2018 Ryder Cup

Pdoghue

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-6243483/Ryder-Cup-waste-time-USAs-Phil-Mickelson-bemoans-brutal-rough-Le-Golf-National.html

Real loser talk from Phil the Mick.

'The Europeans did the opposite of what we do when we have the Ryder Cup here,' said the five-time major winner, who was one of Furyk's four wildcard picks. 'The fairways were 14 to 16 yards wide.

'Ben Hogan, who was the greatest ball striker of all time, had a five percent margin of error.

'So, if you hit the ball 300 yards, we all hit it more than that, you need to have a 30-yard wide fairway to be able to hit them.

'The fact is, they had brutal rough — almost unplayable — and it's not the way I play. I don't play like that.

'I'm 48, I'm not going to play tournaments with rough like that anymore. It's a waste of my time.

'I'm going to play courses that are playable and that I can play aggressive, attacking and make a lot of birdies - the golf I like to play.'

Nitrogan

I'm not really into Golf but I love the Ryder Cup. It helps that the Irish have been big contributors to Europe's success but nationality doesn't really matter much. It's just a great version of an otherwise dull sport to me.

I read that infamous article by the US journalist they called out at the post-win presser. Just brilliant.

sydthebeat

Pdoghue wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-6243483/Ryder-Cup-waste-time-USAs-Phil-Mickelson-bemoans-brutal-rough-Le-Golf-National.html

Real loser talk from Phil the Mick.

'The Europeans did the opposite of what we do when we have the Ryder Cup here,' said the five-time major winner, who was one of Furyk's four wildcard picks. 'The fairways were 14 to 16 yards wide.

'Ben Hogan, who was the greatest ball striker of all time, had a five percent margin of error.

'So, if you hit the ball 300 yards, we all hit it more than that, you need to have a 30-yard wide fairway to be able to hit them.

'The fact is, they had brutal rough — almost unplayable — and it's not the way I play. I don't play like that.

'I'm 48, I'm not going to play tournaments with rough like that anymore. It's a waste of my time.

'I'm going to play courses that are playable and that I can play aggressive, attacking and make a lot of birdies - the golf I like to play.'

Pdoghue

LOL..it was only a matter of time before Figjam had his Ryder Cup moan..

MisterAnarchy

Pdoghue wrote: »

'So, if you hit the ball 300 yards, we all hit it more than that, you need to have a 30-yard wide fairway to be able to hit them.

The fairways could have been 100 yards wide and Phil wouldn't have hit them.

Halloween Jack

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The fairways could have been 100 yards wide and Phil wouldn't have hit them.

Yeah he missed horridly with an iron off the tee on the Friday avo iirc

slave1

Pdoghue wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-6243483/Ryder-Cup-waste-time-USAs-Phil-Mickelson-bemoans-brutal-rough-Le-Golf-National.html

Real loser talk from Phil the Mick.

'The Europeans did the opposite of what we do when we have the Ryder Cup here,' said the five-time major winner, who was one of Furyk's four wildcard picks. 'The fairways were 14 to 16 yards wide.

'Ben Hogan, who was the greatest ball striker of all time, had a five percent margin of error.

'So, if you hit the ball 300 yards, we all hit it more than that, you need to have a 30-yard wide fairway to be able to hit them.

'The fact is, they had brutal rough — almost unplayable — and it's not the way I play. I don't play like that.

'I'm 48, I'm not going to play tournaments with rough like that anymore. It's a waste of my time.

'I'm going to play courses that are playable and that I can play aggressive, attacking and make a lot of birdies - the golf I like to play.'

I think he's just being honest and nothing further to look into it than that.
Loser? 5 time major winner, he ain't no loser.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Yeah Phil you're 48. Now go prepare for the Seinors Tour.

He shouldn't have been on the team. Jim picking his mates.

GreeBo

slave1 wrote: »

I think he's just being honest and nothing further to look into it than that.
Loser? 5 time major winner, he ain't no loser.

+1

I think he was just being honest..."I have no interest in playing 'accuracy' golf" anymore.

and I think he has earned that right tbh.

Deeper Blue

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Yeah Phil you're 48. Now go prepare for the Seinors Tour.

He shouldn't have been on the team. Jim picking his mates.

In fairness to Furyk, when he named his picks Phil was an obvious choice. He'd just shot 63 on the Sunday, two days before the picks were made, he'd finished 15th and 12th in the two FedEx playoff events played up to that point, and had made 16 of the previous 18 cuts. There was no way he could've been left out.

It was only in the subsequent weeks before the RC that his game fell to pieces.

First Up

Pdoghue wrote:

'I'm going to play courses that are playable and that I can play aggressive, attacking and make a lot of birdies - the golf I like to play.'

A good summing up of the PGA tour and exactly
why Bjorn got it right in Paris.

prawnsambo

NDWC wrote: »

In fairness to Furyk, when he named his picks Phil was an obvious choice. He'd just shot 63 on the Sunday, two days before the picks were made, he'd finished 15th and 12th in the two FedEx playoff events played up to that point, and had made 16 of the previous 18 cuts. There was no way he could've been left out.

It was only in the subsequent weeks before the RC that his game fell to pieces.

He's been all over the place all year though. I never thought he was a good choice. Certainly not on that course.

wildrover444

Fair play to Phil he is tied for the lead at the safe way open at the moment . Fairways must be alot wider there!!

Dr. Bre

wildrover444 wrote: »

Fair play to Phil he is tied for the lead at the safe way open at the moment . Fairways must be alot wider there!!

safeairway more like

Deeper Blue

prawnsambo wrote: »

He's been all over the place all year though. I never thought he was a good choice. Certainly not on that course.

It's funny, I always found it interesting that he did so well at US Opens despite his wild driving, in Furyk's mind maybe he could do the same in Paris?

Plus he was 10th in the points list, and he's Phil Mickelson. Can you imagine the backlash now if the US had lost without him on the team? Which they presumably would have.

Pa8301

Pdoghue wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-6243483/Ryder-Cup-waste-time-USAs-Phil-Mickelson-bemoans-brutal-rough-Le-Golf-National.html

Real loser talk from Phil the Mick.

'The Europeans did the opposite of what we do when we have the Ryder Cup here,' said the five-time major winner, who was one of Furyk's four wildcard picks. 'The fairways were 14 to 16 yards wide.

'Ben Hogan, who was the greatest ball striker of all time, had a five percent margin of error.

'So, if you hit the ball 300 yards, we all hit it more than that, you need to have a 30-yard wide fairway to be able to hit them.

'The fact is, they had brutal rough — almost unplayable — and it's not the way I play. I don't play like that.

'I'm 48, I'm not going to play tournaments with rough like that anymore. It's a waste of my time.

'I'm going to play courses that are playable and that I can play aggressive, attacking and make a lot of birdies - the golf I like to play.'

So Phil won't be playing anymore US Opens then from the sounds of it.

seligehgit

Pa8301 wrote: »

So Phil won't be playing anymore US Opens then from the sounds of it.

I'm sure he will.

Six times runner up.

A win to complete the grand slam of major wins however improbable that outcome is.

Cork Boy 53

seligehgit wrote: »

I'm sure he will.

Six times runner up.

A win to complete the grand slam of major wins however improbable that outcome is.

In 2 years time Mickelson will be eligible and presumably playing on the Seniors Tour so his chances of winning or even competing in the US Open are running out fast.

Joe_ Public

I think the thing about US Opens is they were often set up in such a way that you could be severely punished for being even slightly off line so it was difficult for everybody. Plus he was always a great scrambler and putter so was able to give himself more chances.

Guess he just doesn’t have the energy for it anymore and who can blame him? Golf at top level should be a supreme test of a players all round game and nerve, not just simply a birdie blitz and count the zeroes on the post tournament cheque.

prawnsambo

NDWC wrote: »

It's funny, I always found it interesting that he did so well at US Opens despite his wild driving, in Furyk's mind maybe he could do the same in Paris?

Plus he was 10th in the points list, and he's Phil Mickelson. Can you imagine the backlash now if the US had lost without him on the team? Which they presumably would have.

This to me was the real reason he was picked. Yes he has played well in US Opens, but many of them had different tests than being accurate off the tee. Ridiculously fast greens or knee high rough were often the hazards and the fairways were wide enough not to be penal for all but the wildly inaccurate. And the above whinge is exactly why he wasn't a good choice. You didn't have to bomb it off the tee in Paris. There was plenty of room for the <300 yard drivers.

Edit: He missed a fairway by miles with a driving iron in his hand.

Dr. Bre

So it’s unlikely Phil will ever be a Ryder captain then ! Lol

Pdoghue

GreeBo wrote:

I think he was just being honest..."I have no interest in playing 'accuracy' golf" anymore.

GreeBo wrote:

and I think he has earned that right tbh.

I said 'loser talk' as opposed to being a loser. I don't know, I always thought golf was an accuracy game.

Mantis Toboggan

Dr. Bre wrote: »

So it’s unlikely Phil will ever be a Ryder captain then ! Lol

He probably will but he doesn't deserve it.

Pints?

He said he wont play tournaments with rough like that anymore. Will he stick to his word and not play in another US Open? Doubt it

GreeBo

Pdoghue wrote: »

I said 'loser talk' as opposed to being a loser. I don't know, I always thought golf was an accuracy game.

Golf is a distance game 90% of the time these days.

prawnsambo

GreeBo wrote: »

Golf is a distance game 90% of the time these days.

Distance coupled with accuracy surely? Going off line usually sacrifices distance as well as shots.

Andrew Beef

Nah, the default nowadays is to hit it as far as you can, find it, and then hit a shorter iron to the green.

John Daly used to advocate “bomb and hack” on the basis that he preferred to hit a wedge from the rough rather than a 6 iron from the fairway.

PGA Tour courses tend to be wide open and set up for a lot of birdies.

As a result, guys like Bubba etc get found out on a course like Le Golf National.

prawnsambo

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Nah, the default nowadays is to hit it as far as you can, find it, and then hit a shorter iron to the green.

John Daly used to advocate “bomb and hack” on the basis that he preferred to hit a wedge from the rough rather than a 6 iron from the fairway.

PGA Tour courses tend to be wide open and set up for a lot of birdies.

As a result, guys like Bubba etc get found out on a course like Le Golf National.

I wouldn't disagree with you when we're talking PGA tour. But that's not all the golf played in the world. As the US team found out.

GreeBo

prawnsambo wrote: »

I wouldn't disagree with you when we're talking PGA tour. But that's not all the golf played in the world. As the US team found out.

Hence "90% of the time"...

Like it or not, the money is available on bomb it courses so thats where the skill in the game is going/gone.

liamoreilly

...Westwood has ruled himself out of captaining in 2020, stating he prefers to captain at home in 2022, all but guarantees Harrington being captain next time round...Absolutely chuffed, and hopefully be a player/captain too ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜...

CONSI

Poulter & Tiger to be captains in 2026 in adare, 8 years away, both will be nearly 50

Cork Boy 53

CONSI wrote: »

Poulter & Tiger to be captains in 2026 in adare, 8 years away, both will be nearly 50

G Mac has previously stated that he would like to be considered for the captaincy in 2026 if Adare Manor stages the Cup that year. I think he might just get the knod.

Cork Boy 53

liamoreilly wrote: »

...Westwood has ruled himself out of captaining in 2020, stating he prefers to captain at home in 2022, all but guarantees Harrington being captain next time round...Absolutely chuffed, and hopefully be a player/captain too ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜...

When was the last time that a Ryder Cup team had a player captain? Not in my lifetime anyway.

Ronney

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

G Mac has previously stated that he would like to be considered for the captaincy in 2026 if Adare Manor stages the Cup that year. I think he might just get the knod.

Big list of names ahead of Gmac. The problem with the recent European Success you have a Q of Potential Captains.

2020/2022/2024/2026 Adare?

3 Ryder Cups till Adare Possibly. Most recent captains have been in the 45-50 last few years before the seniors bracket

2020 Looks Like Harrington is the front Runner
2022 Westwood already pushing for the easyer home tie


2024 In USA -

Stenson-48
Rose 46
Donald 46
Sergio 44
Poulter 48

Would all be ahead of Gmac in my book unfortunately

GreeBo

I dont see Stenson getting it, probably Poulter but Donald is a good shout.

Rikand

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When was the last time that a Ryder Cup team had a player captain? Not in my lifetime anyway.

Mark James got pretty close and was in the top 10 with about 2 months to go. Thankfully he got edged out towards the finish and then boastfully said :: " Well, even if I had qualified, I wouldnt have played anyways...." hoping everyone would have forgotten that he intended to be a playing captain a few months previous

Russman

Ronney wrote: »

Big list of names ahead of Gmac. The problem with the recent European Success you have a Q of Potential Captains.

2020/2022/2024/2026 Adare?

3 Ryder Cups till Adare Possibly. Most recent captains have been in the 45-50 last few years before the seniors bracket

2020 Looks Like Harrington is the front Runner
2022 Westwood already pushing for the easyer home tie


2024 In USA -

Stenson-48
Rose 46
Donald 46
Sergio 44
Poulter 48

Would all be ahead of Gmac in my book unfortunately

Not convinced I'd have some of those ahead of Gmac to be honest. Winning the US Open will carry a lot of weight, along with a number of wins in America.
Yet another Irish captain in a short time after McGinley, Clarke and, presumably Harrington, might go against him though.

Ronney

Russman wrote: »

Not convinced I'd have some of those ahead of Gmac to be honest. Winning the US Open will carry a lot of weight, along with a number of wins in America.
Yet another Irish captain in a short time after McGinley, Clarke and, presumably Harrington, might go against him though.

Really, who would you have him ahead of?

Russman

Ronney wrote: »

Really, who would you have hi ahead of?

IMO, definitely Poulter and Donald for starters. Not a slight on either of them, but with a similar amount of wins, including a Major, I think that edges it for me.

No doubt when the time comes Kaymer will be in the mix too.

Mantis Toboggan

Russman wrote: »

IMO, definitely Poulter and Donald for starters. Not a slight on either of them, but with a similar amount of wins, including a Major, I think that edges it for me.

No doubt when the time comes Kaymer will be in the mix too.

If it comes down to either Poulter or McDowell for captaincy Poulter will definitely get it, he's Mr. Ryder cup afterall

Ronney

Russman wrote: »

IMO, definitely Poulter and Donald for starters. Not a slight on either of them, but with a similar amount of wins, including a Major, I think that edges it for me.

No doubt when the time comes Kaymer will be in the mix too.

Really;

Poulter has a huge Ryder cup record/presence and Donald former World No.1.

In fairness Donald and Mcdowell have similar Ryder Cup records.

For the record I think McDowell would be a good captain I just think the next ten year has an abundance of candidates.

(not even considering Karlsson/Jimminez who have been vice a few times)

Cork Boy 53

I wonder is it out of the question that Bjorn, McGinley, Monty etc. might be tempted to have another crack at the captaincy? I know there has been no multi time European captain since Bernard Gallacher back in the 1990s but as far as I am aware there is no rule against someone doing it more than once.

kiers47

Wasnt Monty not canvassing for votes the year McGinley did it.

Cork Boy 53

kiers47 wrote: »

Wasnt Monty not canvassing for votes the year McGinley did it.

Not sure about that, possibly he was.

Seve OB

He was yea

Joe_ Public

Open to correction but I think what happened in 2014 is that McGinley was very much the early favorite (v Clarke) but when the US named Tom Watson as captain, there was a feeling among some that Europe needed to respond with a more decorated rival and somewhere in the wash, Monty’s name came into the reckoning. Something along those lines anyway.

abff

Stenson and Poulter would definitely be strong opposition for GMac. I think Sergio might still be in contention to make the team in 2026 and Rose likewise. I know Donald was world number one, but I don't see him as a strong candidate for Ryder Cup captaincy.

dball

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ready4liftoff

https://www.irishgolfdesk.com/news-files/2018/11/27/government-intensifies-ryder-cup-talks-with-european-tour

A decision on whether Adare Manor will host the Ryder Cup in 2026, will be made early in the new year, according to European Tour CEO Keith Pelley.

HighLine

https://twitter.com/RyderCupEurope/status/1077217336581476352