog? Is it the normal yearly shutdown or is it more serious due to the ban on Huawei?

Mc Love

phog wrote: »

If the obstacle was child on a trike going slower than him what would you expect the cyclist to do - crash into the kid?

All road users are expected to use as per RotR and travel at a safe speed - as far as I'm aware none of us can see around corners.

You'd leave a child on a trike on the cycle lane there? :eek:

phog wrote: »

There are guidelines to when and where roadworks signage should be placed, cyclists are road users too and the signs apply to them as much as vehicular traffic.

I don't see why some folk are advocating moving the advance notification sign onto a lane of traffic. This would seem to me to be against best practice.

Surely best practice would not to place it in the cycle lane? Couldnt you say it should be at the left of the vehicle lane?

phog wrote: »

TBH, this whole thing seems to be a cyclist looking to moan about something rather have a genuine complaint.

Well look, cyclists dont often get any infrastructure, never mind safe cycling infrastructure, so placing a sign in the middle of the cycle lane is in fact a genuine complaint as it would be if it was in the center of the lane to right.

Kenny B

Mc Love wrote: »

Well look, cyclists dont often get any infrastructure, never mind safe cycling infrastructure, so placing a sign in the middle of the cycle lane is in fact a genuine complaint as it would be if it was in the center of the lane to right.

The placement of the sign is probably a genuine complaint,

The question that someone is trying to kill him is hysterical which makes him a moron deserving to be ridiculed, any cyclist or tricyclist who backs him up is a moron by association.

phog

Mc Love wrote: »

You'd leave a child on a trike on the cycle lane there? :eek:

I would have considered is safe for a child to be supervised on a cycle lane until I read about that clown speeding around bends and having near misses with a "warning" sign.

Would you not think something like the cycle bus should be free to use cycle lanes at the sped they travel or should they keep off to allow faster cyclists speed along the lane?

Surely best practice would not to place it in the cycle lane? Couldnt you say it should be at the left of the vehicle lane?

If the roadworks didn't involve the cycle lane then maybe but as I've already stated I haven't completed a course on placing roadworks signs so I'm not entirely sure what is the correct procedure for placing these signs.

Well look, cyclists dont often get any infrastructure, never mind safe cycling infrastructure, so placing a sign in the middle of the cycle lane is in fact a genuine complaint as it would be if it was in the center of the lane to right.

Only if it's placed there against what the legal requirements are but even then the cyclist has to cycle in a manner that is both safe to himself and other road users.

Vanquished

I think it's very telling that the cyclist is lampooned and ridiculed for apparently not being able to anticipate the presence of a roadworks sign slap bang in the middle of a cycle lane. But motorists clipping and knocking the sign over is just regarded as no big deal!!

In actual fact I would regard that as highly inept and incompetent driving and should raise major concerns over a drivers judgement, lane awareness and road positioning sense. Driving beside and in close proximity to traffic cones, barriers etc is quite a normal occurrence and if motorists can't drive safely and competently in their vicinity then they're not fit to be behind the wheel.

Kenny B

Vanquished wrote: »

But motorists clipping and knocking the sign over is just regarded as no big deal!!

I would view them as morons also, whether more or less than the speeding lecturer who was endangering kids who just want to cycle safely, I can't decide.

Mc Love

phog wrote: »

I would have considered is safe for a child to be supervised on a cycle lane until I read about that clown speeding around bends and having near misses with a "warning" sign.

I think you would change your tune if you cycled the route or any route that doesnt have segregated cycle infrastructure in the city. I wouldnt be letting my children cycle on the road or any road in the city, supervised or not. Cycle Bus aside, it is well organised and marshalled to allow kids to safely cycle to school

The Specialist

Vanquished wrote: »

I think it's very telling that the cyclist is lampooned and ridiculed for apparently not being able to anticipate the presence of a roadworks sign slap bang in the middle of a cycle lane. But motorists clipping and knocking the sign over is just regarded as no big deal!!

In actual fact I would regard that as highly inept and incompetent driving and should raise major concerns over a drivers judgement, lane awareness and road positioning sense. Driving beside and in close proximity to traffic cones, barriers etc is quite a normal occurrence and if motorists can't drive safely and competently in their vicinity then they're not fit to be behind the wheel

But incompetent and wreckless cyclists who don’t understand the rules of the road are grand, just carry on lads cos it’s only a bicycle? Drivers can have a license revoked for acting the bollix, what punishment is there for the Lycra brigade who sail through red lights like they don’t apply to them?

Vanquished

The Specialist wrote: »

But incompetent and wreckless cyclists who don’t understand the rules of the road are grand, just carry on lads cos it’s only a bicycle? Drivers can have a license revoked for acting the bollix, what punishment is there for the Lycra brigade who sail through red lights like they don’t apply to them?

Yeah, cyclists are far more of a menace than somebody breaking red lights or messing around with their phone while in control of a 1500Kg metal box!

kilburn

You should drive behind the group of cyclists in the evenings from the hub at coonagh roundabout and then you will see a large group of cyclists breaking all the rules of the road without a care in the world.

They are a menace.

Plenty of cyclists wearing headphones also while cycling on the footpath.

Go to any junction more cyclists than cars break the red light.

phog

Mc Love wrote: »

I think you would change your tune if you cycled the route or any route that doesnt have segregated cycle infrastructure in the city. I wouldnt be letting my children cycle on the road or any road in the city, supervised or not. Cycle Bus aside, it is well organised and marshalled to allow kids to safely cycle to school

I do cycle - frequently in fact.

Cycle Bus aside, it is well organised and marshalled to allow kids to safely cycle to school

They're not great on the legalities of road usage either but leave that there as last time I raised it was told to cut them some slack

diusmr8a504cvk

Can we get back to the Leader being a rag?

Mc Love

kilburn wrote: »

You should drive behind the group of cyclists in the evenings from the hub at coonagh roundabout and then you will see a large group of cyclists breaking all the rules of the road without a care in the world.

They are a menace.

Plenty of cyclists wearing headphones also while cycling on the footpath.

Go to any junction more cyclists than cars break the red light.

Menace haha go away will you, you troll. Plenty of motorists have the radio up so loud too. It's not illegal to cycle on footpaths. I can tell you more motorists break lights than cyclists.

phog wrote: »

I do cycle - frequently in fact.

I sincerely doubt it.

The Specialist

Mc Love wrote: »

Menace haha go away will you, you troll. Plenty of motorists have the radio up so loud too. It's not illegal to cycle on footpathsI can tell you more motorists break lights than cyclists.

I’m really starting to think a cycling licence test should become a thing, it’s very apparent half of ye don’t have a ****ing clue about the rules of the road and make your own up:

Article 13 of the 1997 Regulations makes it an offence to cycle on a footpath unless you are entering or exiting a property (however this has not been included under ‘Fixed Charge Offences’ see below).

phog

Mc Love wrote: »

Menace haha go away will you, you troll. Plenty of motorists have the radio up so loud too. It's not illegal to cycle on footpaths. I can tell you more motorists break lights than cyclists.





I sincerely doubt it.

Wrong on two counts - but that's no surprise

Mc Love

Maybe so but....

Cyclists will be able to continue using footpaths when the new fixed-charge notices system is introduced, the Irish Independent has learned.

Transport Minister Paschal Donohoe has made a last-minute decision to omit cycling on footpaths from the penalties list for fear it would discourage families who cycle to school with their young children.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/cyclists-who-use-footpaths-will-not-be-fined-31342974.html

When will motorists stop parking on footpaths? All being equal? Motorists do sit a test and require a licence and yet this still continues on a daily basis in every road in Ireland.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-clarify-what-everyone-pointing-10473629

phog

Mc Love wrote: »

Maybe so but....


When will motorists stop parking on footpaths? All being equal? Motorists do sit a test and require a licence and yet this still continues on a daily basis in every road in Ireland.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-clarify-what-everyone-pointing-10473629

Any motorist break the law can be easily identified and easily fined.

Unfortunately cyclists aren't even required to have identification on them so makes identifying them more difficult if and when they cause an accident.

kilburn

Troll well done it doesn't agree with your idea so I am a troll

Anyone who cycles wearing overear headphones is a moron

chicorytip

Mc Love wrote:

Menace haha go away will you, you troll. Plenty of motorists have the radio up so loud too. It's not illegal to cycle on footpaths. I can tell you more motorists break lights than cyclists.

Cycling on footpaths ought to be made illegal. It's downright bloody stupid and dangerous. Pedestrians don't have eyes in the back of their heads and may not be able to even hear some eejit speeding up behind them on a bike.

keane2097

Has anyone got a link to that article about the Limerick pedestrian killed by a cyclist?

Car99

MOD's Can all the cyclists v motorist arguments be moved to a new thread cause they are ruining this one.

kilburn

Interesting letter to the editor article from a visitor to the city

Is this a new column or a one off ?

The Specialist

kilburn wrote: »

Interesting letter to the editor article from a visitor to the city

Is this a new column or a one off ?

Whiff of bull**** off that to be honest.

kilburn

The Specialist wrote:

Whiff of bull**** off that to be honest.

Agreed but you can't say things like that in the Limerick forum these days.........

AilyNC

kilburn wrote: »

Interesting letter to the editor article from a visitor to the city

Is this a new column or a one off ?

The response was absolutely terrible. Letter to the Editor feature could be a great feature but the response needs to be better.

Comhrá

"A pensioner who suffered an accident in Limerick contacted the Leader to help him praise the wonderful care he got from passers-by in the city"

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=476

stefanovich

Comhra wrote: »

"A pensioner who suffered an accident in Limerick contacted the Leader to help him praise the wonderful care he got from passers-by in the city"

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=476

I saw that piece and immediately thought of this thread. What an absolutely bananas idea for an article. The editor must have been inebriated at the time.