What's going on at Quinn's Cross Roundabout?

dashoonage

the road crossings they carrier out on the N69 have sunk about 6 inches already. I know they will covered over eventually but still...

Strettie11

A Question

With all 3 narrow roads leading to 2 schools in a cul de sac how is an emergency vehicle supposed to reach the school during peak times ?

Tim76

Strettie11 wrote: »

A Question

With all 3 narrow roads leading to 2 schools in a cul de sac how is an emergency vehicle supposed to reach the school during peak times ?

Very slowly I would imagine

Mc Love

Tim76 wrote: »

Very slowly I would imagine

Or completely stuck, there wasnt anything wrong with the previous design imho. Just the council trying to justify their budget for next year.

dashoonage

Passed down this again this am...place is a mess. The road is so narrow. The temporary road crossings on the N69 have sunk and are very hard on the car now. I emailed the council but got no reply. The lads will get xmas out of it anyway.

davo2001

dashoonage wrote: »

Passed down this again this am...place is a mess. The road is so narrow. The temporary road crossings on the N69 have sunk and are very hard on the car now. I emailed the council but got no reply. The lads will get xmas out of it anyway.

Definitely, works on the round about itself have ground to a complete halt for the last 2 weeks anyways.

I got screw in my tire as a result of these works. Can't 100% prove it was from the works themselves though but I know it was.

Stab*City

Place is a complete joke. Dont think anyone knows whats going on. Those curbs and narrow roads are a disaster waiting to happen! Who do we go to about this farce? Fellas standing around constantly. Who oversees these types of works? Zero sinage in place to warn you of any holes or bumps.

Mc Love

Was the story with the low kerb on the roundabout? Seems a bit pointless

davo2001

Mc Love wrote: »

Was the story with the low kerb on the roundabout? Seems a bit pointless

I have a friend and asked about this, apparently its something to do with allowing emergency vehicles to get around the roundabout when its congested, at least that's what one of the workers said.

dashoonage

davo2001 wrote: »

I have a friend and asked about this, apparently its something to do with allowing emergency vehicles to get around the roundabout when its congested, at least that's what one of the workers said.

you know what would have worked there! leaving the roundabout the way it was :P

davo2001

dashoonage wrote: »

you know what would have worked there! leaving the roundabout the way it was :P

Of course, but this is Limerick CC we are talking about here :rolleyes:

Special Circumstances

Tbf the roundabout itself turned into a water feature on one side if there was any sprinkle of rain.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

At least they were working on it today... Well not on the road itself but more the landscaping around the roundabout..

So tell me... Is there only one lane on the roundabout now. I got totally caught last week coming from centra/Casey's furniture side up to the roundabout, I was going towards Fr. Russell road so went into right "lane" on approach to roundabout only to discover that there is no right lane on the roundabout... It's now too narrow.

They've made an absolute bollocks of the whole thing. The exit roads are in absolute shyte too. I can hear my front bumper scrape off the exit to Fr Russell road it's that bad.

A total and utter bollocks.

Special Circumstances

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

The exit roads are in absolute shyte too. I can hear my front bumper scrape off the exit to Fr Russell road it's that bad.

A total and utter bollocks.

Stance, lad. There's a simple cure for that!

As if the place wasn't a bottleneck before at school times its gonna be chronic now with the restricted flow, one lane roundabout.

Cunning plan to nudge more people towards the tunnel?

Stab*City

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

They've made an absolute bollocks of the whole thing. The exit roads are in absolute shyte too. I can hear my front bumper scrape off the exit to Fr Russell road it's that bad.

A total and utter bollocks.

I agree with everything you said. The sudden drops from one surface to the next and the craters every 20ft are wreaking cars. I wonder who decided this joke was the way to go.

Stop/Go system in place earlier and all i could see working was one digger and it wasn't even digging. Has anyone noticed the state of the first brick roundabout now outside the GAA club? Its in sh** im sure made worse from all the heavy traffic.

There is no way this work is getting finished in 2016

Mc Love

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Stance, lad. There's a simple cure for that!

As if the place wasn't a bottleneck before at school times its gonna be chronic now with the restricted flow, one lane roundabout.

Cunning plan to nudge more people towards the tunnel?

Only thing this will do is make drivers start to use the old borreen to the dock road.

Tim76

Mc Love wrote: »

Only thing this will do is make drivers start to use the old borreen to the dock road.

Maybe they're planning on putting a toll on that cos that's the only way this whole mess makes sense.

pigtown

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Stance, lad. There's a simple cure for that!

As if the place wasn't a bottleneck before at school times its gonna be chronic now with the restricted flow, one lane roundabout.

Cunning plan to nudge more people towards the tunnel?

I've often seen this claim about city centre works but the council have nothing to do with the tunnel, why would they do this?

Special Circumstances

pigtown wrote: »

I've often seen this claim about city centre works but the council have nothing to do with the tunnel, why would they do this?

Vive la revolution! Hasta la Victoria siempre comrades!

Will ye be building a wall as part of yer split from the rest of Ireland and the people who pay the tunnel operators to make up for the shortfall in traffic?

Vive la revolution, vive la peoples Republic of limerick!

pigtown

Something, something, make Limerick great again

EmptyTree

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Cunning plan to nudge more people towards the tunnel?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really see how this could be. If anything the Quinn roundabout would be used to get to or from the tunnel, not avoid it.

I think they've just unintentionally messed it up rather than being part of some grand master plan.

bazz26

EmptyTree wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really see how this could be. If anything the Quinn roundabout would be used to get to or from the tunnel, not avoid it.

I think they've just unintentionally messed it up rather than being part of some grand master plan.

That would be even worse, it means they are totally incompetent at their job. The dog on the street could see that reducing the lanes onto the roundabout to one would result in longer queues of traffic approaching it.

Special Circumstances

EmptyTree wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really see how this could be. If anything the Quinn roundabout would be used to get to or from the tunnel, not avoid it.
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You're missing something alright.... Dock road, Shannon bridge and condell road.

EmptyTree

bazz26 wrote: »

That would be even worse, it means they are totally incompetent at their job. The dog on the street could see that reducing the lanes onto the roundabout to one would result in longer queues of traffic approaching it.

Perhaps I've phrased it badly saying "unintentionally messed it up", but equally, I find it hard to imagine that they would deliberately design a road system that, well, doesn't work. I'm assuming that their intention is to make it safer for pedestrians and slow traffic, but the school hasn't even opened yet and there's already been plenty of mornings with lengthy tailbacks into both Inis Mor and Oakfield estates never mind the Father Russell Road and Mungret road. Unless there's significant works yet to come it's hard to see how this situation will change (without reworking the roundabout)

EmptyTree

Special Circumstances wrote: »

You're missing something alright.... Dock road, Shannon bridge and condell road.

The decision whether or not to use the tunnel comes at the Raheen roundabout, not the Quinn roundabout. So I still don't see how changing the Quinn roundabout would make people favour the tunnel. If the Quinn roundabout was somewhere on the Dock road, Shannon bridge and condell road then I'd agree with you.

Unless by "nudge more people towards the tunnel" you mean Limerick CC are hoping to make traffic so bad for local residents that they will want to leave Limerick altogether:D

Special Circumstances

EmptyTree wrote: »

The decision whether or not to use the tunnel comes at the Raheen roundabout, not the Quinn roundabout. So I still don't see how changing the Quinn roundabout would make people favour the tunnel. If the Quinn roundabout was somewhere on the Dock road, Shannon bridge and condell road then I'd agree with you.

Unless by "nudge more people towards the tunnel" you mean Limerick CC are hoping to make traffic so bad for local residents that they will want to leave Limerick altogether:D

Ok.
If there was no tunnel, you are implying that no significant amount of traffic from/to cork and kerry to/from clare and Galway would come south court hotel, dock road, condell road or the reverse? No significant Shannon crossing traffic via quinn roundabout if the tunnel didn't exist, in your version of events at least, right?

Fascinating :-)

dashoonage

Saw a sign this morning that the N69 link road to Quinns cross is closed... hopefully making the push to get this thing finished.

ShatterProof

rumor is bus drivers coming up father russell road cant make left turn in one movement so the road layout has to be changed again.

MarkR

I wonder was the design, or build of it wrong..

Comhrá

MarkR wrote: »

I wonder was the design, or build of it wrong..

We, the public look forward to the clear, transparent explanation as to who f***ed up, engineers/construction company, both/neither....

Special Circumstances

ShatterProof wrote: »

rumor is bus drivers coming up father russell road cant make left turn in one movement so the road layout has to be changed again.

Gold. You'd think people whose job it is to do this would have "best practice" dimensions for buses, trucks etc.

Bodes well for the finished product.
Wait till there's any significant amount of two way bus traffic for the new schools from that roundabout. And little drumlins of speed bumps.

Mc Love

I'm guessing Emergency vehicles will avoid the area during busy times

dashoonage

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Gold. You'd think people whose job it is to do this would have "best practice" dimensions for buses, trucks etc.

Bodes well for the finished product.
Wait till there's any significant amount of two way bus traffic for the new schools from that roundabout. And little drumlins of speed bumps.

I think they have the dimensions all right but have them in the wrong places...

The cycle lane and footpath could take two buses

Special Circumstances

Mc Love wrote: »

I'm guessing Emergency vehicles will avoid the area during busy times

dashoonage wrote: »

I think they have the dimensions all right but have them in the wrong places...

The cycle lane and footpath could take two buses

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

What a joke. Whoever made the decision to change the roundabout should be made accountable for a fcuking shocking decision and waste of money.

Tim76

ShatterProof wrote: »

rumor is bus drivers coming up father russell road cant make left turn in one movement so the road layout has to be changed again.

You literally could not make this up. How could a qualified civil engineer design something like this?

There is software out there from Autodesk that allows you to determine turning circles for every type of vehicle from cars to buses and arctics. There is no excuse for allowing this to be build the way in has. Breathtaking incompetence and as usual no one will be held accountable for it. :mad:

Special Circumstances

I'd love to see if the spot between sli na manach estate and the roundabout has been run through some "design rules check".
I'm skeptical really that Bus A and Bus B, one heading for the roundabout and and one leaving it could pass without some negotiations.
Fair enough if no heavy/large vehicles will be allowed use the section.

dashoonage

Special Circumstances wrote: »

I'd love to see if the spot between sli na manach estate and the roundabout has been run through some "design rules check".
I'm skeptical really that Bus A and Bus B, one heading for the roundabout and and one leaving it could pass without some negotiations.
Fair enough if no heavy/large vehicles will be allowed use the section.

wasnt their always a 3T weight limit on that road?

The whole thing just isnt very motorist friendly. Given that thats the basic function of a road like.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Anyone use the road between Russell road and dock road? I use it every day as I live practically on it. It's mad busy last few weeks...I'm convinced it's because of the delays at the new "improved" roundabout. .

EmptyTree

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Ok.
If there was no tunnel, you are implying that no significant amount of traffic from/to cork and kerry to/from clare and Galway would come south court hotel, dock road, condell road or the reverse? No significant Shannon crossing traffic via quinn roundabout if the tunnel didn't exist, in your version of events at least, right?

Fascinating :-)

Yes of course there would be a significant amount of traffic if the tunnel didn't exsist, but the tunnel does exsist and I've never suggested otherwise.

Special Circumstances

EmptyTree wrote: »

Yes of course there would be a significant amount of traffic if the tunnel didn't exsist, but the tunnel does exsist and I've never suggested otherwise.

Okay wow, so either the existence of the tunnel changes the location of quin roundabout or all traffic goes 100% one way or the other.

You weren't involved in the compensation negotiations for shortfall in traffic were you? From the public money side I mean - your expectations of numbers of people happy to spend €4 on the round trip seems a bit naive.

Mc Love

I'm happy to spend it if it means I avoid being stuck in traffic.

Special Circumstances

I see they've been doing more work there!

Tim76

How is this still going on? They seem to be making absolutely no progress.

What the hell are they doing during the day? Making mannequin challenge videos??

davo2001

Tim76 wrote: »

How is this still going on? They seem to be making absolutely no progress.

What the hell are they doing during the day? Making mannequin challenge videos??

Fu(k all going on tbh, there were 6 workers there on Friday but literally just standing around.

dashoonage

UK contractor lads. Gotta get the day works in pre brexit.

The Specialist

Nothing seems to be getting done here at all lately, the exits and entry on to Fr Russell Road are still like something out of Afghanistan. All this work has actually done is make the roundabout much worse than it was originally, a complete balls up. LCC need to give these cowboys doing it the boot and get a reliable contractor in to complete.

dashoonage

Two small children and a dog were recently lost into the road crossings on the N69 they have sunk so much.

The Specialist

dashoonage wrote: »

Two small children and a dog were recently lost into the road crossings on the N69 they have sunk so much.

That might also be where the contractors have disapeared to, might be time for a search party!

bazz26

It might not be the contractors fault, they normally complete a job they are payed to do as there is usually financial penalties if they don't complete it on time. This situation is more to do with either a lack of funding to complete the work imo or as mentioned earlier in this thread, the geniuses that designed the realignment have now realized they made a balls of it and are scampering to change the design again. Contractors are not going to sit around waiting for civil servants to eventually get their **** together, they have probably gone on to complete another job somewhere else.