2016-17 Emirates FA Cup

elefant

Jayop wrote: »

I missed the first few minutes but he's played well.

The two Irish lads on the left side making bits of Arsenal.

Jayop

elefant wrote: »

The two Irish lads on the left side making bits of Arsenal.

Is that Arsenal fb a kid or what?

elefant

Jayop wrote: »

Is that Arsenal fb a kid or what?

Yeah, and Perez looks like he has no interest in giving him a hand.

Jayop

Just seem the goal. Love that McGeady

Unearthly

Mcgeady can be frustrating but he's still better than Championship level

mikeym

Watching Cardiff City and Fulham on BBC 1 Wales and the stadium is mostly empty.

Talk about fair weather fans.

greendom

mikeym wrote: »

Watching Cardiff City and Fulham on BBC 1 Wales and the stadium is mostly empty.

Talk about fair weather fans.

11.30 is very early especially for Fulham fans having to travel to South Wales

Unearthly

16 year old Ryan Sessegnon scored. Never seen him play. Good in fm 17...

Trigger

White Hart Lane half empty for this one.. the magic of the cup.

ricero

astradave wrote: »

White Hart Lane half empty for this one.. the magic of the cup.

The magic left a few years ago

Berserker

Unearthly wrote: »

16 year old Ryan Sessegnon scored. Never seen him play. Good in fm 17...

Have family who are Fulham fans and he is a very good young player. Trying to tie him down to a contract at the moment.

astradave wrote: »

White Hart Lane half empty for this one.. the magic of the cup.

Some of the attendances have been pitiful. Norwich and Cardiff only had a few thousand at their games.

Mushy

"Conte has one more sub, and it's his namesake coming on, Ngolo Kante"

Commentators these days! He should resign for that one!

The Talking Bread

sick of the sh1t talk and debate about the "magic of the cup"

It is modern day football, we all know where teams stand, this isn't the 80s or 90s. Clubs are always going to rotate their squads and prioritise. I don't think it is a lack of respect either, it is just that league finish is far more important to teams. Not to mention European football.
There is too much money at stake and as disappointing as it is, its common sense that first teams are rested in the early rounds.
The gap between teams in various leagues is also huge compared to yester year.

The Champions League 4th spot debate is rather pointless also. Look at the teams that have won the FA Cup since Wimbledon 88, almost 30 years . Apart from Wigan and Pompey (I wouldn't even include Everton 1995 or Spurs 1991 in that bracket), all the sides were top sides. Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea, Utd, City, Pool. There would be only a tiny chance a club outside top 4 would actually break through anyway.
I am not sure UEFA would allow that rule anyway (anyone know this?) so it is a silly debate?

Fans, of course, are different but its a natural cycle. Apart from maybe a scheme to attract fans with very low ticket prices, etc, medium clubs like Cardiff won't attract large numbers of fans. Tickets for league games are high enough.

There isn't much that can be done. Maybe scrap the league cup.

Another thing they could is make it that the top clubs can't play at home in 3rd round, not sure how it would work, would require the "open draw" to be somewhat altered. At least then stadiums won't be half empty. again, impossible to implement really?

Anyway, the annual "magic of FA Cup is gone since United pulled out cliche" has become a bit tedious for me!

blueser

"No added minutes in the first half". Thank fcuk for that. Truly awful game.

Korat

I was going to say the ref at Spurs v Villa was having a great game, then he gets a decision to give a goal kick wrong but he has been good otherwise in that you'd wouldn't know he's there. Even the players seem surprised the whistle isn't being blown every time there's minor contact or a player falls over. Good to see.

Dirty Dingus McGee

I actually hate the FA cup now.

It's complete ****e up until the quarter finals.

Just as the EPL was livened up and there were a couple of really big games to look forward to it gets interrupted.

The really should move it to midweek and it might actually be a bit of a treat to have matches on then.

Jayop

Bread, it's not only tedious, it's established bull**** that line that United didn't bother to enter a team. Doesn't stop loads of people peddling it though.

The cup is still the second best thing the vast majority of teams can win in a year and besides resting players for the games against lower league teams for a variety of reasons it's treated seriously by the top teams all of whom try to win it.

citytillidie

Korat wrote: »

I was going to say the ref at Spurs v Villa was having a great game, then he gets a decision to give a goal kick wrong but he has been good otherwise in that you'd wouldn't know he's there. Even the players seem surprised the whistle isn't being blown every time there's minor contact or a player falls over. Good to see.

It is Mike Dean he had enough bad press last week

blueser

The Talking Bread wrote: »

sick of the sh1t talk and debate about the "magic of the cup"

It is modern day football, we all know where teams stand, this isn't the 80s or 90s. Clubs are always going to rotate their squads and prioritise. I don't think it is a lack of respect either, it is just that league finish is far more important to teams. Not to mention European football.
There is too much money at stake and as disappointing as it is, its common sense that first teams are rested in the early rounds.
The gap between teams in various leagues is also huge compared to yester year.

The Champions League 4th spot debate is rather pointless also. Look at the teams that have won the FA Cup since Wimbledon 88, almost 30 years . Apart from Wigan and Pompey (I wouldn't even include Everton 1995 or Spurs 1991 in that bracket), all the sides were top sides. Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea, Utd, City, Pool. There would be only a tiny chance a club outside top 4 would actually break through anyway.
I am not sure UEFA would allow that rule anyway (anyone know this?) so it is a silly debate?

Fans, of course, are different but its a natural cycle. Apart from maybe a scheme to attract fans with very low ticket prices, etc, medium clubs like Cardiff won't attract large numbers of fans. Tickets for league games are high enough.

There isn't much that can be done. Maybe scrap the league cup.

Another thing they could is make it that the top clubs can't play at home in 3rd round, not sure how it would work, would require the "open draw" to be somewhat altered. At least then stadiums won't be half empty. again, impossible to implement really?

Anyway, the annual "magic of FA Cup is gone since United pulled out cliche" has become a bit tedious for me!

Maybe bring in a rule that whenever two teams from different divisions are drawn against each other in the 3rd and 4th rounds, the higher placed team plays away. Then again, would Plymouth's board have been happy giving up today's share of the gate so that they could play at home?

The Talking Bread

Korat wrote: »

I was going to say the ref at Spurs v Villa was having a great game, then he gets a decision to give a goal kick wrong but he has been good otherwise in that you'd wouldn't know he's there. Even the players seem surprised the whistle isn't being blown every time there's minor contact or a player falls over. Good to see.

Probably doesn't want to be there tbh and is just going through the motions, you know.........the whole "magic of the FA Cup is gone" for him

Korat

citytillidie wrote: »

It is Mike Dean he had enough bad press last week

Ha!

I didn't realise. That explains it so.

The Talking Bread

blueser wrote: »

Maybe bring in a rule that whenever two teams from different divisions are drawn against each other in the 3rd and 4th rounds, the higher placed team plays away. Then again, would Plymouth's board have been happy giving up today's share of the gate so that they could play at home?

As I said, you can't win!

Generally, Football fans are a wierd bunch these days with the same tired cliches......

"International football isn't what it is, I hate the international break"

"FA Cup has lost its magic"

"Premier league is overrated"

"Champions league group round is predictable and I only get into it after the group stages"

"Players are overpaid and have no loyalty, respect for the jersey"

"Too much money in the game"

"Europa league is just a burden"

bla bla bla

Same tired cliches. This isn't the bloody 80s anymore. Football has evolved more than any other sport and it ain't going to revert so. There are no answers to most of these aspects. It is what it is. I amn't old enough to recall the 70s or 80s and even the early 90s I don't have massive recollection. So I probably amn't in huge seat to judge a lot of the changes. But I do understand why football is what it is and that there isn't a lot rules, campaigns, debates can do to halt it's evolution.

And there are, naturally, many depressing consequences to same (Chinese club football revolution being the latest)

citytillidie

Results
West Ham United 0 V 5 Manchester City
Manchester United 4 V 0 Reading
Ipswich Town 2 V 2 Lincoln City
Barrow 0 V 2 Rochdale
Hull City 2 V 0 Swansea City
Sunderland 0 V 0 Burnley
Queens Park Rangers 1 V 2 Blackburn Rovers
Millwall 3 V 0 AFC Bournemouth
Brighton 2 V 0 MK Dons
Blackpool 0 V 0 Barnsley
Wigan Athletic 2 V 0 Nottingham Forest
Birmingham City 1 V 1 Newcastle United
West Bromwich Albion 1 V 2 Derby County
Everton 1 V 2 Leicester City
Wycombe Wanderers 2 V 1 Stourbridge
Watford 2 V 0 Burton Albion
Stoke City 0 V 2 Wolves
Bristol City 0 V 0 Fleetwood Town
Huddersfield Town 4 V 0 Port Vale
Brentford 5 V 1 Eastleigh
Bolton Wanderers 0 V 0 Crystal Palace
Norwich City 2 V 2 Southampton
Sutton United 0 V 0 AFC Wimbledon
Accrington Stanley 2 V 1 Luton Town
Rotherham United 2 V 3 Oxford United
Preston North End 1 V 2 Arsenal
Cardiff City 1 V 2 Fulham
Liverpool 0 V 0 Plymouth Argyle
Chelsea 4 V 1 Peterborough United
Middlesbrough 3 V 0 Sheffield Wednesday
Tottenham 2 V 0 Aston Villa

Monday 9th January
Cambridge United V Leeds United - 7:45pm - BT Sport 2

Replays
Lincoln City V Ipswich Town
Burnley V Sunderland
Barnsley V Blackpool
Newcastle United V Birmingham City
Fleetwood Town V Bristol City
Crystal Palace V Bolton Wanderers
Southampton V Norwich City
AFC Wimbledon V Sutton United
Plymouth Argyle V Liverpool

Korat

When is the 4th Rd draw?

Johner

Korat wrote: »

When is the 4th Rd draw?

Before the Cambridge - Leeds match tomorrow. It's on BBC2 and BT Sport 2.

MD1990

FA Cup weekend feels like an International break.
Need to do something with the competition. Maybe move it to midweek could be a start.

Harry Palmr

Berserker wrote: »

Some of the attendance have been pitiful. Norwich and Cardiff only had a few thousand at their games.

11.30 KO is ludicrous though. How many Fulham fans even bothered, Cardiff City heads were told by Warnock that it would be a fringe starting XI as well even though it was stronger in the event.

bill66

It's not all gloom and doom and the FA cup is not dead for those who actualy go to football. Lincoln City from the national league (step 5) took 5000 to Ipswich and Plymouth (step 4) took 8000+ to Liverpool. There is no other competion that has a the depth of intrest that the FA cup produces.

MD1990

bill66 wrote: »

It's not all gloom and doom and the FA cup is not dead for those who actualy go to football. Lincoln City from the national league (step 5) took 5000 to Ipswich and Plymouth (step 4) took 8000+ to Liverpool. There is no other competion that has a the depth of intrest that the FA cup produces.

Big crowds at Barrow & Sutton too. So maybe for fans in England of the lower league clubs it still has huge interest for those clubs.
But coming from Ireland the FA Cup has become awful to watch with terrible tv games. The 2nd round games were good this year though.

citytillidie

bill66 wrote: »

It's not all gloom and doom and the FA cup is not dead for those who actualy go to football. Lincoln City from the national league (step 5) took 5000 to Ipswich and Plymouth (step 4) took 8000+ to Liverpool. There is no other competion that has a the depth of intrest that the FA cup produces.

Plymouth took more fans than they usually get at home to todays game

Berserker

Harry Palmr wrote: »

11.30 KO is ludicrous though. How many Fulham fans even bothered, Cardiff City heads were told by Warnock that it would be a fringe starting XI as well even though it was stronger in the event.

700 officially.

Harry Palmr

Awkward draw preamble starting now from Sutton Utd's home ground (I think) - Michael Owen and Martin Keown will be saying some numbers later.



1 Ipswich Town or Lincoln City
2 Rochdale
3 Manchester United
4 Hull City
5 Sunderland or Burnley
6 Blackburn Rovrs
7 Millwall
8 Manchester City
9 Brighton
10 Blackpool or Barnsley
11 Wigan Athletic
12 Birmingham City or Newcastle United
13 Chelsea
14 Middlesbrough
15 Derby County
16 Leicester City
17 Liverpool or Plymouth Argyle
18 Wycombe Wanderers
19 Watford
20 Arsenal
21 Fulham
22 Wolves
23 Cambridge United or Leeds United
24 Bristol City or Fleetwood Town
25 Huddersfield Town
26 Tottenham Hotspur
27 Brentford
28 Bolton Wanderers or Crystal Palace
29 Norwich City or Southampton
30 Sutton United or AFC Wimbledon
31 Accrington Stanley
32 Oxford United

Johner

Really nice goal that.

citytillidie

4th Round Draw
Tottenham Hotspur v Wycombe Wanderers
Derby County v Leicester City
Oxford United v Newcastle United/Birmingham City
AFC Wimbledon/Sutton United v Leeds United
Plymouth Argyle/Liverpool v Wolverhampton Wanderers
Southampton/Norwich City v Arsenal
Lincoln/Ipswich v Brighton
Chelsea v Brentford
Manchester United v Wigan Athletic
Millwall v Watford
Rochdale v Huddersfield Town
Burnley/Sunderland v Fleetwood Town/Bristol City
Blackburn Rovers v Barnsley/Blackpool
Fulham v Hull City
Middlesbrough v Accrington Stanley
Crystal Palace/Bolton Wanderers v Manchester City

Jayop

Fairly uninspiring ties there by the looks of it. A few all prem games could be OK I guess. Wycome going to Spurs is nice too.

citytillidie

Jayop wrote: »

Fairly uninspiring ties there by the looks of it. A few all prem games could be OK I guess. Wycome going to Spurs is nice too.

Big Midlands derby with Derby County V Leicester

Jayop

citytillidie wrote: »

Big Midlands derby with Derby County V Leicester

Just doesn't get my blood flowing. I'm pretty happy with Wigan for United though. A big enough team that we shouldn't be careless in our approach but weak enough that we should beat them easily enough. Home tie too which is excellent.

citytillidie

3rd Round Replays
Tonight
AFC Wimbledon 1 V 3 Sutton United
Barnsley 1 V 2 Blackpool AET
Burnley 2 V 0 Sunderland
Fleetwood Town 0 V 1 Bristol City
Crystal Palace 2 V 1 Bolton Wanderers
Lincoln City 1 V 0 Ipswich Town - Live on BBC One

Wednesday
Newcastle United 3 V 1 Birmingham City
Plymouth Argyle 0 V 1 Liverpool - Live on BT Sport 2
Southampton 1 V 0 Norwich City

Stevecw

Poor Mick McCarthy, 91st min winner for non league Lincoln v Ipswich

~Rebel~

Brilliant break from Lincoln! Really great goal.

LuckyGent88

Lincoln just got a last minute winner against Ipswich. Totally deserved too.

ASOT

Micks gonna get the sack

blueser

Stevecw wrote: »

Poor Mick McCarthy, 91st min winner for non league Lincoln v Ipswich

No more than the Imps deserved. They bossed that game. McCarthy must be on thin ice now. Only mid table in the Championship, and now being dumped out of the cup by a non league side.

Stevecw

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Lincoln just got a last minute winner against Ipswich. Totally deserved too.

Had it on in the background, wasn't really watching it properly but from what I saw Lincoln seemed to be the better more attacking side. Obviously musn't have been Ipswich 1st team as Jonathan Douglas and Leon Best started. Douglas wasn't young when Stan started him in a few of our qualifiers in Croke Park, must be easily 35/36 now

Harry Palmr

AFC Wimbledon 1 - 3 Sutton United counts as a deffo cupset.

citytillidie

Harry Palmr wrote: »

AFC Wimbledon 1 - 3 Sutton United counts as a deffo cupset.

Wimbledon were 1-0 up but were also down to 10 men

Richard Hillman

Stevecw wrote: »

Had it on in the background, wasn't really watching it properly but from what I saw Lincoln seemed to be the better more attacking side. Obviously musn't have been Ipswich 1st team as Jonathan Douglas and Leon Best started. Douglas wasn't young when Stan started him in a few of our qualifiers in Croke Park, must be easily 35/36 now

He's Banging Natalie Sawyer though. Everything underweighs that achievement.

Stevecw

Richard Hillman wrote: »

He's Banging Natalie Sawyer though. Everything underweighs that achievement.

I had to look that up to make sure it was true, wow fair play to him! Well out of his league, so obviously life in the championship pays well.

blueser

Richard Hillman wrote: »

He's Banging Natalie Sawyer though. Everything underweighs that achievement.

The ultimate definition of "punching above your weight", surely? And I'm referring to him, not the DDG Ms Sawyer, by the way!

cj maxx

blueser wrote: »

The ultimate definition of "punching above your weight", surely? And I'm referring to him, not the DDG Ms Sawyer, by the way!

Probably, but well effing done man !!!