Hijab wearing muslim "attacked" on street

Arthur.beaker

SimonTemplar wrote: »

To a Muslim women wearing a hijab, exposing her head could be just as distressing as a western women having her breasts exposed.

I don't believe this and the use of 'could be' is suspicious.

Arthur.beaker

Skylinehead wrote: »

Course you're allowed. You're discussing it now aren't you? Don't try to play the victim card on me.

I'd consider lots of things not newsworthy, with the amount of clickbait out there these days. I think it's the whole Muslim thing that has a lot of people crying "not newsworthy" here, for whatever reason they have.

Thanks for allowing us to discuss it, I feel privileged.

anewme

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

But it is okay to overplay it by making it headline news?

As I said its not ok to MAKE ANY EXCUSES.

I don't care if it's headline news or a line in the Oldham Echo

The only blame here lies with the 2 yobs who assaulted a lady going about her business.

SimonTemplar

I can't believe we are having this debate. I mean, come on!

A woman was attacked in London. The BBC reported it because it has a remit to report news. Crime is news. Always has been.

What is the problem?!

darkpagandeath

LiamoSail wrote: »

I'm absolutely astonished at the attitude of people in downplaying the seriousness of this attack. This wasn't just an attack on the lady's person, it was an attack on her beliefs.

Against her will and without her consent, parts of her body were exposed in public. How many of those downplaying the incident would be happy to have their body exposed involuntarily in public?

I'm not religious in any way, but am genuinely astounded, and pretty disturbed, to see the level of indifference to this attack in this thread.

I'm sure you contacted the UK authorities with your information in regards to the motivation of alleged attack ?

Jayop

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

What about whataboutery?

You really don't know what that means do you?

Arthur.beaker

SimonTemplar wrote: »

If a white English women was walking down a London street, and two men tried to remove her skirt, would people question if it was worthy of a BBC news article?

So we are back to the contrived sexualised comparisons?

SimonTemplar

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

I don't believe this and the use of 'could be' is suspicious.

What?

Please describe your knowledge or experience of the Muslim culture that has led you to not believe my assumption.

lawlolawl

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

I don't believe this and the use of 'could be' is suspicious.

You're right, they just make sure to wear a hijab in public at all times for fun. You can whip the thing right off them and they'll have a great laugh with you about it.

Holy **** dude. Are you ok?

muddypaws

If this was a nun wearing a full habit, and they pulled the Coif off her head would the posters who think this isn't a big deal think the same about that?

Arthur.beaker

lawlolawl wrote: »

You're right, they just make sure to wear a hijab in public at all times for fun. You can whip the thing right off them and they'll have a great laugh with you about it.

Holy **** dude. Are you ok?

We have posters here claiming it is the same as exposing a woman's breasts. Do you stand by that comparison?

Arthur.beaker

Jayop wrote: »

You really don't know what that means do you?

Reported for trolling.

darkpagandeath

lawlolawl wrote: »

I'm going to go out and find everyone who is ok with what happened to this woman in this thread and expose their private bits to the world because apparently that's perfectly ok now.

HINT FOR IDIOTS: 'Private bits' means different things to different cultures.

Why don't Muslim men Wear the Hijab if it's such a part of the Religions and the book it's from. Lets leave aside the forcing of women to wear it though threats of violence. And reprisals of the neighbourhood men.

Arthur.beaker

SimonTemplar wrote: »

What?

Please describe your knowledge or experience of the Muslim culture that has led you to not believe my assumption.

For a start your use of 'could be'. Either it is the case or not. Which is it? Or are you exaggerating for effect?

darkpagandeath

SimonTemplar wrote: »

To you and me and most western women, exposing the face is meaningless.

To a Muslim women wearing a hijab, exposing her head could be just as distressing as a western women having her breasts exposed.

Different cultures. We can't judge every person by our own cultural norms and standards.

No it's not, It's not in the Book they take teaching from. It's from the lads on the pointy hats. Who like to oppress women. And treat them as property.

SimonTemplar

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

So we are back to the contrived sexualised comparisons?

Of course not. I picked a typical piece of female attire that a non-muslim women would typically wear to best describe a similar attack on a non-muslim woman.

You obviously have a grossly differing opinion to me which can't be changed. Either way, for the sake of my anger levels which are rising every time I have to reply to you, let's agree to differ.

Sleeper12

Arthur.beaker wrote:

But it is okay to overplay it by making it headline news?

I remember when there could be an earthquake killing hundreds but princess Diana would make front page news. How is a hate/religious crime not news worthy?

Arthur.beaker

SimonTemplar wrote: »

I can't believe we are having this debate. I mean, come on!

A woman was attacked in London. The BBC reported it because it has a remit to report news. Crime is news. Always has been.

What is the problem?!

So every attack that occurred in London the same day was reported by the BBC. That is your contention, right? Just so we are clear.

lawlolawl

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

We have posters here claiming it is the same as exposing a woman's breasts. Do you stand by that comparison?

Yeah i stand by it.

Go out and pull down the top of your average western European woman and see what happens to you. I'm sure they'll understand and say/do nothing about it the same as a Muslim woman should about her hijab being interfered with according to you.

Are you seriously that thick that you don't understand the difference between the different cultures we have living in Ireland now?

darkpagandeath

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No it's not, It's not in the Book they take teaching from. It's from the lads on the pointy hats. Who like to oppress women. And treat them as property.

But it doesn't matter why she was wearing it, or even if she was another religion wearing a headscarf, grabbing people on the street and removing some of their clothing is wrong.
End of.

Arthur.beaker

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Of course not. I picked a typical piece of female attire that a non-muslim women would typically wear to best describe a similar attack on a non-muslim woman.

You obviously have a grossly differing opinion to me which can't be changed. Either way, for the sake of my anger levels which are rising every time I have to reply to you, let's agree to differ.

No, you attempted to sexualise it. A comparable item of clothing would be hat or head scarf.

darkpagandeath

lawlolawl wrote: »

Yeah i stand by it.

Go out and pull down the top of your average western European woman and see what happens to you. I'm sure they'll understand and say/do nothing about it the same as a Muslim woman should about her hijab being interfered with.

Are you seriously that thick that you don't understand the difference between the different cultures we have living in Ireland now?

Who got their top pulled down ?

Arthur.beaker

lawlolawl wrote: »

Yeah i stand by it.

Go out and pull down the top of your average western European woman and see what happens to you. I'm sure they'll understand and say/do nothing about it the same as a Muslim woman should about her hijab being interfered with according to you.

Are you seriously that thick that you don't understand the difference between the different cultures we have living in Ireland now?

So this is the same as a sexual assault in your mind?

Arthur.beaker

lawlolawl wrote: »

Yeah i stand by it.

Go out and pull down the top of your average western European woman and see what happens to you. I'm sure they'll understand and say/do nothing about it the same as a Muslim woman should about her hijab being interfered with according to you.

Are you seriously that thick that you don't understand the difference between the different cultures we have living in Ireland now?

Reported. Attack the post, not the poster.

Nervous Wreck

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You have no idea could be 2 idiots passing time daring each other to knock the next persons hat off that come along.

That's immaterial. Two grown men pulled an article of clothing off a lone woman's body. That is assault and intimidation. The article of clothing or religion of the woman doesn't impact on that; it is a crime in and of itself. The possibility of it being racially motivated may add a further aspect to the crime but even if this is not in any way racially motivated, it is still a crime. Why does that need to be explained?

darkpagandeath

bubblypop wrote: »

But it doesn't matter why she was wearing it, or even if she was another religion wearing a headscarf, grabbing people on the street and removing some of their clothing is wrong.
End of.

I tend to not like women being subjugated and treated as property and people just going meh. The reason behind it is entirely related to the religion. Why don't the Men wear it ? You must be outraged that it's not an = status item ?

Sleeper12

Arthur.beaker wrote:

So every attack that occurred in London the same day was reported by the BBC. That is your contention, right? Just so we are clear.

Wayne Rooney scores a goal (or not) and that is newsworthy? But BBC didn't report every goal scored that day. Come on if you don't have an argument there's no need to be totally silly with your comments

darkpagandeath

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

That's immaterial. Two grown men pulled an article of clothing off a lone woman's body. That is assault and intimidation. The article of clothing or religion of the woman doesn't impact on that; it is a crime in and of itself. The possibility of it being racially motivated may add a further aspect to the crime but even if this is not in any way racially motivated, it is still a crime. Why does that need to be explained?

Hate crime in the Article off the bat. Also Islam is not a race.

Arthur.beaker

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I remember when there could be an earthquake killing hundreds but princess Diana would make front page news. How is a hate/religious crime not news worthy?

How is it more newsworthy than a sexual assault or a serious physical assault?

SimonTemplar

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

We have posters here claiming it is the same as exposing a woman's breasts. Do you stand by that comparison?

But it isn't for you to determine how that woman feels about such an incident.

How the hell can you sit here and say that that woman in London doesn't feel the same level of distress and shame that a western women would feel if her breasts were exposed. I certainly don't know, hence my use of 'could be'.

All we know is that the MET did say she was shocked and distressed, which to me suggests a particular nasty event for her to endure.

Nervous Wreck

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I tend to not like women being subjugated and treated as property and people just going meh. The reason behind it is entirely related to the religion. Why don't the Men wear it ? You must be outraged that it's not an = status item ?

But you're okay with them being assaulted in the street?

Irish Guitarist

The consensus on this forum seems to be that if you're not beaten within an inch of your life it's not an assault and you should put up with it.

A couple of years ago there was a thread about a man in Dublin who threw a scumbag who had pissed on his shoes over some railings. The general consensus was that this man had no right to defend himself and should have just let the scumbag continue pissing on his shoes.

As far as I'm concerned physically invading someones personal space is an assault.

Skylinehead

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Reported for trolling.

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Reported. Attack the post, not the poster.

Mod: Don't backseat mod, and don't call other users trolls on thread. Thanks

Nervous Wreck

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Hate crime in the Article off the bat. Also Islam is not a race.

What's your point?

Arthur.beaker

SimonTemplar wrote: »

But it isn't for you to determine how that woman feels about such an incident.

How the hell can you sit here and say that that woman in London doesn't feel the same level of distress and shame that a western women would feel if her breasts were exposed. I certainly don't know, hence my use of 'could be'.

All we know is that the MET did say she was shocked and distressed, which to me suggests a particular nasty event for her to endure.

And no one else in London was shocked or distressed that particularly day by the actions of someone else?

darkpagandeath

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

But you're okay with them being assaulted in the street?

Link ?

darkpagandeath

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I tend to not like women being subjugated and treated as property and people just going meh. The reason behind it is entirely related to the religion. Why don't the Men wear it ? You must be outraged that it's not an = status item ?

I actually know women who wear one.
Intelligent, outgoing women.
And they choose to wear it.
It doesn't matter a damn in this case anyway, do you think that strangers should be allowed to pull clothes off women or men, in the street?

darkpagandeath

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

What's your point?

The article of clothing or religion of the woman doesn't impact on that

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lawlolawl

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Who got their top pulled down ?

That's not the point and you know that.

Muslim women wear a burka/hijab for a reason. There are certain parts of a woman that they consider taboo to be exposed to public view, much like (buh-buh-wha?!?!) a pair of exposed tits is in western culture. It isn't on you or any other internet hardman mouthbreather to start pulling at the thing covering them because you don't think them exposing their face/hair isn't something sexual/taboo to you.

Leave them alone. Their beliefs and dresscode has nothing to do with me,you or anyone beyond any authorities that might want to identify them.

darkpagandeath

bubblypop wrote: »

I actually know women who wear one.
Intelligent, outgoing women.
And they choose to wear it.
It doesn't matter a damn in this case anyway, do you think that strangers should be allowed to pull clothes off women or men, in the street?

She can enter the mosque without it ?

darkpagandeath

lawlolawl wrote: »

That's not the point and you know that.

Muslim women wear a burka/hijab for a reason. There are certain parts of a woman that they consider taboo to be exposed to public view, much like (buh-buh-wha?!?!) a pair of exposed tits is in western culture. It isn't on you or any other internet hardman mouthbreather to start pulling at the thing covering them because you don't think them exposing their face/hair isn't something sexual/taboo to you.

Leave them alone. Their beliefs and dresscode has nothing to do with me,you or anyone beyond any authorities that might want to identify them.

I have lived in the ME thanks.

Sleeper12

Arthur.beaker wrote:

How is it more newsworthy than a sexual assault or a serious physical assault?

First off I didn't say it was. Second off it could be as bad as a sexual assault to this victim. You don't seem to have any idea what showing her head to another man can mean to a Muslim lady

mfceiling

Ordinary peaceful Muslims will now become targets for hate on account of the nut jobs.

Unfortunately these attacks will become more commonplace.

anewme

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

And no one else in London was shocked or distressed that particularly day by the actions of someone else?

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

We are talking about THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT.

Your reasoning and justification of this incident is very strange.

Nervous Wreck

darkpagandeath wrote: »

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Again, what's your point?

darkpagandeath

darkpagandeath wrote: »

She can enter the mosque without it ?

You're deliberately avoiding the question. The thread is not about Islam, or the rules of it.
Do you think that strangers have the right to take clothes off ANYONE in the street?

darkpagandeath

Sleeper12 wrote: »

First off I didn't say it was. Second off it could be as bad as a sexual assault to this victim. You don't seem to have any idea what showing her head to another man can mean to a Muslim lady

Mind readers now ? I know fully what they are taught to think by the lads in the pointy hats shame.

darkpagandeath

bubblypop wrote: »

You're deliberately avoiding the question. The thread is not about Islam, or the rules of it.
Do you think that strangers have the right to take clothes off ANYONE in the street?

Prey tell where I have said that ?

lawlolawl

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I have lived in the ME thanks.

And that has what to do with my post?

Sleeper12

Arthur.beaker wrote:

And no one else in London was shocked or distressed that particularly day by the actions of someone else?

What have you against Muslims? Why is this hate crime not important enough to be on the news? Just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it's not important