Should pensioners be allowed to vote in referendums

Sam Kade

Car99 wrote: »

Referendums (referenda whichever you prefer)
Should pensioners be allowed to vote in referendums , mostly referendums are called for due to a change in the way people view a certain issue compared to what way it was viewed in the past.
Would it not be better if the people who have to live with the result of the referendum made the decision to vote yes or no rather than people who probably won't have to put up with the result very very long either way.
Look at Brexit , those with a longing for a return to the days when Britain was a powerhouse of industry and commerce like when they were young swung the vote to leave and royally ****ed up the future for their youth.
What does everyone think?

Would you also like everyone who votes FG to lose their vote :rolleyes:

fergiesfolly

gctest50 wrote: »

Past tense ....... i paid for chips last week, doesn't mean i can go down and tell everyone to put vinegar on their chips this week

So you expect to be told to shut up and let the kids get on with it, when you get old.
Bypass a lifetime of experience and knowledge because you did the unforgivable and got old.
Their opinions differ from yours, in the same way yours differs from the generation coming behind you. But their opinions are valid and their vote vital.

Fred Swanson

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Guy:Incognito

conditioned games wrote: »

Britain choosing to leave the EU was the correct decision. Switzerland and Norway have been better outside it. Too many large corporations have control of the bureaucratic system forcing overly stringent regulations on small businesses.
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So we just need to hoard NAZI gold or find massive oil reserves and we can be rich and not need any mates. Why did no one think of that before?

diomed

They take too long at the automatic checkouts in the supermarket. Yellow card offence.

appfry

diomed wrote: »

They take too long at the automatic checkouts in the supermarket. Yellow card offence.

WOMEN, of all ages take too long at all types of checkouts. Lets get rid of them all. :eek:

AnGaelach

Car99 wrote: »

Referendums (referenda whichever you prefer)
Should pensioners be allowed to vote in referendums , mostly referendums are called for due to a change in the way people view a certain issue compared to what way it was viewed in the past.
Would it not be better if the people who have to live with the result of the referendum made the decision to vote yes or no rather than people who probably won't have to put up with the result very very long either way.
Look at Brexit , those with a longing for a return to the days when Britain was a powerhouse of industry and commerce like when they were young swung the vote to leave and royally ****ed up the future for their youth.
What does everyone think?

Should the people responsible for actually building the country not get any say in it? What a thoroughly ridiculous point to hold.

AnGaelach

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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You know they've been projected to be the fastest growing economy in the G7, right? You're just repeating fearmongering you've heard in the media.

Guy:Incognito

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yes, lets take all the collective life experience and wisdom pensioners have amassed over 65-100 years and ignore it when making important decisions.

Yep, sure with all that experience they are great drivers..............:)

Guy:Incognito

AnGaelach wrote: »

You know they've been projected to be the fastest growing economy in the G7, right? You're just repeating fearmongering you've heard in the media.

Sink low enough and the spending from 50 holidaying Americans will make you the fastest growing economy for a bit.

Fred Swanson

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AnGaelach

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Sink low enough and the spending from 50 holidaying Americans will make you the fastest growing economy for a bit.

Those 50 Americans would have to spend an awful lot of money to prop up that sort of growth in a $2.8 trillion economy.

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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And their currency value is based on speculation and their QE policy. You know a few days after the vote, sterling had climbed to a year-long high right? Do you honestly think they've just suddenly produced less on given days in the aftermath of speeches or announcements?

The Wolverine

Essentially a "how can we stop people who probably have a different opinion to me voting"

Winterlong

This takes Gerrymandering to a new level. Geriatricmandering.

Widdershins

An experienced pensioner is more qualified to vote than an inexperienced young person, in my opinion. If they 'only' have ten or twenty or thirty years left, that's decades of life that they are equally entitled to their say in.

jobbridge4life

appfry wrote: »

You mean the people you paid far higher taxes than you ever did. Worked longer hours than you ever did. Worked in much harder jobs than you ever did. Worked many, many more years than you have?

I just dont understand the entitled gits of today wanting to stamp on the people who made this country for them, kept it afloat and put them through school.

Im in my mid 40s now, and I for one would like to thank those people who are now pensioners for what they did for me.

How old are you OP. You wouldnt perhaps be a member of the entitled generation would you?

And save that post for when people are looking to euthanize you when you hit 50 or so.
You can show it to them to prove the point that the younger you are the more you THINK you know.
After hitting the ripe old age of 45 Ive now come to the conclusion that people older than me are much smarter, balanced and less selfish than me and I was never as smart, balanced or more selfish as I thought I was in my younger years.

The way to defend one age group from an unwarranted attack is not to attack another age group. This really shouldn't be difficult to understand.

Young people have disproportionately suffered the consequences of the Great Recession, welfare cuts, cuts to education, mass unemployment, economically enforced migration etc etc. This is not an opinion, it is a widely reported fact and whats more these young people are paying for the sins of the indulgence that their elders caused through repeated elections where they voted for the party most likely to profit them in the immediate term. The last few years have seen the most dramatic transfer of wealth from younger generations to older generations in the history of the state. And across the developed world the generation currently emerging into the work force are widely recognized as the first to be less well off than their progenitors.

Young people today face rents that are higher than they ever were. Aspiring to own your property has never been so out of reach for so many working young people as it is today. Job security has never been as endangered as it is today. The tax burden young workers saving to pay for their homes face in this country today is far in excess of what it has been in a generation. Young people today are paying for social supports to their elders that every credible economist acknowledges these same young people will not be able to enjoy themselves when they reach that age.

Of course pensioners should be entitled to vote. Of course young people should be entitled to vote and indeed ought to do so in far greater numbers than they do today. But whether you are as you say in your 40s, or your 20s or your 70s... you ought to now better than to indulge in 'divide and conquer' tactics, that way lies division and mutual impoverishment. Only united can people of conscience and consideration defeat those who see cliche and cheap rhetoric as policy.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I know as a pensioner I am biased but I have as much likelihood of having to live, for the next 15 or more years, with decisions from referenda as many under 66 year olds.

At an older age you start to look at the bigger picture and often promote agendas that are not necessarily in your own favour, if it will aid others. You also think about the impact on your children and grandchildren.

As it happens I would have voted for the UK to remain within the EU for the sake of the upcoming generations.

Ageism also has no place in determining rights.

I'd love to see a similar thread in a few decades when some here, who think pensioners should not have a voice, find themselves as pensioners.

Widdershins

Liliana Harsh Pail wrote: »

You also think about the impact on your children and grandchildren.

A very good point. This is something that can't be said for many younger people! I think parenthood enhances a person's sense of social responsibility too. All part of growing older and more mature and WISER! So important when it comes to determining the direction society will take!

whatdoicare

I'd be more worried that every time there's a vote every single unit that cares for mentally disabled people marches them all out to vote too.

My cousin who has the mind of a small child voted for Willie O Dea because that scumbag came to his unit and gave him some sweeties.

So if there's a referendum that the nuns don't agree with you can bet your arse that these poor people will be voting against change because Sister Agnes told them to tick the "No" box. >:(