The Bible

HensVassal

kneemos wrote: »

Both symbolic stories I'd have thought.
Don't know what MRM is but presumably the message is true rather than the stories

The poster Me Right One......my mistake should have been MRO.

HensVassal

byronbay2 wrote: »

That's why these episodes are called "miracles" and you need what they call "faith" to believe them!

"Faith" is a belief in something that is possible, e.g. "I have faith that Bill will get back with the pizza and beer before the match starts. The boy knows all the shortcuts".

Insanity is a belief in something that is impossible.

keano_afc

Yes and yes.

Worth reading to see why its the most divisive book in the world and banned in over 30 countries (which is pretty awesome really when its supposedly a "book of fairy tales").

I would suggest starting with the gospels (Matthew thru to John in the New Testament) and if you're reading for the first time a more easy to read version might be an idea (New King James, ESV).

If you are genuinely interested I can send you a bible, just drop me a pm.

Atoms for Peace

Its all in the book of revelations folks, the end times are at hand:

"17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication"

Yes it seems that kim kardasian is the whore of Babylon.:)

Samaris

Pherekydes wrote: »

Of course, Jesus himself is reputed to have said (John 14:6):

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Which instantly condemned millions who had lived prior to Jesus to hell for all eternity.

As a note on that, I think that has been clarified a few times (that was one that bugged me as a kid too), that one has to make a concious decision to follow or not follow to reach God. It doesn't affect those that died before Jesus' time, or those who never heard his words.

I'm pretty sure it was decided at one of the earliest councils, probably not Nicaea, maybe Constantinople or one of those though.

kneemos wrote: »

Both symbolic stories I'd have thought.
Don't know what MRM is but presumably the message is true rather than the stories

Pretty much every Middle Eastern country claims that they totally had the Garden of Eden, but given the spiritualness of that whole story, I rather doubt it was ever a real place. The Flood however, there is evidence for. It crops up in a number of mythologies - actually, google Flood Myth and you'll get a raft of information on it. I believe there is actually physical evidence for a wide-scale inundation of land in that entire region, which, given the catastrophic effects on farmland and towns, likely would live in folk memory and be incorporated into religions. Much like the Ten Plagues of Egypt; you can take the deity influence or not as you want, but even the rivers of blood and the death of the first-born are plausible.

The rivers of blood could have been water affected by red algae, which still happens every so often. The death of the first-born is interesting, and has been attributed (of course, this is only guesswork) to a natural gas leak, although I can't recall off the top of my head if it was CO or not. The interesting thing about it is that there was a hierarchical structure to where people slept, and the much-valued first born boys of the family slept on the ground floor. The slave children, primarily Jewish, would sleep at the top of the house. Given the gas would have been rising from the -ground-, it would have affected those Egyptian boys, but would have dissipated by the time it reached the Hebrew children.

Can take all of this with a grain of salt, of course, or even an entire pillar, but it has certainly been theorized as possible, although with the facts diluted over time by folk memory.

Grayson

Samaris wrote: »

As a note on that, I think that has been clarified a few times (that was one that bugged me as a kid too), that one has to make a concious decision to follow or not follow to reach God. It doesn't affect those that died before Jesus' time, or those who never heard his words.

I'm pretty sure it was decided at one of the earliest councils, probably not Nicaea, maybe Constantinople or one of those though.

It was decided that there was a new covenant between God and humans. People before Jesus had the one in the old testament and their rules people after had the new one with Jesus. It was mainly brought in to discern the new church from the Jews. Up till that point, for the first hundred years or so, Christians were a Jewish sect. By the time the catholic church was coming into it's own it needed to shed the Judaic law and become it's own separate entity.

Samaris wrote: »

Pretty much every Middle Eastern country claims that they totally had the Garden of Eden, but given the spiritualness of that whole story, I rather doubt it was ever a real place. The Flood however, there is evidence for. It crops up in a number of mythologies - actually, google Flood Myth and you'll get a raft of information on it. I believe there is actually physical evidence for a wide-scale inundation of land in that entire region, which, given the catastrophic effects on farmland and towns, likely would live in folk memory and be incorporated into religions. Much like the Ten Plagues of Egypt; you can take the deity influence or not as you want, but even the rivers of blood and the death of the first-born are plausible.

The rivers of blood could have been water affected by red algae, which still happens every so often. The death of the first-born is interesting, and has been attributed (of course, this is only guesswork) to a natural gas leak, although I can't recall off the top of my head if it was CO or not. The interesting thing about it is that there was a hierarchical structure to where people slept, and the much-valued first born boys of the family slept on the ground floor. The slave children, primarily Jewish, would sleep at the top of the house. Given the gas would have been rising from the -ground-, it would have affected those Egyptian boys, but would have dissipated by the time it reached the Hebrew children.

Can take all of this with a grain of salt, of course, or even an entire pillar, but it has certainly been theorized as possible, although with the facts diluted over time by folk memory.

The flood myth isn't just isolated to the middle east. Lots of societies have stories. It's not unusual to fear natural disasters and have them co-opted into mythology.
Although, as you pointed out, there is evidence of wide spread flooding between the Tigris and Euphrates. The story permeated Mesopotamian mythology. The Epic of Gilgamesh predates the biblical flood myth by quite a while and it's almost certain that the flood myth is drawn from it.

Jesus.

me_right_one wrote: »

Jesus was a complete revolutionary. If he was around today, he would be disliked / liked the way Paul Murphy is.

Fukk me. Paul Murphy! I must tone it back a bit

jester77

Fact or fiction aside, it's amazing the cult following it has.

So far, the best posts on this thread are from those who have actually read it and are providing an interesting take on it, rather than those who are saying "nonsense, Dawkins, Flying Spaghetti Monster, crap..." and ridiculing it.

Grayson

Deleted User wrote: »

So far, the best posts on this thread are from those who have actually read it and are providing an interesting take on it, rather than those who are saying "nonsense, Dawkins, Flying Spaghetti Monster, crap..." and ridiculing it.

I didn't notice that but I probably missed it and can't be bothered reading back.

I don't know if there's much moral knowledge in the bible. If you include the old testament then there's far more nastiness in it.

I do think there is a lot to be gained from it as an understanding of human nature. It's a big part of our history. Probably the most recognisable book in western culture (although harry potter and fifty shades are giving it a run). I'd recommend reading it. I'd say the same for the holy books of most major religions.

Lantus

me_right_one wrote: »

Yes and Yes.

You have to remember that the Bible is not one book. It is a volume of books, each telling a different story. The volume is split into 2 halves, the Old Testament, and the New Testament.

The Old Testament was basically the collection of books outlining Jewish law at the time, and the New Testament is everything from when Jesus was born (well just before, actually) up to about 400AD. AFAIK Jews still follow the OT, and Christians follow the NT.

Of all the books in the Bible, the 4 Gospels are taken to be factual. These are the books telling the story of Jesus's life. The main events, placenames, rulers of the time etc. can all be corroborated from other historical sources, so the Gospels are taken as fact. Hence the phrase, the Gospel truth.

And Yes, it is soooo worth a read. Its not nearly as hard or as word-y as people think. Each chapter is about one computer screen long, and the longest book I have come across yet was only 25 chapters. Yes, some parts are tedious, but overall, its a good read.

Jesus was a complete revolutionary. If he was around today, he would be disliked / liked the way Paul Murphy is. He didn't give a sh1t whose feathers he ruffled and in the end, it cost him his life. Its refreshing to see that life may have been less technological 2000 years ago, but people had the same problems as today. Jesus was the original hippie and he had the right attitude. The media today has the most completely wrong perception of Jesus / religion imaginable. Read the Bible for yourself and see.

Here's a link to the one I've read. Have a look, and make up your own mind:

http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=47

I'm fairly sure it didn't cost him his life? Didn't he magically spring back to life? And then floated off to heaven after a short respite.

Fleawuss

Pray for AH now and in its last agony as the Bible is Fact brigade post another Bring Back Jesus thread. Please send them to Religion where they can discuss these critically important matters in depth.

Temptamperu

Birneybau wrote: »

Best piece of fantasy until Lord Of The Rings came about. And then Philip Pullman's 'His Dark Materials'.

You need to broaden your taste :pac:

captbarnacles

Grayson wrote: »

I didn't notice that but I probably missed it and can't be bothered reading back.

I don't know if there's much moral knowledge in the bible. If you include the old testament then there's far more nastiness in it.

I do think there is a lot to be gained from it as an understanding of human nature. It's a big part of our history. Probably the most recognisable book in western culture (although harry potter and fifty shades are giving it a run). I'd recommend reading it. I'd say the same for the holy books of most major religions.

The Qu'ran is repetitive nonsense as opposed to the bible which is less repetitive nonsense.

Grayson

captbarnacles wrote: »

The Qu'ran is repetitive nonsense as opposed to the bible which is less repetitive nonsense.

The problem with the Koran/Quran/Qu'ran is that it's composed of a number of books which are not in chronological order. They're ordered longest to shortest. Can you imagine of the boble was like that with stuff all over the place.

It's also supposed to be very lyrical and melodic when read aloud in arabic. Which is useless to us since we don't speak arabic.

Personally I found that Bhagavad Gita to be nuts.

Grayson

Lantus wrote: »

I'm fairly sure it didn't cost him his life? Didn't he magically spring back to life? And then floated off to heaven after a short respite.

There's stories about how he survived the cruxi-fiction. (geddit)

There's a load of different ideas. Some suggest that he just faked dying and then legged it. Supporters of this idea say that people rarely died after a few hours on a cross, they also point towards the body being hidden, the body disappearing and people seeing him afterwards. (btw, it's called the Swoon Theory )
http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/2006/04/could-jesus-have-survived-the-crucifixion.aspx?

Some people (muslims) say that it was actually a body double that was killed.

Others have this idea that he legged it to the far east. There's even a tomb for him there.

Grayson

I forgot to mention the mormon theory. After the Crucifixion (in which he died) Jesus legged it to the US. But Mormon beliefs are crazy even by christian standards.

GLaDOS

I've been tempted to read it for awhile, I mean it probably the most influential book of all time.

Might pick it up at some point and read one book a month or something.

endacl

Grayson wrote: »

I forgot to mention the mormon theory. After the Crucifixion (in which he died) Jesus legged it to the US. But Mormon beliefs are crazy even by christian standards.

Others believe he slipped away to a life of peaceful obscurity in Los Angeles, where nobody fcuked with him...

The_Valeyard

Grayson wrote: »

I forgot to mention the mormon theory. After the Crucifixion (in which he died) Jesus legged it to the US. But Mormon beliefs are crazy even by christian standards.

Maybe, but the musical is great.

Riddle101

Birneybau wrote: »

Best piece of fantasy until Lord Of The Rings came about. And then Philip Pullman's 'His Dark Materials'.

A bit off topic but, you know The Silmarillion which was written by JRR Tolkien and edited by his son Christopher was influenced by the bible. The story is basically an allegory for the book of Genesis. You have Eru(God) who is the creator, Melkor(Lucifer) the fallen elder god, the creation of middle earth which is like the creation of Earth, and the fall of man which could be attributed to the fall of mankind from god's graces. Of course it's also influenced by the Greek and Norse religions too, so I guess there's a mixture of religious mythology there.

Pawwed Rig

Riddle101 wrote: »

A bit off topic but, you know The Silmarillion which was written by JRR Tolkien and edited by his son Christopher was influenced by the bible.

Was an awful book though.

The Narnia books would also be very heavily based on the bible - creation ressurection talking animals etc

brickmauser

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

Is the Bible classified as factual work?

Also, is it worth a read?

It is a mix of romanticized history legend and poetry.

It is comparable with the legends of ancient Greece and Rome, India, Egypt and Babylon.

For the ancient Romans and Greece the figure of Achilles and Theseus were as real as Jesus is to Christians today.

The story of David and Solomon and the Dravidian dynasty is gripping stuff - the Godfather was heavily influenced by it especially the baptism scene where Michael Corleone wipes out his enemies in the same where Solomon gets rid of his father's old enemies.

kneemos

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Was an awful book though.

The Narnia books would also be very heavily based on the bible - creation ressurection talking animals etc

Haynes Manuals deal with creation and resurrection.

solodeogloria

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

Is the Bible classified as factual work?

Also, is it worth a read?

Good morning!

Warning - serious post on After Hours coming
Another warning perhaps - I'm an evangelical Christian.

Yes, it is worth reading. It isn't quite like any other book in so far as it is the extensive account of God revealing Himself to humanity from the beginning of creation to revealing Himself most supremely in Jesus.

I know others will disagree but I take the Bible extremely seriously because it tells us about what's most important in this life.

My life is utterly shaped by it.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

VinLieger

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

Is the Bible classified as factual work?

Also, is it worth a read?

Anyone who believes its factual and that all teachings and or stories from it should be applied to modern day life should just go straight back to the caves as theres not much hope for them

Its worth a read if you want to be horrified and reinforce any doubts you have about the church

uck51js9zml2yt

VinLieger wrote: »

Anyone who believes its factual and that all teachings and or stories from it should be applied to modern day life should just go straight back to the caves as theres not much hope for them

Its worth a read if you want to be horrified and reinforce any doubts you have about the church

What teachings would you like not to apply?
Maybe, don't murder or don't commit adultery or perhaps love you're neighbour and live at peace with him.!

solodeogloria

VinLieger wrote: »

Anyone who believes its factual and that all teachings and or stories from it should be applied to modern day life should just go straight back to the caves as theres not much hope for them

Its worth a read if you want to be horrified and reinforce any doubts you have about the church

Good morning!

By a cave, do you mean a terraced property on the outskirts of a large city? :pac:

On a serious note - I'm keen to understand others with whom I disagree and if the question is what do you make of the Bible of course saying it is the living Word of God is an answer.

Let's not prejudge one another.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

VinLieger

Kamari Round Unit wrote: »

What teachings would you like not to apply?
Maybe, don't murder or don't commit adultery or perhaps love you're neighbour and live at peace with him.!

Definitely all of the above,

Im fine with being able to sell my daughter into slavery at my whim, in fact im perfectly fine with pretty much all slavery of anyone especially children of anyone who was not born Israel, putting anyone who works on the sabbath to death, putting anyone who sleeps with a person of the other sex to death, encouraging 42 children to be mauled to death by bears for jeering me, not wearing clothing made of 2 materials, not eating eating rabbit, shellfish or pork which the bible strictly forbids for no real reason but hey the bible says not to, treating women who are on their time of the month as virtual pariahs who should not be seen for seven days until they're impurity has finished and consider anything they touched during this time as unclean.

Yeah im fine with all of that I think

RobbieTheRobber

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good morning!

By a cave, do you mean a terraced property on the outskirts of a large city? :pac:

On a serious note - I'm keen to understand others with whom I disagree and if the question is what do you make of the Bible of course saying it is the living Word of God is an answer.

Let's not prejudge one another.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

I believe the new testament to be a collection of myths passed by oral tradition first, then committed to paper before being continuously translated/mistranslated or deliberately amended over time.

Advbrd

Is the Bible classified as factual work? No.

Also, is it worth a read? No.

Did a bloke called Jesus, Emmanuel, Yeshua, Brian exist? More than likely.

Was he the son of God? No.

Did he perform Miracles? No.

Is it the most exaggerated piece of nonsense ever written? Probably.

brickmauser

There is a passage from the Bible that says if two men are fighting and a woman steps in amd grabs one of the men by the scrotum her hand shall be cut off. There will be no pity.

endacl

Here so...

If we're all god's children, what's so feckin' special about Jebus?

tigger123

brickmauser wrote: »

There is a passage from the Bible that says if two men are fighting and a woman steps in amd grabs one of the men by the scrotum her hand shall be cut off. There will be no pity.

In fairness, that's hard to argue with.

keano_afc

Advbrd wrote: »

Is the Bible classified as factual work? No.

Also, is it worth a read? No.

Did a bloke called Jesus, Emmanuel, Yeshua, Brian exist? More than likely.

Was he the son of God? No.

Did he perform Miracles? No.

Is it the most exaggerated piece of nonsense ever written? Probably.

Pfft. You forgot to add /thread.

Shenshen

Kamari Round Unit wrote: »

What teachings would you like not to apply?
Maybe, don't murder or don't commit adultery or perhaps love you're neighbour and live at peace with him.!

Stoning adulterers, selling your daughters into slavery, killing women when they've been raped, or, you know, just not killing people generally?

Or will we start with the basic ones, like not being allowed to make pictures of what you think god may look like?

solodeogloria

Shenshen wrote: »

Stoning adulterers, selling your daughters into slavery, killing women when they've been raped, or, you know, just not killing people generally?

Or will we start with the basic ones, like not being allowed to make pictures of what you think god may look like?

Good afternoon!

I think this is a misconception of Christianity. Christians read the Old Testament Scriptures in light of Jesus and what He has said and done. All sin is truly deserving of death (Romans 1:32).

Jesus Christ offers mercy to those who believe and if Jesus has done that for me, how could I expect death for someone else without being an utter hypocrite.

Mind you. The Old Testament law is good. (Deuteronomy 4:2). I don't believe that it does encourage death for women who are raped. It is also a category error to conflate slavery in the ancient world to the 17th century slave trade.

We'd love for you to ask more on the Christianity forum.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Shenshen

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good afternoon!

I think this is a misconception of Christianity. Christians read the Old Testament Scriptures in light of Jesus and what He has said and done. All sin is truly deserving of death (Romans 1:32).

Jesus Christ offers mercy to those who believe and if Jesus has done that for me, how could I expect death for someone else without being an utter hypocrite.

Mind you. The Old Testament law is good. (Deuteronomy 4:2). I don't believe that it does encourage death for women who are raped. It is also a category error to conflate slavery in the ancient world to the 17th century slave trade.

We'd love for you to ask more on the Christianity forum.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Well, I think that's where our opinions differ greatly - I don't think any sin is deserving of death.

I'm not sure how you would interpret "If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die" (Deuteronomy 22:23, it would appear)? I'm kind of curious how that would not be encouraging death for the victim of rape?

I don't think slavery in ancient times was that much better than at any other time in human history.

By all means, believe in whatever makes you happy, but to pretend that the bible is a good guideline for moral behaviour takes some stunning amount of double-think Orwell would be proud of.

Lamentabli sane

Picked up the Bible (New Testament and Psalms) to read cover to cover around 2013. Thought that the muslims read their books so as a Catholic I should see what our Gospels are about.

As I write this in 2016, I am a completely different person to who I was before I have read the Bible. My life has changed 180.

I am now firm in my life's purpose. I have "a superabundance of joy", this intense happiness that only God can bring into your life if you approach Him. I am free of any and all addictions. I look at women not with lust, but with awe at how the Lord "knocked the ball out of the park". I am faar faar less selfish than I was before. I can see myself growing in spiritual strength - sometimes I cannot recognise myself.

The Bible is really the Words of God revealed for our benefit. This holy Book can and will change your life if you only allow it. However, you must remember that the Bible does not read like any other piece of literature. The words contained in It have power to change. You have to ask the Holy Spirit for help, meditate on what you read, take the message as the truth that it is and apply it in your life. And watch the chains that bind you break, one by one...

Shenshen

People are amazing.
Reading the bible turned me from Christian to rock-solid atheist, I found it one of the most appalling books I ever read and wanted nothing to do with it or with the notion of god it portrayed ever again.
For others it seems to have had the exact opposite effect.

ScumLord

solodeogloria wrote: »

in so far as it is the extensive account of God revealing Himself to humanity

He must have some dangler on him, when I reveal myself to people I get arrested.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I believe the new testament to be a collection of myths passed by oral tradition first, then committed to paper before being continuously translated/mistranslated or deliberately amended over time.

It's not even a collection of their own myths, the flood myth was "borrowed" from the Babylonians.

There's probably some religious dogma that got carried forward from the first religions and tribes like the Judea just wrote it all down in a way that suits their outlook on life.

Fuzzytrooper

Shenshen wrote: »

Well, I think that's where our opinions differ greatly - I don't think any sin is deserving of death.

I'm not sure how you would interpret "If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die" (Deuteronomy 22:23, it would appear)? I'm kind of curious how that would not be encouraging death for the victim of rape?

I don't think slavery in ancient times was that much better than at any other time in human history.

Insert obligatory we're all slaves to technology and Steve Jobs is/was society's new God quote here... but more seriously one of the points of the old testament law was to show people that no one is particularly good. Here's the thing about Jesus...while the old testament still stands in terms of whats right and wrong, the punishment for said crimes has been taken by Jesus. That's why Christians don't go around stoning people (except for giggles). He did the time so you don't have to.

solodeogloria

Good afternoon!

Deuteronomy 22 refers to three cases.
The verses that Shenshen quotes don't refer to a woman who was raped.

22:23-24 and 22:25-27 refer to cases where a betrothed woman cheats on her husband to be. The first verses and the second verses differ according to whether or not the woman is in a town or in the countryside. In cases of rape in both cases only the man is put to death according to the Law of Moses.

22:28-29 refers to premarital sexual relationships where the woman is not betrothed to anyone. The passage suggests marriage in these cases.

The death penalty doesn't apply because Christians aren't a nation in the same way that Israel was and moreover because Christians have been rescued by the death of Jesus which renders it unreasonable to expect this of others.

This is why reading carefully is key. Trying to claim that the Bible is horrible by making it say something that it doesn't isn't right.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

ScumLord

Fuzzytrooper wrote: »

Insert obligatory we're all slaves to technology and Steve Jobs is/was society's new God quote here... but more seriously one of the points of the old testament law was to show people that no one is particularly good. Here's the thing about Jesus...while the old testament still stands in terms of whats right and wrong, the punishment for said crimes has been taken by Jesus. That's why Christians don't go around stoning people (except for giggles). He did the time so you don't have to.

That explains it well. Although it's a bit insidious that god would create laws he knew people wouldn't be able to live up to then comes and save us from the laws he laid down in the first place. It's like something a con man would come up with.

Fuzzytrooper

ScumLord wrote: »

That explains it well. Although it's a bit insidious that god would create laws he knew people wouldn't be able to live up to then comes and save us from the laws he laid down in the first place. It's like something a con man would come up with.

I can see your point and the logic behind it and if I'm honest I don't have an answer that would really satisfy you. Here's the thing and I can only speak to my own personal experience... I've learned to trust God even when I don't fully get or understand something yet - most things eventually make sense as I study the bible closer but that takes time. It's VERY easy to take stuff out of context which has lead to loads o problems, wars etc, the classic example being "an eye for an eye". How often have you heard that quoted in the context of revenge. The reality was that it was a legal practice put into place so you couldn't sue your neighbour for 10 cattle if your actions lead to the deaths of 5 of his beloved moo cows.

Also Thanks! now for some reason I've got an image of Del Boy acting as God.:mad:

ScumLord

Fuzzytrooper wrote: »

Here's the thing and I can only speak to my own personal experience... I've learned to trust God even when I don't fully get or understand something yet - most things eventually make sense as I study the bible closer but that takes time.

Hmm, I'd say if you study anything long enough you can find what you're looking for in it. It's a bit like a broken clock is right twice a day, say something and eventually it might come true or something similar might happen.

It's VERY easy to take stuff out of context which has lead to loads o problems, wars etc,

This is just an example of why the bible can't be the word of a god. A god should be able to construct a set of laws that would be pretty clear, especially with knowledge of how everythings going to turn out.

the classic example being "an eye for an eye". How often have you heard that quoted in the context of revenge. The reality was that it was a legal practice put into place so you couldn't sue your neighbour for 10 cattle if your actions lead to the deaths of 5 of his beloved moo cows.

"an eye for an eye" is another example of Jewish plagiarism. We actually have the original document that law is on and it predates god. It is more complex than an eye for an eye but it's not fair by our standards. A rich man gets his eye taken, a poor man get's some money, a slave gets some time taken off their sentence.

Grayson

solodeogloria wrote: »

Good afternoon!

Deuteronomy 22 refers to three cases.
The verses that Shenshen quotes don't refer to a woman who was raped.

22:23-24 and 22:25-27 refer to cases where a betrothed woman cheats on her husband to be. The first verses and the second verses differ according to whether or not the woman is in a town or in the countryside. In cases of rape in both cases only the man is put to death according to the Law of Moses.

22:28-29 refers to premarital sexual relationships where the woman is not betrothed to anyone. The passage suggests marriage in these cases.

The death penalty doesn't apply because Christians aren't a nation in the same way that Israel was and moreover because Christians have been rescued by the death of Jesus which renders it unreasonable to expect this of others.

This is why reading carefully is key. Trying to claim that the Bible is horrible by making it say something that it doesn't isn't right.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Good afternoon. Even as a bald man I can't condone this. Although I might feel better about it if all bald men had that power.

2 Kings 2:23-24

23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

getzls

Grayson wrote: »

getzls wrote: »

Still better than the Koran.
Jesus said let the children come onto me to be blessed not to be raped.

Had to bang that drum didn't you. I bet when you're in the pub and a coworker asks what you want to drink you say "You know they don't allow drink in islam and they are going to take us over so enjoy it whilst you can" and your coworkers look into their drink silently avoiding eye contact.

Very good. As a matter of fact I do.

Maximus Alexander

The thing that always confuses me about the bible is that the only reason we are given to believe that it is true, is that it says it is.

But the opening sequence of Fargo also says it's true and we don't believe that. Why?

RiderOnTheStorm

The bible knew there would be those who thought themselves too smart to believe in Him

Romans 1;20 - For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen....so that they are without excuse...but became vain in their imaginations....professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.