British Cycling and Sky

irishrover99

With all the revelations coming out about Team Sky, have your (boardies) opinions changed in regards to the Irish riders that have competed for Sky.

Surely you would hope Roche would cover the topic in one of his upcoming newspaper articles.
I see he has criticised Sky before over Wiggins but i think more has come to light since then.

Macy0161

irishrover99 wrote: »

Surely you would hope Roche would cover the topic in one of his upcoming newspaper articles.
I see he has criticised Sky before over Wiggins but i think more has come to light since then.

After the grief he got before (and continues to get) for saying he had tried a (100% legal, not even TUE'd) finishing bottle and some perfectly legal supplements, I'd be surprised if sticks his head up to be honest. Especially when for many in the wider general public even things like whey protein are some kind of dodgy substance!

irishrover99

Macy0161 wrote: »

After the grief he got before (and continues to get) for saying he had tried a (100% legal, not even TUE'd) finishing bottle and some perfectly legal supplements, I'd be surprised if sticks his head up to be honest. Especially when for many in the wider general public even things like whey protein are some kind of dodgy substance!

I'd be suprised if he was allowed to bury his head in the sand as i'd expect Paul Kimmage to be back on the air this Sunday regarding this. I can imagine his name been brought up if that does happen.

Macy0161

irishrover99 wrote: »

I'd be suprised if he was allowed to bury his head in the sand as i'd expect Paul Kimmage to be back on the air this Sunday regarding this. I can imagine his name been brought up if that does happen.

Yeah, well it was Kimmage who I had in mind who continues to personalise the (very real) issue of legal supplements/ drugs to Nico.

I think it's an important issue, and Kimmage is right to raise it, but very wrong in how he personalises it to Nico, based on Nico actually being honest enough to answer Kimmages question on it.

Leroy42

Well Nico was part of the team. He either knew or didn't.

I think it is important that current cyclists come out and state what they know. They all claim cycling is cleaning etc, yet this massive news story comes up, to which Nico is party (only in terms of being in the team) and as such should at least be asked to talk about it.

If the cyclists want to be taken seriously then they need to break the omerta themselves and stop blaming the UCI etc for everything.

pelevin

Very hard to see how Brailsford can hang in there but regardless, imagine if we again have teh Tour this year totally dominated by Sky, & as a spectacle in the mountains apart from Froome doing a Kate Bush & running up that hill, destroying it as a spectacle . . . It's very likely to happen The level of hate they'd get would be through the roof.

RobFowl

Dodgy team wins TDF shocker

py

Cycling Tips talk about the ongoing TUE/Sky saga with Paul Kimmage

dastardly00

py wrote: »

Cycling Tips talk about the ongoing TUE/Sky saga with Paul Kimmage

Great interview; thanks for the link.

seligehgit

David Walsh gave a decent interview on The Pat Kenny Show today around 9.30.It's available on podcast.

velo.2010

Quote from Brailsford on the jiffy bag...

'We remain confident that the allegation is false and that there has been no wrongdoing by Team Sky or its employees'.

'Confident', not '100% certain' there has been no wrongdoing. I think the bus has been revved up again for Freeman. Jesus, some scapegoating there from Brailsford and covering himself in the 'on mature recollection' sense, if things get legal.

TheBlaaMan

This is a pretty devasting commentary piece in todays Guardian (notwithstanding their combative position re News International etc)
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/mar/08/team-sky-are-hoist-on-their-own-petard-by-admissions-of-amateurism?CMP=share_btn_tw

brownian

Eamonnator wrote: »

Lots of support from Team Sky riders

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-riders-voice-support-for-brailsford/

So, his days must be numbered.

I note that Owain Doull is 110% behind Brailsford, while Viviani is only 100% behind him.

If DB goes amid ugly scenes, there must be a threat to the sponsorship deal that makes the team viable. Naturally all the riders are 'behind DB' - otherwise they'd be voting for the sack.

velo.2010

Triamcinolone, Testosterone patches*, and now Viagara! Where will it end?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

*allegedly

Macy0161

Leroy42 wrote: »

Well Nico was part of the team. He either knew or didn't.

It also comes down to what is and isn't "clean" though. Tramadol, viagra etc aren't banned. Does that make it clean to use them? Should cycling be held to a higher standard than the WADA code?

The grief he continues to get from Kimmage is because he admitted trying Tramadol - he answered a straight question with a straight answer and all he's got since is grief. It doesn't encourage honesty from riders.

pelevin

velo.2010 wrote: »

Triamcinolone, Testosterone patches*, and now Viagara! Where will it end?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4295230/Team-Sky-tried-sex-pill-Viagra-search-advantage.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

*allegedly

What a bunch of langers.

Kaisr Sose

Did they test its efficacy using female cyclists to benchmark performance improvement? Will they publish who had the biggest or largest marginal gain?

RobFowl

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Did they test its efficacy using female cyclists to benchmark performance improvement? Will they publish who had the biggest or largest marginal gain?

Viagra was initially used as a drug to help premature babies get oxygen to their organs.
It is thought to help prevent altitude sickness.

That said put 30 young fit men in Tenerife with no company other than them selves, shove them full of viagra and let them loose in the sauna after training and jaysus......

pelevin

RobFowl wrote: »

Viagra was initially used as a drug to help premature babies get oxygen to their organs.
It is thought to help prevent altitude sickness.

That said put 30 young fit men in Tenerife with no company other than them selves, shove them full of viagra and let them loose in the sauna after training and jaysus......

The team is supposed to have bonded in a special way.

Beasty

RobFowl wrote: »

It is thought to help prevent attitude sickness.

Where can I get some of this stuff??

jelutong

And there was I wondering about the bulges in the cycling shorts. That explains it all.

Kaisr Sose

Funnily I only ready the article after posting. I did not know that about sildinafil citrate. So its much publicised "performance effect" and what it's famous for is actually a side effect of its original use? Lucky Pfizer.

A bit like EPO - for Kidney Dialysis and others......( for clarity: No Sky link intended or associated)

Kaisr Sose

Take viagra for a very positive attitude..

Doc07

The tramadol did concern me when I read about it a few years ago. For me it represents how normal the cyclists consider the 'medicalisation' of the sport. Tramadol is 1/5th the potency of morphine and shouldn't be loosely prescribed to patients with for example post op pain never mind healthy athletes trying to numb pain for a time trial.

Nico just happened to admit to it and I would consider him as clean as you can get in cycling. Then again when I was an obsessed soccer fan years ago I do remember thinking it odd that Gary Linekar had an injection into his toe before every match for pain.

I would like to see a proper investigation into all this and the 'doping' doctors but the mainstream medical organisations don't actually care about sports doping and most doctors don't know anything about it.

py

Nico agrees with Froome for not backing DB. http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/like-chris-froome-wouldnt-sign-statement-supporting-dave-brailsford-319002

ford2600

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Lucky Pfizer.QUOTE]

Lucky is right, but not a patch on their luck with Lipitor; best selling drug of all time. They bought it from Warner Lambert for a half nothing. Total sales of $125 billion dollars over 14 years.

All made in one factory on Cork Harbour

Kaisr Sose

Yes true...they chose wisely when buying Lipitor. I wonder if that is on Sky's marginal gain radar too?

Was there not a wobble on the future of manufacturing in Cork? It's so easy to move production of things like that.

ford2600

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Yes true...they chose wisely when buying Lipitor. I wonder if that is on Sky's marginal gain radar too?

Was there not a wobble on the future of manufacturing in Cork? It's so easy to move production of things like that.

It's closed since licence ran out, maybe 5 years ago.

I can see it from front door, it doesn't look much. You'd never think it was making product worth $1 million an hour!

RobFowl

I know cyclists in the pro tour are also taking blood pressure medication like Telmasartin
Medicalisation of cycling happened in the late 80's early 90's and hasn't done much good ethically anyway.

robyntmorton

RobFowl wrote: »

I know cyclists in the pro tour are also taking blood pressure medication like Telmasartin

With the amount of BP medication I'm on I could be in the pro peloton so.

(I'm no longer on the one with the diuretic, so it's all legal)