Seamus Power - PGA Tour Winner 2021/22

Speak Now

Motivator wrote: »

I think he’s only guaranteed 2 starts out of those 5 regular tour events though so he needs to keep the foot down now. The beauty of the British open being on means a huge number inside the top 125 will be playing it giving this further down the rankings a chance to pick up some points. There’ll be a smaller number of points on offer that week but any points will do at this stage.

The brain isn’t working so well this morning, I forgot the British open is a FedEx cup event.

Should be guaranteed 3, Barracuda is on same week at St Jude. Wouldn't be surprised if he got into all 5 though but that would mean only week off is Olympic week. Maybe if he got 4 it would suit, no point in being panned out either.

PARlance

amlinopta wrote: »

Only got in to the tournament as an alternate on Tuesday. Great performance, one dropped shot in 72 holes. A full card would be huge, looks like 5 regular tour events left to climb into the top 125.

That's the kind of perspective the thread needs more of tbh.

The expectations on here are crazy at times. He's a 34 year old golfer who is somewhere along the line of being good enough or not, to compete on the PGA Tour. That's not a slight on him, it's an amazing achievement in itself but reading this thread at times you would think he is a generational talent, who can't make a birdie putt or who can't finish out a tournament.

As you say, he only got in by an invite. A Top 10 finish and hiss other good finishes of late should be seen as a great achievement from a guy doing his best to grind out a card under immense pressure.

Keano

greyday wrote: »

Credit to him for going for it on 17, showing some balls for a serial bottler today.

There adding to a debate and there is this nonsense, again. Either clean up your act or you'll not be posting in this thread again.

Motivator

PARlance wrote: »

That's the kind of perspective the thread needs more of tbh.

The expectations on here are crazy at times. He's a 34 year old golfer who is somewhere along the line of being good enough or not, to compete on the PGA Tour. That's not a slight on him, it's an amazing achievement in itself but reading this thread at times you would think he is a generational talent, who can't make a birdie putt or who can't finish out a tournament.

As you say, he only got in by an invite. A Top 10 finish and hiss other good finishes of late should be seen as a great achievement from a guy doing his best to grind out a card under immense pressure.

I think 99% of the people on this thread are serious enough golf fans to recognise what Seamus Power is doing. There’s 156 players that tee it up on a Thursday on the PGA Tour, for him to be one of those players and to be even be competing is a fantastic achievement. For him to be making cuts and earning money on a weekly basis is an even better achievement again.

Seamus can be classed as a journeyman or whatever term some want to use to describe him but at the end of the day, he’s an elite player whatever way people want to look at it. I’m fully convinced he’s a tour winner in waiting. I would never refer to him or any other player as a bottler because winning a tour event is one of the hardest things to do in golf. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. We all want to see Seamus doing well, the odd lunatic that comes on here to knock him or gloat about him making a mistake doesn’t detract from his achievements or his abilities.

In his last four tournaments he’s a combined 48 under par, his stats have all improved week on week and hopefully his performance over the last few days can ease some of the pressure on him mentally. He’s got the game to win, it’s his self belief that probably holds him back but to get around that course with 1 dropped shot in 4 days that surely puts him in a great place going into this week‘s event.

slave1

He's a great example that life as a PGA pro is not easy, he's finding it tough, had luck on his side a few years in a row around the 125mark and is digging and fighting now for that tour card.
Gritty stuff

Panrich

He's currently in the best form of his career on tour. He has risen to be in contention to regain his tour card and will still probably be kicking himself that he hasn't already made it. Apart from this weekend, he has finished lower than he really should have in the past few weeks, so even though his stats look very very good, they're not flattering him at all.

I hope that he can continue his good form as his confidence must surely be at an all time high and wouldn't it be great to see him get over the line. I have a sneaky feeling that a win is coming and that he might actually win by surging through with a great final round soon.

The Big Easy

Think that final round without any mistakes and finishing strong will be huge for his confidence going forward.

You'd have to hope he takes advantage of his great form at the moment with a top 5 or better to cement his position. He obviously can't continue this form indefinitely, no golfer does. A win next week would be the job and qualify him for the Open, I think they have a couple of spots for top 10 finishers who aren't already qualified like the Irish Open.

Get his card back and a trip to the Open in the same week would be pretty special, and with his current form who knows.

I wish him good luck anyway and fair play to him for digging out his best stuff when he really needs it.

Speak Now

The Big Easy wrote: »

Think that final round without any mistakes and finishing strong will be huge for his confidence going forward.

You'd have to hope he takes advantage of his great form at the moment with a top 5 or better to cement his position. He obviously can't continue this form indefinitely, no golfer does. A win next week would be the job and qualify him for the Open, I think they have a couple of spots for top 10 finishers who aren't already qualified like the Irish Open.

Get his card back and a trip to the Open in the same week would be pretty special, and with his current form who knows.

I wish him good luck anyway and fair play to him for digging out his best stuff when he really needs it.

Just the one spot at the John Deere for the Open, highest finisher in top 5 not exempt.

Motivator

300 FedEx points on offer for the John Deere this week but still a pile of money on offer with $1.1m to the winner. Big chance for Seamus to push on, he must be flying confidence wise and his finishes the last 4 starts are very encouraging. I keep going back to his weekend rounds in Detroit - 69, 67 with no dropped shot is some scoring. In my view he’s the form player on the PGA Tour at the minute and reading his comments after his final round yesterday he was a bit disappointed he didn’t go lower.

Deeper Blue

I see he's quite high up in the betting this week, only 7 players with shorter odds than him. Based on how he's played recently I'm not surprised.

Motivator

Deeper Blue wrote: »

I see he's quite high up in the betting this week, only 7 players with shorter odds than him. Based on how he's played recently I'm not surprised.

While this obviously reflects the strength of the field and takes his current good form into account, he’s a terrible price. Seamus has played the John Deere three times. - T16th was his best finish so not sure if he loves the course but he has made the cut three times. He hasn’t come into a tournament in as good form as he is doing this week so you just never know. He is getting closer...

Innish_Rebel

Motivator wrote: »

Seamus can be classed as a journeyman or whatever term some want to use to describe him but at the end of the day, he’s an elite player whatever way people want to look at it.

I totally agree - I don't think this can be overstated how good these guys are. Rick Shields on youTube/podcast had a very interesting bit there recently where he spent some time with James Robinson who's flitted on/off the European tour but is gone full time teaching pro now. Rick was saying this guy was on a totally different level to the other guys he's played with etc... but still not at solid (European) tour level, which really spelt it out to him how good the guys on both tours are.


Also played recently with Min Woo Lee from Australia & a couple of amateurs of +5, I found his perspective of these guys levels was refreshing.

slave1

When you see in person how "slow" these guys swing and the contact noise at impact you realise they're on a different planet

Motivator

Funnily enough I saw an article about the Korn Ferry Tour yesterday, there was a qualifier being played and a +2 handicap golfer shot the worst round of the year in those qualifiers which was an 88. There’s calls to lower the handicap mark for qualifiers for the Korn Ferry following it. These guys are on a different planet. I brought my wife with me to Mount Juliet on Sunday and she commented on how easy they make things look. Effortlessly driving a ball 290+ yards and she asked if it looks that easy why isn’t everyone doing it. All I could do was laugh.

We have young lads in our club that are +1 and +2 golfers and while they’re exceptionally good club golfers, they will never make the grade. Even to get a scholarship is nigh on impossible. When US colleges recruit players for scholarships, they use a scoring system to evaluate a player. To even get on a US colleges shortlist a player needs to hit 75% of the criteria and they work on the rest when they get the player over there. We had a young lad in our club a couple of years ago that was a +4 golfer and he didn’t make any shortlists for any college over there.

PokeHerKing

Anyone know what Lowry was off when he won the Irish open?

Motivator

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Anyone know what Lowry was off when he won the Irish open?

+5 I think, I could be wrong though.

tayto lover

slave1 wrote: »

He's a great example that life as a PGA pro is not easy, he's finding it tough, had luck on his side a few years in a row around the 125mark and is digging and fighting now for that tour card.
Gritty stuff

I didn’t see too much of him over the weekend but from what I did see his putting seems to have been much better, hence the better scoring.
Fair play to him. I really hope he gets his tour card. Hard work works.

Mantis Toboggan

Would he have earned a few million at this stage? Winnings and sponsorships?

tobsey

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Would he have earned a few million at this stage? Winnings and sponsorships?

https://www.pgatour.com/players/player.28252.seamus-power.html

3.3m in career earnings. He has as many top 10s this season as he's ever had. He is on course for his most lucrative year on the PGA Tour but needs a couple of more decent finishes to get his card.

He's probably made some additional sponsorship money but not sure how much.

Speak Now

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Would he have earned a few million at this stage? Winnings and sponsorships?

$3.6 million between PGA and Korn Ferry tour.

Mantis Toboggan

Speak Now wrote: »

$3.6 million between PGA and Korn Ferry tour.

Probably needs another couple of million to be set for life.

DuckSlice

Speak Now wrote: »

$3.6 million between PGA and Korn Ferry tour.

If what James Robinson said is true on Rick Shiels podcast That's about 1.2million in his pocket.

Scrabbel

Very good Tengolf interview here from last Thursday - interesting insights on where his game is at. Mentions a recent putting grip change. Also elbow surgery in Autumn meant that he only got back to proper practice in Feb or so. Puts his form in even better light.

https://youtu.be/wMq40nfF2nw

blackwhite

Read an article last year that estimated that the players expenditures are typically $5k per week for a tournament - before factoring in prize money.
On top of that, the fee for Monday qualifying is something like $400 a pop.

Prize money is then reduced by the Caddie's share (typically 5-10%) and State Income Tax of whatever state is hosting the tournament (anything from 4-20% depending on the State, with 9 States having zero State income tax).

Easily run up $150k+ of expenditure across the season that takes a big bite out of the prize money

DuckSlice

blackwhite wrote: »

Read an article last year that estimated that the players expenditures are typically $5k per week for a tournament - before factoring in prize money.
On top of that, the fee for Monday qualifying is something like $400 a pop.

Prize money is then reduced by the Caddie's share (typically 5-10%) and State Income Tax of whatever state is hosting the tournament (anything from 4-20% depending on the State, with 9 States having zero State income tax).

Easily run up $150k+ of expenditure across the season that takes a big bite out of the prize money

James Robinson said, and i know this is in europe, that the golfer will see 33% of their winnings, the rest is tax/expenses etc etc.

blackwhite

DuckSlice wrote: »

James Robinson said, and i know this is in europe, that the golfer will see 33% of their winnings, the rest is tax/expenses etc etc.

I don't like when they talk in percentages, because there's a good chunk of the expenditure is relatively fixed. Flights, accomodation, caddy's basic pay, etc. don't change whether you miss the cut or whether you win the tournament. The only costs that increase based on prize money are the caddy's performance bonus and the taxes.

I get that the 33% is reflective of the "average" tour player in Europe, but for the likes of Seamus Power who is more focused on making entry lists and then making cuts just to make a living the fixed costs are really the critical thing.

Motivator

There was a very good podcast I listened to two or three years ago that went through the numbers. The average PGA tour players expenses are around $250,000 per year. That’s the average, I can’t remember who did the report but I’ll try and find the podcast. It’s worth noting that the figure was based on a caddie being on a retainer rather than the prize money percentage agreement. Because players and caddies are very private about their arrangements it was impossible to work out the actual figures.

Player sponsorships will cover some of the costs but don’t forget that the majority of sponsorship deals will be performance related with little of the agreed number being guaranteed upfront. Obviously each player is different and will have different deals and different performance expectations from their sponsors so again it’s impossible to work out their income from their sponsor deals.

blackwhite

Motivator wrote: »

There was a very good podcast I listened to two or three years ago that went through the numbers. The average PGA tour players expenses are around $250,000 per year. That’s the average, I can’t remember who did the report but I’ll try and find the podcast. It’s worth noting that the figure was based on a caddie being on a retainer rather than the prize money percentage agreement. Because players and caddies are very private about their arrangements it was impossible to work out the actual figures.

Player sponsorships will cover some of the costs but don’t forget that the majority of sponsorship deals will be performance related with little of the agreed number being guaranteed upfront. Obviously each player is different and will have different deals and different performance expectations from their sponsors so again it’s impossible to work out their income from their sponsor deals.

On the caddy fees, from what I've heard nearly all are on a base retainer plus a % of winnings. Miss a cut, or even make the cut and finish last of the weekend players, and there's a good chance that the caddy makes more than the player

OEP

blackwhite wrote: »

On the caddy fees, from what I've heard nearly all are on a base retainer plus a % of winnings. Miss a cut, or even make the cut and finish last of the weekend players, and there's a good chance that the caddy makes more than the player

Maybe for the top players and their caddies but I don't think that's the case for the others

blackwhite

OEP wrote: »

Maybe for the top players and their caddies but I don't think that's the case for the others

Surely the other way around I'd have thought? Can't see many caddies being willing to work without a guaranteed weekly minimum unless they're on the bag of the top 20 or so earners.


Anything I've read (and it's been PGA tour-slanted usually) has said the most common arrangement is a weekly retainer, plus a % of winnings with the % increasing for finishes about a certain place (usually top 10).


Either way - getting way off the topic of Seamus Power at this stage

Rigor Mortis

Unfortunate that the down time happened during the John Deere. His performance on the back nine of round 3, told you a lot about character. between 9 and 12 he nearly imploded and then he got his head together and got the round back on track. That sets the platform for another great finish and up in to the top 125.

Great chance this weekend.

The Big Easy

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117611938#Comment_117611938

Just unfortunate he couldn't make one the three good birdie looks he gave himself on the last three greens, could've been the week that cemented his card and a bonus trip to the Open.

He showed and has been showing incredible character I agree and is in arguably the form of his life, one more good week and he's secure for next year.

A win isn't out of the question with the way he's playing currently either.

Rikand

He's the bookies favourite to win this weekend.

coylemj

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117615585#Comment_117615585

That makes no sense. As as of the start of the Barbasol, there are 15 players who are higher up the FexEx table than Seamus. Five of them are in the top 100.

Click the 'starting' header under 'FedEx' on the leaderboard banner and you'll see the players ranked by their position on the FedEx table .....

https://www.pgatour.com/competition/2021/barbasol-championship/leaderboard.html

OEP

Not saying I agree with the favourite tag but he probably has the best form in the field.

Deeper Blue

The bookies are seldom wrong, he's favourite for a reason, one of the most in form players on the planet at present

Deeper Blue

-6 and no bogies through 17 holes today, 2 off the lead

Edit: Birdied the 18th too, finished -7, currently one off the lead

kowloonkev

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117591668#Comment_117591668

I don't mean to say he will achieve anything like Kuchar has done in the game. What I mean is that he could be able to achieve the same level of consistency, albeit a level below Kuchar. I could see Seamus being a consistent top 25 player in regular tour events. Not sure he has what it takes to win but he has the game to earn a huge amount of money even if he doesn't win. He seems to be playing with more freedom now and the self belief that he belongs.

Euphoriasean

Another super round from Seamie. Really is playing great stuff at the moment. Confidence must be at an all time high & another good finish looking in store. Would love to see him get the win.

coillcam

Great to see another fantastic round from the "bottler". Who even came up with that stuff?

The man is in great form and long may it continue. The PGA tour is absolutely shark-infested waters and there's no room for bottlers on that tour. If you can get the starts or even a tour card you are 100%, not a bottler.

joebloggs32

Its safe to say had he been playing on a full card this year he'd likely be well inside the top 100 of the fed ex by now. To be currently ranked in the top 125 is impressive considering he has been working off limited starts.

Deeper Blue

I don't see enough of Seamus on the coverage so it's hard to give an opinion on his game but looking at the stats his putting seems to have improved massively.

He's gone from being around the 200 mark in strokes gained putting to inside the top 100. That's a big jump.

Interestingly he's 35th in total strokes gained on the tour. I believe that may be skewed by the amount and difficulty of the events he's played though. But impressive nonetheless.

Seamus off to a flyer in round two of the Barbasol Championship in Kentucky. A birdie-birdie start and now top of the leaderboard on his own at 9 under. Keep it lit Seamus!!

fullstop

Could this be the week?!

spacecoyote

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117619259#Comment_117619259

Pretty sure he switched his putter grip at the start of the season (to claw??) and was saying hes now getting comfortable with it

Rikand

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117621647#Comment_117621647

I refuse to let myself believe it possible

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117621647#Comment_117621647

I hope so.

bigtimecharlie

Won't get a better chance than this opportunity.

The Big Easy

A win obviously is the target but as someone looking in from the outside, would be satisfied with him closing out really strongly and securing the top 3-5 that has been right there for him the last few weeks.

A win is certainly not out of the question I feel though.

Mushy

Start with a birdie again, hopefully get a few more. Leader (Hahn) shot a 60 so is in at -17