The Walking Dead | Season 7 | Episode 1 | The Day Will Come [AMC] [SPOILERS]

molloyjh

expectationlost wrote: »

molloyjh wrote: »

Was it really any gorier than seeing Herschel getting his head chopped off (and it not being a clean one single cut) or any gorier than seeing a zombie tear into Dale's stomach?

I think the scene was brutal because of the tension that was created far more than anything to do with gore tbh.

yes, only vague memories of those but glen attempt to speak made it gorier/more excruciating?

But Dale survived for ages after the zombie tore into his stomach. He was trying to keep the zombie off him until everyone arrived to help and then lay there in pure agony for a while asking to be put down before Daryl shot him. The Glen death was nowhere near as gory or as drawn out.

Tony EH

9

But it was a damn sight more realistic in both context and...erm...execution.

Dale's way too easy to open stomach allows the audience to scoff a bit as it's complete fantasy and something that has never and wil never happen outside of the show.

Getting whacked over the head with a baseball bat and ending up like Glenn and Abe is very possible in real life and therefore makes it all the more uneasy to watch.

pc7

7

As mentioned above for me it's the human violence I find hard, eg look at the flowers, Hershel, the sword terminus screen, rick biting the jugular (cause you'd do anything to save your child!! It hits hard). The zombie gnawing on you can be gorey but it's 'not real' and can be funny. Getting your noggin bashed in is very real and sadly happens so seeing it in such detail is hard for me anyhow. It's pretty much passed now for me whereas look at the flowers really stuck with me for quite a while.

Okon

9

pc7 wrote: »

... whereas look at the flowers really stuck with me for quite a while.

That was a tough scene, I was struck by that one too. I just wasn't expecting it. A powerful and emotional scene... that didn't actually show anything! Poor Lizzie.

As shocking as it can be, human violence is pretty much what TWD is all about though. I don't see the zombies as the real threat, it's other people. So I expect more of it this season after that start. (There's 15 more episodes left in this season; peace and love is not expected any time soon!)

raspberrypi67

Okon wrote: »

That was a tough scene, I was struck by that one too. I just wasn't expecting it. A powerful and emotional scene... that didn't actually show anything! Poor Lizzie.

As shocking as it can be, human violence is pretty much what TWD is all about though. I don't see the zombies as the real threat, it's other people. So I expect more of it this season after that start. (There's 15 more episodes left in this season; peace and love is not expected any time soon!)

Pretty graphic to me and showed plenty...

Okon

9

raspberrypi67 wrote: »

Pretty graphic to me and showed plenty...

Well...in comparison to Monday night was what I meant! There was no body or blood in the Lizzie scene, just Carol pulling the trigger.

expectationlost

molloyjh wrote: »

But Dale survived for ages after the zombie tore into his stomach. He was trying to keep the zombie off him until everyone arrived to help and then lay there in pure agony for a while asking to be put down before Daryl shot him. The Glen death was nowhere near as gory or as drawn out.

just watched a clip it was very dark, maybe the difference is it was the glen thing was done by a human

raspberrypi67

Okon wrote: »

Well...in comparison to Monday night was what I meant! There was no body or blood in the Lizzie scene, just Carol pulling the trigger.

O, ok, get ye

mrkiscool2

3

Tony EH wrote: »

Looking at the scores above - anybody giving that episode less than an 8 needs to stop watching and go do something else. :rolleyes:

That was 45 minutes of the most tension filled scenes I've witnessed on television. I was actually shocked that the producers had the balls

to kill Glenn in the same way as he was off'd in the comic

.

But, Andrew Lincoln - who I think is a little prone to a bit of overacting in the show - was truly excellent. His grief and submission was 100% believable and reaching that level of despair is not an easy task for an actor, that's for sure. I was so primed by the horrific nature of this episode

that I was sure Carl was going to lose the hand as well and was actually relieved when it didn't...er...come off

.

A brilliant episode. The second best, after the series 1 opener for me. The only problem with this episode, is that the show is going to find it very difficult to follow up an episode like that.

Fcuk off. Clear is far and away the greatest episode of the Walking Dead because it shows how this world can change the most rational, lovely person into something different.

I gave it a 4 because I thought the acting and the dialogue was very well done. It sh1t on the comic in some many ways (apart from Glenn's death), it used other methods to convey tension and took 20 minutes for us to find out who was killed. This despite wide-spread hate for the season 6 finale for using cliff-hangers and promises that they would show who died straight away! So it fcuked off a lot of loyal comic book fans, lied and was using tension even though there has been 7 months of it. Deserved the 4.

EDIT: For context, I have give 5 episodes a 10: Clear, Season 3 finale of Breaking Bad and episode 14 and 16 in season 5 and The Red Wedding in GoT.

CramCycle

6

It was 20 minutes of an episode stretched out to fill time. If they edited it down to be 20 minutes and resequenced it, would make a 9 (10 implies perfection, cannot be done IMO with any show or movie).

As it is, editing and time filling let it down more than anything.

snowgal

It's a strange one for me. I felt abit numb throughout the episode. I'm a huge fan, ott probably.. I can't quite put my finger on exactly what it was, maybe because the build up was so long. I got spoiled just before the episode which didn't help but even seeing the deaths didn't really have the impact I thought it would. The biggest moment for me was Carl's hand thing but even with that I knew negan wouldn't actually do it. I think some of my problem is I don't like the negan character ( which I know is against the grain) he's too over the top I think. I watched it again last night and still nothing really. I remember the hershel death impact, I was in shock for days! I won't stop watching it, I love the show but I just think I don't like seeing Rick as this broken man, it doesn't suit him, after all we've seen him go through and then to be that powerless felt wrong.. I really think they made a mistake with the cliffhanger in the end. I was actually in the minority that didn't mind it but then all their build up and talk through the summer of what the episode would be like, I don't know, I felt cheated. I felt the whole two death thing was just a cheap kind of gimmick to reel people back in... I'm looking forward to this weeks episode more. Just my opinion!

Avatar MIA

5

Just plucked up the courage to watch this today, I really didn't feel like watching it.

I watched up until where Negan drew the line across Carl's hand and skipped forward 10 minutes to see if Rick had cut it off. He hadn't, but if he had I was pretty much done with the series. I've read few pages on here first and yeah, it would have been torture porn. Still very disturbing.

Also, I don't care if the way this series is going is pissing off some comic fans. Get over it, they owe you nothing. And I've read most of the comics.

Which reminds me... comic spoiler

Stop teasing us with cutting off Rick's hand

Means Of Escape

7

It was long overdue that some characters got bumped off
It's too heavy with some characters that no one really cares about and it dilutes the progress of the show(mullet,Carl etc)

The episodes in the jail ,farmhouse and in the Govenors paradise topped it for me and none have come close since .

I think there should have been more side stories of characters meeting up with Ricks group showing how they survive and don't ie our lady friend in the tent with her "sick" husband. Made compelling viewing


Expecting a lot this season but I won't
hold my breath .

frozenfrozen

I wish they would stop using engines not starting as a way to build tension in every single episode.

you were held up in a compound for months. There are millions of abandoned cars around. Find one that works. Go to any american town and have the pick of hundreds of lifted 4x4s or just anything other than that ****ing RV that never starts when you turn the key.


I know it's a small thing but it is annoying


I started watching Z nation recently, a nice light break from TWD. Just don't go into it expecting anything and you'll be pleasantly surprised. Same with fear the walking dead, I can just enjoy the episodes without wondering who are they going to kill next.

TWD has fallen into a bit of a hole with it being all about who they are foreshadowing will die next and that kind of thing. Still enjoying it personally but I can see why people would be not happy about being strung on for 20 minutes of the start of the program wondering who would die next.

Olishi4

7

Means Of Escape wrote: »

I think there should have been more side stories of characters meeting up with Ricks group showing how they survive and don't ie our lady friend in the tent with her "sick" husband. Made compelling .

ye I was saying that a while ago. I'd enjoy a few episodes like that where it's just a few random oddball characters with a unique story that they come across in one or two episodes and not necessarily bad guys and they could still have the other storylines simmering in the background.

Means Of Escape

7

Been following Murph and his group in Z Nation and it gives TWD a run for its money regarding tension and interesting transient characters

alchemist33

8

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Been following Murph and his group in Z Nation and it gives TWD a run for its money regarding tension and interesting transient characters

I watched the first episode of the latest season and thought it was awful!

DoozerT6

Olishi4 wrote: »

ye I was saying that a while ago. I'd enjoy a few episodes like that where it's just a few random oddball characters with a unique story that they come across in one or two episodes and not necessarily bad guys and they could still have the other storylines simmering in the background.

I've been saying this all along too

Olishi4

7

DoozerT6 wrote: »

I've been saying this all along too

We should be writing this show Doozer! ha only joking

mzungu

Means Of Escape wrote: »

It was long overdue that some characters got bumped off
It's too heavy with some characters that no one really cares about and it dilutes the progress of the show(mullet,Carl etc)

The episodes in the jail ,farmhouse and in the Govenors paradise topped it for me and none have come close since .

I think there should have been more side stories of characters meeting up with Ricks group showing how they survive and don't ie our lady friend in the tent with her "sick" husband. Made compelling viewing


Expecting a lot this season but I won't
hold my breath .

The farmhouse dragged on a fair bit. I thought the show hit new heights when they left the jail and the group was split up. Some great character based episodes resulted from that. That for me was the highpoint so far.

mahamageehad

3

Hmm, I really thought that they'd chickened out of the big kill at first when Abraham was hit so I was quite annoyed, especially after such a long lead up. I thought Daryl acted out of character which is particularly infuriating as it's what got Glen killed. Although I appreciate that the eye thing was a shout out to the comic fans, I personally found it more amusing than horrific. Actually, because we practically buried Glen last season, it kind of made it hard to care that he died again. I think taking out Michonne or Daryl would have been more impactful.

All said, I did enjoy Negan and I thought the hand scene was pretty tense. It was just overshadowed for me by the editing and some strange moves by the characters. Rated a 4, maybe I should have given it a 6 or 7 but it was just really missing something for me. As someone said, it felt like a 20 minute episode stretched out into an hour. That said, I'm looking forward to this season! Roll on episode 2!

The Wolverine

Rick is my only real fav so I didn't care about the deaths Still at the same time I'd love Maggie and Daryl to be kept I like them a lot

I like Negan he's a total legend :pac: but then again it is Jeffrey Dean Morgan he's a great actor

I wonder would Daryl ever be killed off unless they actor wants out apparently they said he's a reason they get an awful high female viewership he was a real surprise to the creators as to hoe popular he is especially given he's not in the comics I think

Think the actor said he's loving the show and wants to stay put too only the end of last season I know they like to make the big shocks but killing him or Rick may push it too far maybe

Sugarlumps

Utter garbage, this died a death a few seasons back. Wrap it up for the love of god.

CramCycle

6

Sugarlumps wrote: »

Utter garbage, this died a death a few seasons back. Wrap it up for the love of god.

Maybe stop watching it if you don't like it, I find it a simple solution for shows I don't like.

Sugarlumps

CramCycle wrote: »

Maybe stop watching it if you don't like it, I find it a simple solution for shows I don't like.

I've watched it from the beginning, no turning back now. If it were a new show, then yes. I wanna see Rick get his head cracked wide open.

CramCycle

6

Sugarlumps wrote: »

I've watched it from the beginning, no turning back now. If it were a new show, then yes. I wanna see Rick get his head cracked wide open.

Do you not feel that this is an exercise in the ridiculous (unless you actually enjoy watching shows you dislike, in which case, you actually do like them in a roundabout way). Plenty of shows my family watch, which I despise, I just leave the room and do something more useful with my time.

Liamalone

7

I enjoy all these "stop watching it you think it's crap", I've watched it from the very start and read the comics off the back of it so I'm not going to stop now because I think it's gone a bit crud. These are discussion threads and folk are entitled to their opinion whatever it maybe.

CramCycle

6

Liamalone wrote: »

I enjoy all these "stop watching it you think it's crap", I've watched it from the very start and read the comics off the back of it so I'm not going to stop now because I think it's gone a bit crud. These are discussion threads and folk are entitled to their opinion whatever it maybe.

And I agree with you to a point, there are good episodes and bad episodes, but in the main I enjoy it. The above poster said it died a few seasons ago. this isn't someone who hasn't enjoyed a few episodes every season, this is someone claiming that they think it has been awful for years.

Never watching it again everytime there is something stupid or just plain wrong with an episode seems odd, but continuing to watch it after years if simply thinking it is awful is just odd behaviour.

I don't mind it for the discussions, nice to have different view points, I was more trying to reveal to the poster that maybe it is not the show for them if they think it is that awful.

I say this as someone who watched several shows past their jumping the shark moment, so I certainly don't practice what I preach.

pc7

7

I wished I had of stopped Dexter a few seasons before it finished. The bad seasons and absolutely dire fooking ending ruined all the good ones in the show for me. I was raging over it for a long time, kept thinking it would get better. I'm still really enjoying twd, 12 seasons into supernatural and it's still great. If either got to the bad stage this time out I'd stop and wait until it was done and then decide based on fan reaction whether to watch it out or not.

Tony EH

9

pc7 wrote: »

I wished I had of stopped Dexter a few seasons before it finished. The bad seasons and absolutely dire fooking ending ruined all the good ones in the show for me. I was raging over it for a long time, kept thinking it would get better. I'm still really enjoying twd, 12 seasons into supernatural and it's still great. If either got to the bad stage this time out I'd stop and wait until it was done and then decide based on fan reaction whether to watch it out or not.

The worst of 'Dexter' was 2 and that fucking Lila one.. jesus. The rest were fine and even some of 2 was grand.

But, this business of watching a show you don't like and then pissing and moaning about on web is just stupid and the solution is simple.

I've gotten to a point where I gave up on shows a few times. It's much better than continuing to watch something in the hope that you might see a decent episode some time. I stopped with 'True Blood', 'Banshee', 'Under the Dome', 'Fear the Walking Dead' etc, cos they weren't working for me.

It's easy.