Champions Day Ascot 2016

NaiveMelodies

Perfect ride by Moore. Best flat jockey in the business.

Mgoraf

One of the best fillies I've seen

Nulty

I don't think Minding gets the respect she deserves. 7 Group 1 wins is an incredible achievement. Placed in two others with excuses.

I mean she has far more detractors and doubters than you'd expect

longshotvalue

Mgoraf wrote: »

One of the best fillies I've seen

Some filly. A true miler who just had the class to win over further.

Lt Dan

Nulty wrote: »

I don't think Minding gets the respect she deserves. 7 Group 1 wins is an incredible achievement. Placed in two others with excuses.

I mean she has far more detractors and doubters than you'd expect

I am not sure anyone has ever said anything bad or critical about her. Maybe you are right. Easily the only true nomination for European Horse of the Year, nevermind Best 3 year old filly or Best Filly. Would not bat an eyelid regarding what Timeform et all say. As Jim Bolger says "ah sure, they are wrong , they are always wrong"

My God Group 1 at 7,8,9 (Nassau), and at 12 furlongs. Ignore the Irish Guineas completely excusable. Moore said himself that he gave her an awful ride in the Oaks and she still won brilliantly. Never any shame coming 3rd against the Boys in her first race against them at the Irish Stakes - sure he was on the go with little of a break by then

Things have gone so well for APO'B he could have had 1-2-3-4 in the Arc if she went. Wisely, they gave her a break

Imagine, when she was 2, the Lads had been putting their hopes on the well named Ballydoyle and Coolmore. Had her for the Moyglare last year

Please god she will be back next year.

Took a chance on Jack Hobbs at 12-1. Hopefully he is as good as he was before injury

BorneTobyWilde

I like Maverick Wave to be a surprise .

at 250-1 it's a ew longshot

What I like is it ran a good race over this distance last time out, ran in a good time on this ground.

1pt ew at 250-1 3.45

Nulty

Two in the last.

Zhui Feng on the near side I think back at a mile with his forward pace will suit. Champion jockey to get a winner on the big occassion?

Master Of The World is interesting at a price. His career best came in a mile handicap at Glorious Goodwood and run well at Ascot on both visits

hudhastings

Ryan moore found out im on Fav

Peintre Celebre

US army ranger and jack Hobbs are two of the worst prices I remember for a long time

Johner

Classy performance that.

Mgoraf

Great race. Top first two are fantastic horses

Unreal for found to put another performance like that in

longshotvalue

aidankkk wrote: »

Also on hit it a bomb.

Also added don't touch ew 66-1. 4 places and grey gatsby 50/1 ew w/o fav..

F**k both dont touch and grey gatsby nutted for a place at huge huge prices.still they were a fun watch

Nulty

SkyBet 5 places in the last BTW

longshotvalue

logged into betfair and discovered i had backed master of the world instead at 48 of my selection Bronze Angel. fingers crossed. Im also on highland colori at a huge 80

racso1975

if highland colori winns i'll be sick

Nulty

Not too bad a mistake I don't think but we'll soon find out

Sea Wolf for me

tipptom

UrbanFret wrote: »

Howler from Moore ,no other way to describe it. No doubt he'll blame the lack of pace for the defeat. Seems to **** up more often at ascot than anywhere else. Unlike a certain Italian!

Did not Back OOSG but it was a terrible ride.


Dettori would have made the decision to have the horse in a better order after analysing the pace.
I am not saying the either horse would have won for sure but they would have been a lot closer with other jockeys aboard.


This has happened to many times this year and he seems to have got away with it without criticism for some reason.

At least McCoy had the balls to say when he rode the winner today that "Im sure if he had the opportunity to ride them two races again he would have ridden them differently".


Maybe if he turned up and rode a bit of work at Ballydoyle he may get to know a bit more about the horses.

moneymore

Is there any website or app where I can watch todays racing at Ascot without having to buy a subscription?

longshotvalue

moneymore wrote: »

Is there any website or app where I can watch todays racing at Ascot without having to buy a subscription?

Sporting life. You just have to quick sign up for a sky bet account and u can watch all replays going back years .

uxiant

moneymore wrote: »

Is there any website or app where I can watch todays racing at Ascot without having to buy a subscription?

You can watch them on Bet365 if you have an account or Sportinglife if you have a Skybet account free of charge. Not sure if they're up on Youtube.

moneymore

aidankkk wrote: »

Sporting life. You just have to quick sign up for a sky bet account and u can watch all replays going back years .

Perfect, thanks Aidan

Lt Dan

tipptom wrote: »

Did not Back OOSG but it was a terrible ride.


Dettori would have made the decision to have the horse in a better order after analysing the pace.
I am not saying the either horse would have won for sure but they would have been a lot closer with other jockeys aboard.


This has happened to many times this year and he seems to have got away with it without criticism for some reason.

At least McCoy had the balls to say when he rode the winner today that "Im sure if he had the opportunity to ride them two races again he would have ridden them differently".


Maybe if he turned up and rode a bit of work at Ballydoyle he may get to know a bit more about the horses.

Surprised that he gets away with that. Even Lester and Pat Eddery went over regularly.

It is not like he has the remotest interest of competing for a Jockey's title in the UK and it is not like Stoute is doing much in the big races (still good number of wins and strike rate).

He has wanted to ride all over the world in big races and not to be handed down scraps as second choice from O'Brien (which he has done fantastically, a few Breeder Cups and even a few classics on apparent second choice horses) His kids are still young. It is not like Tipperary is a million miles away, contrary to the song. It is not like Newmarket is a lively place either. He could easily have his accommodation looked after by the lads and still go over for other rides on a Saturday to keep sharp.

Considering he is more than happy/ or feels the need to be away from his family during the winter in Japan and Hong Kong, relocating to Ireland is hardly a big stretch

No point having Seamie etc doing the ride outs when they are not going to be the main jockey at the weekend

tipptom

Lt Dan wrote: »

Surprised that he gets away with that. Even Lester and Pat Eddery went over regularly.

It is not like he has the remotest interest of competing for a Jockey's title in the UK and it is not like Stoute is doing much in the big races (still good number of wins and strike rate).

He has wanted to ride all over the world in big races and not to be handed down scraps as second choice from O'Brien (which he has done fantastically, a few Breeder Cups and even a few classics on apparent second choice horses) His kids are still young. It is not like Tipperary is a million miles away, contrary to the song. It is not like Newmarket is a lively place either. He could easily have his accommodation looked after by the lads and still go over for other rides on a Saturday to keep sharp.

Considering he is more than happy/ or feels the need to be away from his family during the winter in Japan and Hong Kong, relocating to Ireland is hardly a big stretch

No point having Seamie etc doing the ride outs when they are not going to be the main jockey at the weekend

Yeah,its strange to me to.
Saw a chart today on the jockeys championship and Crowley had ridden aprrox 140 winners with about 1.4m winnings,Moore had ridden about half that with 5.8m winnings!!!


Remember a story about Lester being over for a spot for Vincent and he having to rush away from Ballydoyle to ride in England after early work.


Vivian Rossiter was given the job of driving him to the airport and time was getting short flight wise.
Lester was getting agitated after a while and told Viv to put the boot down on an already fast travelling car.
An old clapped out Ford squad car came up behind them and made them pull over and the guard said to them that he has been "trying to keep up with them since Tipp town".


Lester leans his head across Vivs chest and says in his nasely mumbley voice"well you need to get a f*cking faster car then,dont you"?


The best in the world turned up to ride work there and he could easily come over once or twice commute a week for that sort of earnings,never mind his retainer.


Aiden and the boys seem to not mind it but I always think there is something strange about it and that Ballydoyle compromised on something like that,its not as if it is a big ask to come over for bit of work once a week for a couple of hours.


He would be back in blighty before Nina Carberry would be back in Kildare from Ballydoyle.

Lt Dan

tipptom wrote: »

Yeah,its strange to me to.
Saw a chart today on the jockeys championship and Crowley had ridden aprrox 140 winners with about 1.4m winnings,Moore had ridden about half that with 5.8m winnings!!!


Remember a story about Lester being over for a spot for Vincent and he having to rush away from Ballydoyle to ride in England after early work.


Vivian Rossiter was given the job of driving him to the airport and time was getting short flight wise.
Lester was getting agitated after a while and told Viv to put the boot down on an already fast travelling car.
An old clapped out Ford squad car came up behind them and made them pull over and the guard said to them that he has been "trying to keep up with them since Tipp town".


Lester leans his head across Vivs chest and says in his nasely mumbley voice"well you need to get a f*cking faster car then,dont you"?


The best in the world turned up to ride work there and he could easily come over once or twice commute a week for that sort of earnings,never mind his retainer.


Aiden and the boys seem to not mind it but I always think there is something strange about it and that Ballydoyle compromised on something like that,its not as if it is a big ask to come over for bit of work once a week for a couple of hours.


He would be back in blighty before Nina Carberry would be back in Kildare from Ballydoyle.

Here is the thing, Moore rarely goes racing during the week, unless he really has too. Even if he all of a sudden found the need to get some British racing in during the week , he could hop over and catch an evening meeting, stay for the next day and come back to Tipp as it is not like Coolmore would need him to ride out everyday. He would still be in the UK for most Saturdays during the season with O'Brien horses, and when O'Brien is not going over, he could still go over to the UK, as many of the good Irish racing is on Sundays

He specifically is on record for money about it not being worth the hassle ridding in class 5s etc. If he based himself in Ireland, he could compete for an Irish Championship with Smullen without (a) Having to ride 400 plus races (since he has a habit of getting injured over the years, that won't wear him down)that he normally rides in the UK and (b) Has less travelling as the country is not big (naturally he wouldn't touch Roscommon/Galway etc, just the main ones in Kildare and Tipp and Meath and Leoppy

Whatever about the horses he needs to get to known the Curragh a bit better.

Might sound like a bunch of Little Englanders not wanting to leave Blighty. Many other jockeys might give their left bollo*** to get an opportunity of riding regular Group 1 ALL OVER THE WORLD. It might end like it did with Murtagh and Kinane but , at least he would be a made man and could go back to obscurity (most of his main wins were with APOB anyway over the years, bar a handful of Breeders Cup and an Derby/Arc with Stoute) in England - he would be getting on by then, I would be surprised if he is ridding at 40 as he seems to pick up injuries and falls (a flat jockey ffs) qucikly

Great Story from Ballydoyle, if only those stories were well known

Gringo180

Not one mention about Almanzor in the thread. What an animal he is. Looks like he will relish the step up to 1m4f. He won with tonnes in hand today.

tryfix

Gringo180 wrote: »

Not one mention about Almanzor in the thread. What an animal he is. Looks like he will relish the step up to 1m4f. He won with tonnes in hand today.

True, though not so sure about the 12f because he's so good at 10f. Having said that, bar the front two 'twas an egg and spoon race of second raters because the English and Irish Derby type 3yo colts this year are very poor.

tryfix

Just on Ryan Moore, he had a big spell out of action. The guy might not be all that physically well and he might be rationing out his physical exertion so that he can just keep going.

Gregk961

tipptom wrote: »

Did not Back OOSG but it was a terrible ride.


Dettori would have made the decision to have the horse in a better order after analysing the pace.
I am not saying the either horse would have won for sure but they would have been a lot closer with other jockeys aboard.


This has happened to many times this year and he seems to have got away with it without criticism for some reason.

What a difference a couple of years makes. A comparison of Moore v Dettori would have been viewed as hysterical up until this season.

Only last year Moore was beyond criticism such was the quality of his riding. Only two years ago Dettori was becoming a bit of a joke, more than once I swerved a horse because he was booked to ride. He owes an awful lot to Gosden for giving him a chance, id say a lot of big trainers wouldn't have touched him at the time.

As for Moore yesterday I dont think there was a lot wrong with the rides on OOSG or Seventh Heaven. Both horses had shown blistering acceleration in the last two furlongs previously but yesterday failed to sparkle. You see it every year, exertions of a long season probably to blame, but the jockeys get the flack instead.

akelly02

Gregk961 wrote: »

What a difference a couple of years makes. A comparison of Moore v Dettori would have been viewed as hysterical up until this season.

Only last year Moore was beyond criticism such was the quality of his riding. Only two years ago Dettori was becoming a bit of a joke, more than once I swerved a horse because he was booked to ride. He owes an awful lot to Gosden for giving him a chance, id say a lot of big trainers wouldn't have touched him at the time.

As for Moore yesterday I dont think there was a lot wrong with the rides on OOSG or Seventh Heaven. Both horses had shown blistering acceleration in the last two furlongs previously but yesterday failed to sparkle. You see it every year, exertions of a long season probably to blame, but the jockeys get the flack instead.

OOSG certainly did not show blistering acceleration in the irushr leger or the arc.

Gregk961

akelly02 wrote: »

OOSG certainly did not show blistering acceleration in the irushr leger or the arc.

Fair enough but he finished like a train in the Gold Cup, at Ascot, albeit over a different trip.

Gringo180

tryfix wrote: »

True, though not so sure about the 12f because he's so good at 10f. Having said that, bar the front two 'twas an egg and spoon race of second raters because the English and Irish Derby type 3yo colts this year are very poor.

Jack Hobbs in 3rd is a high class colt and is one to look out for next season. Grey Gatsby as well has been very consistent in all the top races the last few years and is an Irish Champion Stakes winner. My Dream boat in 5th won the POW stakes. He beat the Arc winner by 2 lengths and he was literally just shaken up. This colt is the best of his generation and one of the best 10f horses in the last decade. Maybe doesnt get the credit he deserves as hes not bred by a Galileo, Dubawi or Frankel.

akelly02

Gregk961 wrote: »

Fair enough but he finished like a train in the Gold Cup, at Ascot, albeit over a different trip.

Hence whu over a shorter trip and slower pace he should have been ridden prominently, and take it up a good way out. Nobody going by him then.

uxiant

Gringo180 wrote: »

Jack Hobbs in 3rd is a high class colt and is one to look out for next season. Grey Gatsby as well has been very consistent in all the top races the last few years and is an Irish Champion Stakes winner. My Dream boat in 5th won the POW stakes. He beat the Arc winner by 2 lengths and he was literally just shaken up. This colt is the best of his generation and one of the best 10f horses in the last decade. Maybe doesnt get the credit he deserves as hes not bred by a Galileo, Dubawi or Frankel.

Almanzor may be top class because we haven't got to the bottom of him but the horses he's been beating are a fairly poor bunch for Group 1 level. The Grey Gatsby has regressed from his 3 year old season and My Dream Boat only beat an under cooked Found and the likes of Tryster and Western Hymn in the POW. Found won a poor Arc and has always came up short against proper colts like Golden Horn (unless on drugs) and Fascinating Rock. Jack Hobbs returned from several injuries so it's questionable whether he's the same animal he was at 3. Other horses he's beaten like New Bay have also regressed and although Highland Reel is an admirable performer he wasn't able to land a blow on horses like New Bay and Golden Horn last year.

Almanzor was very impressive and is easily the best horse of his generation but it's hard to argue against the view that he's beaten a poor bunch this season I think. Maybe that's the reason he doesn't get so much credit.

Peintre Celebre

How can anyone argue Almanzor isn't top class? He's won every race comfortably. Any horse around the 130 mark is top class

uxiant

I suppose it depends on how you interpret top class. Frankel (RPR 143), Sea The Stars (RPR 138), American Pharaoh (RPR 138), Treve (mare who ran to 131) etc are some of the horses who have shown top class form in recent years. You have to be approaching that level.

I do like Almanzor though and I hope he stays in training as it looks as if he has more to offer. Some of Rouget's recent Classic winners have gone backwards at 4 however although they were fillies.

Itziger

uxiant wrote: »

Almanzor may be top class because we haven't got to the bottom of him but the horses he's been beating are a fairly poor bunch for Group 1 level. The Grey Gatsby has regressed from his 3 year old season and My Dream Boat only beat an under cooked Found and the likes of Tryster and Western Hymn in the POW. Found won a poor Arc and has always came up short against proper colts like Golden Horn (unless on drugs) and Fascinating Rock. Jack Hobbs returned from several injuries so it's questionable whether he's the same animal he was at 3. Other horses he's beaten like New Bay have also regressed and although Highland Reel is an admirable performer he wasn't able to land a blow on horses like New Bay and Golden Horn last year.

Almanzor was very impressive and is easily the best horse of his generation but it's hard to argue against the view that he's beaten a poor bunch this season I think. Maybe that's the reason he doesn't get so much credit.

You can't eat your cake and have it. You mention two horses she's beaten and say 'she's come up short against the likes of'. What is the Fasc. Rock score? 2-1 to the colt? Or have there been other races?

uxiant

Itziger wrote: »

You can't eat your cake and have it. You mention two horses she's beaten and say 'she's come up short against the likes of'. What is the Fasc. Rock score? 2-1 to the colt? Or have there been other races?

2-1 I think but the only time she beat Fascinating Rock was when she had race fitness on her side. Fascinating Rock is notorious for badly needing the run and comfortably beat her twice in Group 1s.

Peintre Celebre

Almanzor ran to an RPR of 129 in the Irish champ. Not sure I'd be classing Fascinsting Rock as a proper horse and then bashing Almanzor in the same post. Fascinating Rock beaten by Success Days last time out is well below his level. FWIW Found was badly ridden in the champion last year and My Dream Boat did not beat her by two lengths at Ascot, he mugged her coming late down the outside

tryfix

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

How can anyone argue Almanzor isn't top class? He's won every race comfortably. Any horse around the 130 mark is top class

1 133 M-I D California Chrome (USA) 2011 H California Chrome LLC Art Sherman USA
2 129 M T A Shin Hikari (JPN) 2011 H Eishindo Co Ltd Masanori Sakaguchi JPN
2 129 I D Arrogate (USA) 2013 C Juddmonte Farms Inc Bob Baffert USA
4 127 I T Almanzor (FR) 2013 C Ecurie Antonio Caro Jean-Claude Rouget FR
4 127 M T Winx (AUS) 2011 M Magic Bloodstock Racing et al Chris Waller AUS
6 126 M D Frosted (USA) 2012 C Godolphin Kiaran McLaughlin USA
7 124 M T Maurice (JPN) 2011 H Kazumi Yoshida Noriyuki Hori JPN
7 124 I-L T Postponed (IRE) 2011 H Sheikh Mohammed Obaid Al Maktoum Roger Varian GB
7 124 I T Werther (NZ) 2011 G Johnson Chen John Moore HK
10 123 I T Fascinating Rock (IRE) 2011 H Newtown Anner Stud Farm Dermot Weld IRE
10 123 L T Flintshire (GB) 2010 H Juddmonte Farms Inc Chad Brown USA
10 123 L T Found (IRE) 2012 F M. Tabor, D. Smith & Mrs J. Magnier Aidan O'Brien IRE
10 123 I T Hartnell (GB) 2011 G Godolphin John O'Shea AUS
10 123 I D Nyquist (USA) 2013 C Reddam Racing LLC Doug O'Neill USA
10 123 M-I D Songbird (USA) 2013 F Fox Hill Farms Inc Jerry Hollendorfer USA
16 122 S T Chautauqua (AUS) 2010 G R & C Legh Racing, G P I Racing et al Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes AUS
16 122 M D Dortmund (USA) 2012 C Kaleem Shah Inc Bob Baffert USA
16 122 M T Galileo Gold (GB) 2013 C Al Shaqab Racing Hugo Palmer GB
16 122 L T Harzand (IRE) 2013 C H.H. Aga Khan Dermot Weld IRE
16 122 L T Highland Reel (IRE) 2012 C D. Smith, Mrs J. Magnier & M. Tabor Aidan O'Brien IRE
16 122 M T Limato (IRE) 2012 G Paul Jacobs Henry Candy GB
16 122 M T The Gurkha (IRE) 2013 C D. Smith, Mrs J. Magnier & M. Tabor Aidan O'Brien IRE

http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/WTRRankings/LWBRR.asp?batch=35

Steady on, there's no one saying he's not a worthy champion. The only point being made was that the chasing pack behind the front two weren't exactly world beaters by any stretch of the imagination and Found has never won a 10f race at a better level than Gp3 in her life.

He's well up to standard and probably just a little bit better than Golden Horn really was over 10f { ignore Golden Horn's Eclipse win and look at his Irish Champion Stakes win } , but he has a scything run which is a rare quality and hints that he has plenty up his sleeve.

To put a bit of perspective on yesterday's win, the worst horse in the field Maverick Wave OR 102 was beaten 8 1/4 lengths by Almanzor = 14.5lbs plus 102 = a 117 performance by Almanzor. Don't think he was that bad but did Maverick Wave really run to 113 in last place?

uxiant

He ran to an RPR of 126 in Irish Champion and 129 yesterday. Look he's obviously very classy but on form I'd still say he's short of the very top because I don't exactly rate those middle distance horses he's been beating. And that's possibly why he's not getting lauded for his exploits this season.

longshotvalue

uxiant wrote: »

2-1 I think but the only time she beat Fascinating Rock was when she had race fitness on her side. Fascinating Rock is notorious for badly needing the run and comfortably beat her twice in Group 1s.

Fascinating Rock's problem is he is trained by a trainer who just cant get his horse to the course other than Galway. It a joke how many of his have so little runs. (in fairness he does well when they do run but its immensely frustrating) There have been far to many for it to be a coincidence.

HarshOstrich

I think cirrus des aigles run against frankel in that race all them years ago would have been a couple lengths to good for almanzor

I mean A peak form CDA is better that almanzor in my opinion but CDA never got any real credit

Gringo180

akelly02 wrote: »

Hence whu over a shorter trip and slower pace he should have been ridden prominently, and take it up a good way out. Nobody going by him then.

Agree. His stamina won him that Gold Cup, he stayed on past horses that were tiring. He will make a good NH sire.

Gringo180

HarshOstrich wrote: »

I think cirrus des aigles run against frankel in that race all them years ago would have been a couple lengths to good for almanzor

I mean A peak form CDA is better that almanzor in my opinion but CDA never got any real credit

He would of won at least 1 Arc if he wasn't a gelding. He was a serious horse and on his day only superstars like Frankel or Sea The Stars would of beat him.

Lt Dan

tryfix wrote: »

Just on Ryan Moore, he had a big spell out of action. The guy might not be all that physically well and he might be rationing out his physical exertion so that he can just keep going.

He tends to be very injury prone, which is remarkable for a flat jockey. A number of years have gone by, pre Ballydoyle job, where someone won the jockey's title only for people to say "ah well, that was because Moore missed a chunk of the season"

Last season was unlucky of course because he was on a serious roll from 2014 and seemed apparent that he would have a similar year in 2015

Either way, ya would not see Ruby or AP take extended time off. Then again, how many races during the year do they ride in where the winner gets anything past half a million for a win and the success of their horse on the track could be the difference in thousands of quid at stud

Lt Dan

Gringo180 wrote: »

Jack Hobbs in 3rd is a high class colt and is one to look out for next season. Grey Gatsby as well has been very consistent in all the top races the last few years and is an Irish Champion Stakes winner. My Dream boat in 5th won the POW stakes. He beat the Arc winner by 2 lengths and he was literally just shaken up. This colt is the best of his generation and one of the best 10f horses in the last decade. Maybe doesnt get the credit he deserves as hes not bred by a Galileo, Dubawi or Frankel.

Does not get credit also, because, he is French. If he was English or Irish, Channel 4 would be creaming themselves. French Derby , Irish CS and British CS, great season. The owner has had a brilliant season, I assuming he is leading French Trainer this year as everyone else has been severely affected by bad form and the bug

Speaking of which, I know there is Equida, but what are the websites for French racing that cover Jockey's title etc (I know they have two websites for jockeys, Casaq (points based Championship ala British Champion Series?) and golden whip) - Not too worried about them being in French

Lt Dan

aidankkk wrote: »

Fascinating Rock's problem is he is trained by a trainer who just cant get his horse to the course other than Galway. It a joke how many of his have so little runs. (in fairness he does well when they do run but its immensely frustrating) There have been far to many for it to be a coincidence.

I always hate being critical of Weld.........but......... The Ramsey family sent their Breeders Cup winning sprinter, Bobby's Kitten to..........Weld , as they were hell bent on getting a Royal Ascot win. Word from ATR was they were threatening all sorts on their American trainers (taking horses off them) if they could not produce a runner. Weld? Tarafsha aside, since when was he a sprints king? Ahem, Eddie Lynam ? (Alexander Anthem, Slade Power, Sole Power.......)

Low and behold despite hating soft ground, out comes BK in a listed Cork race on heavy ground. Credit, despite big weight, boom BK won nicely. But, never to be seen again!

I accept that the quality of horses Juddmonte sent to him were not great (The sooner they give up on American breeds in Ireland or England (soft ground) the better eg Mizzen Mast/First Defence) but what happened to Discipine? A credit 2nd in the listed race - alas, had loads of weight allowance and O'Donoghue was easing his horse down on the line, but nothing after that, no run for the Irish Oaks or Munster Oaks. Alas her run in her last race was terrible though she ran into trouble. But he also gets Agha Khan now (which to be fair to him, he delivered) but he does get all of the big owners outside of Coolmore, bar Godolphin.

tryfix

aidankkk wrote: »

Fascinating Rock's problem is he is trained by a trainer who just cant get his horse to the course other than Galway. It a joke how many of his have so little runs. (in fairness he does well when they do run but its immensely frustrating) There have been far to many for it to be a coincidence.

You're fairly bang on the mark with the trainer but not for his handling of Fascinating Rock. He turned that tree into a masterpiece in 6 runs last year. Turning a horse who couldn't see which way Australia went in 2014 into an English Champion stakes winner at 4. Whatever happened to the horse this year ( won another Gp1 ) his overall record with good horses winning multiple races is usually poor but he can do wonders with hitting specific important targets with them. From a stallion making point of view he's able to get a big win out of some tricky customers such as Free Eagle another horse who Australia thrashed who went on to get a top Gp1 prize that made him into a €20,000 stallion.

.DATE RACE CONDITIONS WGT RACE OUTCOME JOCKEY OR TS RPR
21Aug16 Cur 10Y G3 28K 10-0 2/7 (¾L Success Days 9-9) 2/1 Pat Smullen 123 * *
22May16 Cur 10.5Y/Sft G1 108K 9-3 1/6 (3¾L Found 9-0) 9/4 Pat Smullen 122 * *
02May16 Cur 10Y G3 32K 9-10 3/5 (3¾L Found 9-7) 11/10F Pat Smullen 123 * *
17Oct15 Asc 10GS C1G1 770K 9-5 1/13 (1¼L Found 8-11) 10/1 Pat Smullen 120 * *
12Sep15 Leo 12Y G3 50K 9-12 1/5 (6L Panama Hat 9-9) 2/1 Pat Smullen 119 * *
29Aug15 Wdr 10GS C1G3 34K 9-5 5/8 (3L Racing History 8-7) 6/5F Pat Smullen 119 * *
24May15 Cur 10.5Gd G1 120K 9-3 2/6 (¼L Al Kazeem 9-3) 15/2 Pat Smullen 113 * *
04May15 Cur 10Hy G3 37K 9-3 1/4 (1¾L Parish Hall 9-6) 2/5F Pat Smullen 114 * *
15Apr15 Leo 8Sft L 22K 9-10 1/7 (1¾L Alive Alive Oh 9-0) 9/10F Pat Smullen 111 * *
28Jun14 Cur 12GF 3yG1 604K 9-0 5/5 (8½L Australia 9-0) 8/1 Pat Smullen 112 * *
07Jun14 Eps 12Gd C13yG1 782K 9-0 8/16 (11½L Australia 9-0) 12/1 Pat Smullen 113 * *
11May14 Leo 10Y/Sft 3yG3 50K 9-3 1/6 (hd Lotus Breeze 9-3) EvensF Pat Smullen 107 * *
12Apr14 Nav 10Y/Sft 3yG3 32K 9-3 1/8 (2½L Answered 9-3) 5/2 Pat Smullen — * *
30Mar14 Leo 10Sft/Hy 3y 6K 9-5 1/8 (1L Assign 9-5) 9/1 Pat Smullen — * *
26Oct13 Leo 8Sft/Hy 2y 9K 9-5 5/10 (10½L Adelaide 9-5) 9/1 Pat Smulle