Tipping

worded

Load of miserable tight arses on this thread

What's wrong with you to not tip someone even a euro or two for a meal or haircut if the person was good at what's they do and made you happy?

I always tip my barber, look forward to the next cut and a chat.

I usually tip a small amount for meals unless it was a disaster

It's nice to nice, it doesn't hurt to share a little bit of happiness

Dirty Dingus McGee

worded wrote: »

Load of miserable tight arses on this thread

What's wrong with you to not tip someone even a euro or two for a meal or haircut if the person was good at what's they do and made you happy?

I always tip my barber, look forward to the next cut and a chat.

I usually tip a small amount for meals unless it was a disaster

It's nice to nice, it doesn't hurt to share a little bit of happiness

I don't get tipped by any of the people I deal with in work and I'm as courteous as the come to the customers I deal with.I don't expect to either.

Why should some jobs be expect to get a tipped but not others?

If the money the staff are being paid is below what they should be and tips are supposed to fill this gap then simply pay the staff properly and put up the price of the service you are providing to cover this.

The whole idea of tips is a complete load of nonsense.

lertsnim

worded wrote: »

Load of miserable tight arses on this thread

What's wrong with you to not tip someone even a euro or two for a meal or haircut if the person was good at what's they do and made you happy?

I always tip my barber, look forward to the next cut and a chat.

I usually tip a small amount for meals unless it was a disaster

It's nice to nice, it doesn't hurt to share a little bit of happiness

Tight arses who go out and pay for a meal?

Lemonposset

lightspeed wrote: »

Give me an example of someone who has gone out of their way and a provided a service that was outside of what they are already getting paid to do?

When working as a waitress, a customer called me over and asked if I had any tampons. She was on a first date and had just gotten her period and was very embarassed. I didn't and none of the other waitresses did either & I let her know this but told her I would sort it. So I ran out to the nearest shop (5 min jog) & bought some with my own money & left them in the ladies & told her where they were. It was pissing rain as I did this. I got in trouble with my boss for my unexplained absence on the busiest part of a saturday night service. Did she tip me? Nope. And yet I still tip wait staff, I can't help it though, when you've worked in the trade you know what a difference it makes.

worded

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I don't get tipped by any of the people I deal with in work and I'm as courteous as the come to the customers I deal with.I don't expect to either.

Why should some jobs be expect to get a tipped but not others?

If the money the staff are being paid is below what they should be and tips are supposed to fill this gap then simply pay the staff properly and put up the price of the service you are providing to cover this.

The whole idea of tips is a complete load of nonsense.

It doesn't hurt to give a Euro tip at lunch if the food and service was excellent.

The happiest people are those that give and make people happy

I still think that those who NEVER tip are miserable tight arses

Surreptitious

Lemonposset wrote: »

When working as a waitress, a customer called me over and asked if I had any tampons. She was on a first date and had just gotten her period and was very embarassed. I didn't and none of the other waitresses did either & I let her know this but told her I would sort it. So I ran out to the nearest shop (5 min jog) & bought some with my own money & left them in the ladies & told her where they were. It was pissing rain as I did this. I got in trouble with my boss for my unexplained absence on the busiest part of a saturday night service. Did she tip me? Nope. And yet I still tip wait staff, I can't help it though, when you've worked in the trade you know what a difference it makes.

Did she even say thanks? That was a very kind thing for you to do.

raze_them_all_

Surreptitious wrote: »

Did she even say thanks? That was a very kind thing for you to do.

A tip would be a way to say thanks.....

Jurgen Klopp

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'll only ever tip if I feel the person has gone out of their way to provide an excellent service outside of whatever their regular job is. The whole purpose behind tipping in places like America is because staff are on ludicrously low money, that people can't actually survive on. That isn't the case here.

That's it really. I or anyone I know has never left a tip. FFS the country has a legal minimum wage for a reason

Whatever about being in the habit of you've lived on the US, i cant help but think anyone in Ireland that regularly​ tips just watches too much American TV and thinks it's the norm

massdebater

I work in a restaurant in Canada, where the tipping culture is huge. I spent my whole life working office jobs but I make around 2.5 times more as a waiter than I would in any entry level office jobs - and that's with me having zero waitering experience!

The amount of people who don't have any clue about the tipping culture here is ridiculous though. I make less than minimum wage (I get $9.60/hr instead of min wage which i think is $10.40/hr). At the end of my shift, I have to give money to the kitchen and bar staff. This is 4% of my food sales to kitchen and 4% of drink sales to the barman. This is off the sales figures and is not linked to my tips. So if I sell $500 worth of food and $400 worth of drink in a night, I need to pay the kitchen $20 and the barman $16. If nobody tips me all night, this comes from my own money. So by people not tipping, I get less than my already reduced wage. Most people are good though and will usually tip between 15-20%. I find that Americans, rich Asians and people who work as a waiter themselves are the best tippers whereas Aussies, students and young Asians are the worst offenders. At the end of the day, if you can't afford to tip, don't eat in a table-service restaurant. Go to McDonald's or something like that

tedpan

I used to work as a barman and a waiter years ago and always strived to provide a good service. I appreciated getting tips, but understand that Ireland doesn't really have a tipping culture. Most tips would have been from US and UK tourists.

If I get a good service in a restaurant, I'll tip 10%. I always tip bar staff. I also tip delivery drivers, barbers, taxis, mechanic s and most other people who provide a service. Usually 2 to 5euro

It's only money...

Wardling

I was away recently with a large enough group. 15 or so people. A trip to the country.

On the first day at arrival one of the group sussed out who the supervisor/manager of the bar was and went for a quick chat. Introduced himself, shook his hand and dropped him a twenty and off we all went for the day. Taught he was mad throwing his money around. Turns out he had it planned perfect.

We spend two nights in the bar that weekend and Lord muck who tipped his twenty was threated like a king. Great welcome, First served at the bar, I was bypassed twice, first served food, always made a fuss about him, checked numerous times to make sure he was sorted. All for his twenty tip at the start up front. Never once tipped again. Not even if we all got some bar food in and totalled up the food bill.

Got me thinking of what I'd tipped the weekend. I bought a couple of rounds both nights and I'd tip on the bill by rounding up usually 4-5euro, threw another tip in with my food both nights. I'm guessing I probably tipped roughly 30 over the both nights.

10 more than Lord muck but didn't see any of the extra service he recieved the weekend. Personally I'd always have felt a little weird tipping up front like that but have another weekend away soon and might give it a go. See how it goes.

Samuel T. Cogley

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

He/She is either a stripper or a prostitute.

Not a chance, they wouldn't see anywhere near that sort of money hence feeling I could make the gerbil joke. I'm guessing something to do with luxury cars, aircraft leasing or yachts. The latter two dropping $10K would be pocket change, very nice pocket change and presumably for a job very well done but not completely out there in terms of tips.

KilOit

massdebater wrote: »

I work in a restaurant in Canada, where the tipping culture is huge. I spent my whole life working office jobs but I make around 2.5 times more as a waiter than I would in any entry level office jobs - and that's with me having zero waitering experience!

The amount of people who don't have any clue about the tipping culture here is ridiculous though. I make less than minimum wage (I get $9.60/hr instead of min wage which i think is $10.40/hr). At the end of my shift, I have to give money to the kitchen and bar staff. This is 4% of my food sales to kitchen and 4% of drink sales to the barman. This is off the sales figures and is not linked to my tips. So if I sell $500 worth of food and $400 worth of drink in a night, I need to pay the kitchen $20 and the barman $16. If nobody tips me all night, this comes from my own money. So by people not tipping, I get less than my already reduced wage. Most people are good though and will usually tip between 15-20%. I find that Americans, rich Asians and people who work as a waiter themselves are the best tippers whereas Aussies, students and young Asians are the worst offenders. At the end of the day, if you can't afford to tip, don't eat in a table-service restaurant. Go to McDonald's or something like that

Most ridiculous comment I've seen in a while. So a student on a date brings their partner to dinner after saving up some money can't go to one of your establishments if they can't go the full distance to tip you and has to resort to Mc Donalds instead. Its not the students fault your restaurant has a policy of giving your salary to kitchen and bar staff

s15r330

KilOit wrote: »

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Most ridiculous comment I've seen in a while. So a student on a date brings their partner to dinner after saving up some money can't go to one of your establishments if they can't go the full distance to tip you and has to resort to Mc Donalds instead. Its not the students fault your restaurant has a policy of giving your salary to kitchen and bar staff

Yeh couldn't believe what I was reading. We could easily say if people can't afford to live on waiter wages then they should get another job.

Avatar MIA

tedpan wrote: »

If I get a good service in a restaurant, I'll tip 10%. I always tip bar staff. I also tip delivery drivers, barbers, taxis, mechanic s and most other people who provide a service. Usually 2 to 5euro

It's only money...

I used to tip, until I realised the whole interaction between you and staff is predicated on them getting a tip, whether restaurant staff (Did you enjoy your meal, when you are just about to pay) or taxi drivers - quiet all journey and suddenly get interested in a conversation as you near your destination.

This faked interest is very off putting, so now I get my wife to pay :pac:

But in all seriousness, it was putting me off going out to meals, and it was on my mind during the meal.journey etc.

Tipping is creeping in big time, just pay your staff proper wages.

suicide_circus

massdebater wrote: »

I work in a restaurant in Canada, where the tipping culture is huge. I spent my whole life working office jobs but I make around 2.5 times more as a waiter than I would in any entry level office jobs - and that's with me having zero waitering experience!

The amount of people who don't have any clue about the tipping culture here is ridiculous though. I make less than minimum wage (I get $9.60/hr instead of min wage which i think is $10.40/hr). At the end of my shift, I have to give money to the kitchen and bar staff. This is 4% of my food sales to kitchen and 4% of drink sales to the barman. This is off the sales figures and is not linked to my tips. So if I sell $500 worth of food and $400 worth of drink in a night, I need to pay the kitchen $20 and the barman $16. If nobody tips me all night, this comes from my own money. So by people not tipping, I get less than my already reduced wage. Most people are good though and will usually tip between 15-20%. I find that Americans, rich Asians and people who work as a waiter themselves are the best tippers whereas Aussies, students and young Asians are the worst offenders. At the end of the day, if you can't afford to tip, don't eat in a table-service restaurant. Go to McDonald's or something like that

That system is beyond retarded and I won't feel bad for not buying into this utter immbecilety. "Paid less than minimum wage"? F*cking daft carry on.

lightspeed

I can just imagine how all those defending tipping would feel if supermarkets announced they were cutting staff wages and introducing a tipping culture at the til.

Im sure it would go down well with customers.

If a bar or restaurant owner says i pay minimum wage and you customers need to to tip to subsidise my workers low salaries, many in Ireland say thats grand.

Yet if the likes of Tesco did it who are operating in arguably an even more competitive market, the same people would be outraged.

Ill never understand the hypocrisy and nonsense.

suicide_circus

^^^^ there is not an ounce of fairness or sound logic when it comes to tipping culture. It is a throwback to a bygone age and it cannot be defended in any serious way

Brad Socrates Osmund

I always tip waiting staff, always have, unless the service and/or individual in question is exceptionally bad. However, I'm puzzled by this growing trend in recent years to have tip jars situated at tills in coffee shops and bars. Tipping for individual table service is one thing, but tips are now expected for making a purchase at the counter?

smurfjed

He/She is either a stripper or a prostitute

Actually i fly aircraft in an environment where tipping is part of the culture.

Dirty Dingus McGee

massdebater wrote: »

I work in a restaurant in Canada, where the tipping culture is huge. I spent my whole life working office jobs but I make around 2.5 times more as a waiter than I would in any entry level office jobs - and that's with me having zero waitering experience!

The amount of people who don't have any clue about the tipping culture here is ridiculous though. I make less than minimum wage (I get $9.60/hr instead of min wage which i think is $10.40/hr). At the end of my shift, I have to give money to the kitchen and bar staff. This is 4% of my food sales to kitchen and 4% of drink sales to the barman. This is off the sales figures and is not linked to my tips. So if I sell $500 worth of food and $400 worth of drink in a night, I need to pay the kitchen $20 and the barman $16. If nobody tips me all night, this comes from my own money. So by people not tipping, I get less than my already reduced wage. Most people are good though and will usually tip between 15-20%. I find that Americans, rich Asians and people who work as a waiter themselves are the best tippers whereas Aussies, students and young Asians are the worst offenders. At the end of the day, if you can't afford to tip, don't eat in a table-service restaurant. Go to McDonald's or something like that

Thats a problem with your employer though.

He should be paying you a proper wage and having the price of the food/drink that is provided reflect a proper wage for the staff.The employer is being let off the hook.When you go to a restaurant you expect that the price of the meal covers the price of it getting to your table.

marialouise

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I used to tip, until I realised the whole interaction between you and staff is predicated on them getting a tip, whether restaurant staff (Did you enjoy your meal, when you are just about to pay) or taxi drivers - quiet all journey and suddenly get interested in a conversation as you near your destination.

This faked interest is very off putting, so now I get my wife to pay :pac:

I work in a restaurant and genuinely care whether they enjoyed their meal. I also often end up giving directions and recommendations to cafés or bars, and do stuff like microwaving baby bottles, charging people's phones behind the bar etc. I don't do it for the tips, I get paid whether you enjoy your meal or not. But who wants to be served by a waitress who doesn't care about their tables? 

Brad Socrates Osmund wrote: »

I always tip waiting staff, always have, unless the service and/or individual in question is exceptionally bad. However, I'm puzzled by this growing trend in recent years to have tip jars situated at tills in coffee shops and bars. Tipping for individual table service is one thing, but tips are now expected for making a purchase at the counter?

I do wonder about that too. I tip in my regular café because they make great (affordable coffee), offer a really good service and are friendlier and more efficient than other cafés, so I throw them the spare change because I like them! Don't do it everywhere though and I don't know why we have them. Like I said I work in a restaurant but I still don't get the tipping thing.

Avatar MIA

marialouise wrote: »

But who wants to be served by a waitress who doesn't care about their tables?

Maybe it attracts a more caring person.

But, whether that's the case or not, there is a psychology to selling, including tips. Whether inherent or trained/taught.

marialouise

I worked in a target-driven high-end retail store before and there I was selling, selling, selling with no commission or tips. Selling was my job and I worked for minimum wage. It was just the job. 
Checking people enjoyed their meal is part of this job. When I eat in a restaurant, the server should come around to check if I need anything, so I do this because I expect it too. And I ask if they enjoyed their meal because why would I want to work in a restaurant where people consistently didn't enjoy their food? The customer's feedback is important to me, I'm not just fishing for tips! I know in some cases you feel they might be, and it's probably true, but I'm just showing you my perspective. 
Interestingly, some people who seem not bothered or rude leave generous tips, and the people for whom you go to the greatest efforts and some of the most difficult customers leave nothing.

Yourself isit

lightspeed wrote: »

I can just imagine how all those defending tipping would feel if supermarkets announced they were cutting staff wages and introducing a tipping culture at the til.

Im sure it would go down well with customers.

If a bar or restaurant owner says i pay minimum wage and you customers need to to tip to subsidise my workers low salaries, many in Ireland say thats grand.

Yet if the likes of Tesco did it who are operating in arguably an even more competitive market, the same people would be outraged.

Ill never understand the hypocrisy and nonsense.

Tips are free service. Table service in this country and in general (bars apart) the US. Clearly tesco doesn't cut it.

smurfjed

New York City wants to make it easier for Uber drivers to earn a bit more money in tips.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The regulatory agency in charge of taxis and livery drivers resolved Monday to consider requiring companies like Uber to offer in-app tipping, according to Huffington Post.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The feature would be similar to the electronic credit card tips that New Yorkers are able to give cab drivers.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The electronic tipping is mandated by New York's taxi and limousine commission.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So it might become compulsory in NYC to have an easy way to tip your taxi driver.[/font]

massdebater

KilOit wrote: »

Most ridiculous comment I've seen in a while. So a student on a date brings their partner to dinner after saving up some money can't go to one of your establishments if they can't go the full distance to tip you and has to resort to Mc Donalds instead. Its not the students fault your restaurant has a policy of giving your salary to kitchen and bar staff

It's not just my restaurant's policy though, it's the policy of the entire industry. Of course, it's my choice to be part of this industry but there's a lot of money to be made from tips so of course I wanted to be part of that. I don't necessarily agree with the way the service industry here works, where waiters/kitchen/bar staff have higher incomes than managers (how ridiculous is that!) but at the end of the day, I'm trying to make a living here so a lot of tax-free income for a relatively easy job is enticing so I decided to join in. The biggest winners in all this are the restaurant owners.

Lemonposset

Surreptitious wrote: »

Did she even say thanks? That was a very kind thing for you to do.

She didn't say anything to me but you know I didn't mind, if I was in her shoes I would want to crawl under a rock! I do admit to being a bit crestfallen when I realised she'd left without acknowledging it. I offered the story as a retort to the poster who asked 'when did wait staff do anything outside of their job description', it probably happens more often than is realised

smurfjed

in a London bar/casino tonight, the staff told me that tips were collected and paid out to all food beverage staff on a monthly basis.

So the 5 pounds that i left for 3 staff would actually result in 10 pence each, so what is the point of TIPS? We already pay service charges, is tipping now another type of service charge?

pleas advice

just the tip

Noveight

I generally don't tip. If a taxi fare comes to €8 and I'm handing him a tenner I'll tell him to keep the change, similar in a barbers if I'm very happy with the cut.

B.A._Baracus

Tipping is America is gas when you think about it....
Places especially like New York are some of the biggest fu*k you places going, but hold on you're a extra jerk if you DONT tip?
So I guess it's ok to step over someone laying on the side walk. Just make sure to tip your waitress tho.

yabadabado

massdebater wrote: »

I work in a restaurant in Canada, where the tipping culture is huge. I spent my whole life working office jobs but I make around 2.5 times more as a waiter than I would in any entry level office jobs - and that's with me having zero waitering experience!

The amount of people who don't have any clue about the tipping culture here is ridiculous though. I make less than minimum wage (I get $9.60/hr instead of min wage which i think is $10.40/hr). At the end of my shift, I have to give money to the kitchen and bar staff. This is 4% of my food sales to kitchen and 4% of drink sales to the barman. This is off the sales figures and is not linked to my tips. So if I sell $500 worth of food and $400 worth of drink in a night, I need to pay the kitchen $20 and the barman $16. If nobody tips me all night, this comes from my own money. So by people not tipping, I get less than my already reduced wage. Most people are good though and will usually tip between 15-20%. I find that Americans, rich Asians and people who work as a waiter themselves are the best tippers whereas Aussies, students and young Asians are the worst offenders. At the end of the day, if you can't afford to tip, don't eat in a table-service restaurant. Go to McDonald's or something like that

What utter crap. All you are doing is letting your employer pay you **** wages and expect customers to bump your wage. Totally letting the employer take advantage of staff.

The tipping culture in North America is bonkers and the last part of your post is complete nonsense.

CastielJ

I tip usually about 10-20% of a sum

smurfjed

I love getting tips for the job that I do, so I always tip others, but what bugged me what the idea that I wasn't saying thank you to these 3 specific employees but I was tipping 50 people including people who weren't even in the building working that night, that to me is a service charge and not a tip.

Mossy Monk

I generally don't tip at all. Minimum wage is paid in this country. If my food was off because of it I would complain to the management. If that results in someone losing their job then so be it. They shouldn't be messing with peoples food because they didn't get a tip previously. Not everyone can afford to tip.

Billy86

massdebater wrote: »

I work in a restaurant in Canada, where the tipping culture is huge. I spent my whole life working office jobs but I make around 2.5 times more as a waiter than I would in any entry level office jobs - and that's with me having zero waitering experience!

The amount of people who don't have any clue about the tipping culture here is ridiculous though. I make less than minimum wage (I get $9.60/hr instead of min wage which i think is $10.40/hr). At the end of my shift, I have to give money to the kitchen and bar staff. This is 4% of my food sales to kitchen and 4% of drink sales to the barman. This is off the sales figures and is not linked to my tips. So if I sell $500 worth of food and $400 worth of drink in a night, I need to pay the kitchen $20 and the barman $16. If nobody tips me all night, this comes from my own money. So by people not tipping, I get less than my already reduced wage. Most people are good though and will usually tip between 15-20%. I find that Americans, rich Asians and people who work as a waiter themselves are the best tippers whereas Aussies, students and young Asians are the worst offenders. At the end of the day, if you can't afford to tip, don't eat in a table-service restaurant. Go to McDonald's or something like that

I'm pretty sure your employer is taking advantage of you, I doubt it's the type of law that changes from province to province (well maybe Quebec?) but in Toronto everyone that I knew who worked in hospitality raved about the fact they got at least min wage (which was $11.60 at the time and is now $14) as well as there being a tipping culture similar to the US.

I've seen the same happen in Sydney with people on the 417 'backpacker' visa and earning $12/hr when min wage there on that visa is something like $22/hr (you get no paid sick days or leave but get paid 25% extra), don't let employers take advantage of you just because you're not from there and possibly quite young. You're getting $4.40 less than min wage an hour, which is $165 a week, or $660 a month, so basically your rent assuming you're in relatively cheap accommodation. That comes to about $7,750 a year.

EDIT: By the looks of it you should at the very, very least be on $12.20 an hour - https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/minimum-wage . Maybe put a post on one of the Irish & New Facebook pages, there'll be tonnes of people with experience in this area on there and they're generally a very helpful bunch.

the_pen_turner

smurfjed wrote: »

I love getting tips for the job that I do, so I always tip others, but what bugged me what the idea that I wasn't saying thank you to these 3 specific employees but I was tipping 50 people including people who weren't even in the building working that night, that to me is a service charge and not a tip.

that would annoy me too. no need for that.

I believe that a tip should be given when someone has gone above and beyond what would be expected.

greeting you
bringing you to a seat
bringing menus
taking a order promptly
bringing what you ordered
asking do you need anything
taking away plates etc
bringing desert or tea/coffee
bringing the bill

these are part of doing your job

nobody would give me a tip just because when fitting doors and put the handles on or planed them to fit properly

we really need to remove this crap from society before it becomes norm like America where the staff will put their hands out and wait for it.
you should only tip when the staff went the extra bit that they didn't need to

Pyr0

the_pen_turner wrote: »

that would annoy me too. no need for that.

I believe that a tip should be given when someone has gone above and beyond what would be expected.

greeting you
bringing you to a seat
bringing menus
taking a order promptly
bringing what you ordered
asking do you need anything
taking away plates etc
bringing desert or tea/coffee
bringing the bill

these are part of doing your job

nobody would give me a tip just because when fitting doors and put the handles on or planed them to fit properly

we really need to remove this crap from society before it becomes norm like America where the staff will put their hands out and wait for it.
you should only tip when the staff went the extra bit that they didn't need to

I agree! Why should i tip someone for carrying out the basic requirements of their job? This is not America where servers rely on tips to survive day to day (I don't agree with that model at all).