Emmerdale [News, Spoilers and Discussion - from Oct 2016]

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Kate Oates was the producer at Emmerdale when Robron first started. She is now the producer at Eastenders. She knows what she's doing.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

MsWesterosi wrote: »

With Ryan Hawley leaving Emmerdale of his own free will, they were never going to get their happy ending for their favourite couple, so they should stop harrassing the Emmerdale team, because, from the moment he chose not to renew his contract, they had to figure out a way to write him out in a believable manner. Had they killed the character off, the Robroners would still b**ch and moan. Had they broken them up and Robert exited the village because of an affair; there would have been a meltdown. So, they wrote him out in the least offensive manner. There was no way they could have kept the couple together as the actor was leaving, but try telling that to the diehards. They could have recast, I suppose, but that'd have gone down like a lead balloon too.

This is 100% correct.
They've gotten the best ending it was possible to give a couple where one half is leaving and the other isn't.
In fact I'd go so far as to say they got way more than they deserved. Victoria's rape storyline was completely hijacked by Robert's exit storyline. They obviously weren't expecting Hawley's departure, the surrogacy being the long term plan for Robron, and had to do a hasty rewrite to work that in. If I was in charge and had 6 months of a storyline planned out I wouldn't have bothered my backside giving them any kind of proper exit. It would have been affair and off in the back of a taxi, and Victoria would have remained the focus of her own rape story.

JP Liz V1

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Kate Oates was the producer at Emmerdale when Robron first started. She is now the producer at Eastenders. She knows what she's doing.

Robron Vanity Rana Ballum

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JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Robron Vanity Rana Ballum

Kate Oates wasn't involved with Vanity and I wouldn't put them in with the others given that Charity has always been a bisexual character and Vanessa's sexuality was explored before too.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

In more bizarre Twitter news, people actually think Mandy and Vinny are secretly a couple!

Lennox Gilbey

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Robron Vanity Rana Ballum

Isn't that Jamie Oliver's son?

Curlysue76

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Kate Oates wasn't involved with Vanity and I wouldn't put them in with the others given that Charity has always been a bisexual character and Vanessa's sexuality was explored before too.

Yes, Charity has a thing with Zoe and Vanessa had feelings for Rhona.

JP Liz V1

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

In more bizarre Twitter news, people actually think Mandy and Vinny are secretly a couple!

I'd like a flashback about how they came together, I do not think they are a couple, maybe his own family which he mentioned he did not miss were bad to him, could he be related to Lydia/Karen?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I'd like a flashback about how they came together, I do not think they are a couple, maybe his own family which he mentioned he did not miss were bad to him, could he be related to Lydia/Karen?

I don't see how Mandy would have ended up with him if he was connected to Lydia, I mean it would be a pretty big coincidence. I can still see him being connected to Paddy somehow. I'm still not sure how Mandy came to be in possession of Bear's letters. She and Paddy's mum never got on, plus they were divorced for years before she died. Maybe all that's tied together. Or maybe there's no link to anybody and he's just a stray she's picked up.

JP Liz V1

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Kate Oates wasn't involved with Vanity and I wouldn't put them in with the others given that Charity has always been a bisexual character and Vanessa's sexuality was explored before too.

Curlysue76 wrote: »

Yes, Charity has a thing with Zoe and Vanessa had feelings for Rhona.

Yes I knew Charity was biexual (and with Zoe) and Vanessa was "in love" with Rhona but was it Kate Oates who decided to pair them up, Vanessa had male encounters after Rhona (Adam Kirin Pete)

I think Vanity will be pushed more now Robron is gone

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes I knew Charity was biexual (and with Zoe) and Vanessa was "in love" with Rhona but was it Kate Oates who decided to pair them up, Vanessa had male encounters after Rhona (Adam Kirin Pete)

I think Vanity will be pushed more now Robron is gone

No. Kate Oates was long gone before Charity and Vanessa got together. It was Iain McLeod that was in charge when they got together.

I don't think they'll "push" anyone, to be honest. One thing they've gotten much better at since the current team took over is spreading the stories around more evenly and involving the whole cast in any big stories. No one couple makes a soap. Plus

Charity and Vanessa break up next week

JP Liz V1

Why is Graham still living and working with Kim at Home Farm and why is Vic having anything to do with her rapist's family

MsWesterosi

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

This is 100% correct.
They've gotten the best ending it was possible to give a couple where one half is leaving and the other isn't.
In fact I'd go so far as to say they got way more than they deserved. Victoria's rape storyline was completely hijacked by Robert's exit storyline. They obviously weren't expecting Hawley's departure, the surrogacy being the long term plan for Robron, and had to do a hasty rewrite to work that in. If I was in charge and had 6 months of a storyline planned out I wouldn't have bothered my backside giving them any kind of proper exit. It would have been affair and off in the back of a taxi, and Victoria would have remained the focus of her own rape story.

The rape storyline was so well acted that it p***ed me off no end when it became all about Robron. And this Luke business now... I wonder how long before they decide to have a really farfetched love triangle involving Luke, Victoria and Aaron? Because with all of the Nate/Moira/Cain crap lately, it seems as if they enjoy going for big sensationalist storylines over quality, well thought out plots. I bet in a few months time we'll see Luke and Victoria settling down together with the baby, but a few smouldering looks later in Luke's direction - along with a huge dollop of angst - from Aaron, and it'll be Robron all over again..... I'd love if they'd put some of the relationship storylines on hold for a bit and come up with decent plots. The Holly OD was very well done, and so was the rape storyline, and Ashley's dementia plot was, IMO, one of the best and saddest storylines Emmerdale's had in recent years..

BorneTobyWilde

Seems Emmerdale is on it's last legs, multiple actors have quit, Robert, Faith, Bernice, Pete, Megan, Frank, Jessie, Ellis.
The three producers are in fighting, all producing stories lines that contradict each other. When Bear entered it was on the back of all these love letters he wrote to Paddy's mother, then they go with ''he can't read or write'' months later.

MsWesterosi

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Seems Emmerdale is on it's last legs, multiple actors have quit, Robert, Faith, Bernice, Pete, Megan, Frank, Jessie, Ellis.
The three producers are in fighting, all producing stories lines that contradict each other. When Bear entered it was on the back of all these love letters he wrote to Paddy's mother, then they go with ''he can't read or write'' months later.

And the mistake they made with Faith as well. She was supposed to have abandoned Cain and Chas when they were both kids - they even had that special flashback episode dedicated to it. Now, it's been completely retconned by this Nate plot, because according to this latest twist, she turned his mum away when she was pregnant with him. How the heck could she have done that when she'd abandoned the family years before?

There were other mistakes as well; one that comes to mind is where Jamie referred to Zoe as his ''aunt''. She wasn't his aunt, she was his half-sister, because Frank was the father of both of them.

And, the Vinny and Mandy thing... Over the years the various Dingles have mentioned on and off that they were going to see/stay with ''our Mandy'' yet at no time did any of them notice, or mention that she'd acquired a teenage son. I think originally, they intended Vinny to be revealed as Paddy's son, then decided against it , as it would have been a mite too contrived.

JP Liz V1

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

No. Kate Oates was long gone before Charity and Vanessa got together. It was Iain McLeod that was in charge when they got together.

I don't think they'll "push" anyone, to be honest. One thing they've gotten much better at since the current team took over is spreading the stories around more evenly and involving the whole cast in any big stories. No one couple makes a soap. Plus

Charity and Vanessa break up next week

My bad I thought she was responsible also for Vanity

I prefer them apart, I think Vanessa can be very annoying and Charity imo had more chemistry with Frank and now with Tracy but hopefully the show won't pair them

MsWesterosi

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

My bad I thought she was responsible also for Vanity

I prefer them apart, I think Vanessa can be very annoying and Charity imo had more chemistry with Frank and now with Tracy but hopefully the show won't pair them

I find Vanity a boring couple; no chemistry there whatsoever. And the way they got together was ridiculous, they didn't even like or fancy each other until they had the drunken bunk up in the pub cellar.

I've always loved Charity as a character, but she's lost her edge since pairing up with Vanessa. She's at her best when she's single and scheming. TBH, I never really cared one way or the other about Vanessa; she's always seemed more of a ''filler'' character to me than one I cared about. I much prefer Tracy. That said; I don't want her paired with Charity either.

JP Liz V1

MsWesterosi wrote: »

There were other mistakes as well; one that comes to mind is where Jamie referred to Zoe as his ''aunt''. She wasn't his aunt, she was his half-sister, because Frank was the father of both of them.

And, the Vinny and Mandy thing... Over the years the various Dingles have mentioned on and off that they were going to see/stay with ''our Mandy'' yet at no time did any of them notice, or mention that she'd acquired a teenage son. I think originally, they intended Vinny to be revealed as Paddy's son, then decided against it , as it would have been a mite too contrived.

I wonder will Jean bring Zoe back to be buried in Emmerdale with Frank and Chris, Jean could stay with step grandfather Bob

Does or did Mandy ever have a child herself?

I think I would prefer Vinny to be Paddy and Mandy's son

Radio5

Have seen a few episodes of late. Very very poor, even the cast don't sound like they're in any way engaged by their storylines.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

I like Charity and Vanessa as a couple. I think they've way more chemistry than Robron ever had, not hard I I know ,and it's been great seeing a new side to Charity in that relationship. I don't think she's lost her edge that much and there's only so many times she can get up to no good before it gets boring. Its very hard to keep long term characters interesting and I think her relationship with Vanessa has been a nice change of pace.

As for the producers, I dunno. It's a weird set up and they had two people very experienced in soap basically doing the job anyway but decided to stick Jane Hudson in charge of it all, who I don't think has any soap experience, and the first thing she does is pitch this Nate/Cain/Moira business.

The stuff about people leaving is nonsense. The numbers are the same as most other years, and several of the people they've named didn't even quit. They were written out (Frank) fired (Ellis) or were never meant to be long term characters (Maya). The viewing figures are solid and they've won loads of awards this year too. But yeah, I'd wonder if it's a too many cooks thing.

MsWesterosi

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I wonder will Jean bring Zoe back to be buried in Emmerdale with Frank and Chris, Jean could stay with step grandfather Bob

Does or did Mandy ever have a child herself?

I think I would prefer Vinny to be Paddy and Mandy's son

I think they should bring Jean back. I saw on Emmerdale wiki that she'd be sixteen now. It'd be in poor taste if they recast Zoe, though, seeing as Leah Bracknell passed away before her time, so, yeah, I think you're right; Jean should come back for Zoe's funeral. I think it would be nice if a few characters that have left would put in an appearance at the funeral too as a tribute; i.e, Kathy, Scott and Betty; Joe could return as well. It would be nice to have Scott and Kathy back as regular characters. I think those Classic Emmerdale characters are great, and sometimes I prefer watching it to present day Emmerdale.

Mandy has no kids as far as I know. I just wonder what the story with Vinny is. He'll probably have a connection with a regular Emmerdale character that we haven't been made aware of yet. He's not a Dingle; he said as much, so it'd probably be some other character who gave a child up, similar to the Charity/Debbie situation. If that's the way it's going to go; my guess is that Kerry is the oblivious mother who gave her child up seventeen years ago when she was a complete mess, but it transpired that the foster/adoptive family didn't treat Vinny well. Maybe he met Mandy through the casino, or maybe she was in a relationship with his foster dad when he was younger and she looked on him as a son, then took him under her wing after the relationship ended, as foster dad/foster mum didn't give a stuff about him.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

MsWesterosi wrote: »

The rape storyline was so well acted that it p***ed me off no end when it became all about Robron

It seems pretty obvious that Victoria's storyline was completely rewritten to accommodate Robert's exit. Which is something else that pisses me off about the fans complaining. The production team plan 6 months, at least, in advance and they went and tore up what they had planned to give this rubbish character a proper months long exit story and still they're not happy with it. I would have put my foot down and said nope, sorry, Victoria remains the focus of her own rape storyline and Robert gets hit by a bus out of the blue and dies.

MsWesterosi

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It seems pretty obvious that Victoria's storyline was completely rewritten to accommodate Robert's exit. Which is something else that pisses me off about the fans complaining. The production team plan 6 months, at least, in advance and they went and tore up what they had planned to give this rubbish character a proper months long exit story and still they're not happy with it. I would have put my foot down and said nope, sorry, Victoria remains the focus of her own rape storyline and Robert gets hit by a bus out of the blue and dies.

Robert and Aaron have been central to so much. I really enjoyed the whole psycho Lachlan thing, but they had to shoehorn Robron into the whole case of Rebecca's abduction via baby Seb.

I have to say it annoyed the hell out of me when, after everything Rebecca had been through, they wanted to take the child from her as well.

I'm so glad Robron is over, Robert deserved to get nicked for something eventually, especially as he got away with killing Katie. And, remember the time he tried to kill Paddy by burying him in grain? In reality there's no way that Paddy and Chas (Katie's best friend, remember) would be playing ''happy in-laws'' with the likes of Robert.

JP Liz V1

MsWesterosi wrote: »

There were other mistakes as well; one that comes to mind is where Jamie referred to Zoe as his ''aunt''. She wasn't his aunt, she was his half-sister, because Frank was the father of both of them.

Jamie could take in niece Jean, become her guardian

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

MsWesterosi wrote: »

Robert and Aaron have been central to so much. I really enjoyed the whole psycho Lachlan thing, but they had to shoehorn Robron into the whole case of Rebecca's abduction via baby Seb.

I have to say it annoyed the hell out of me when, after everything Rebecca had been through, they wanted to take the child from her as well.

I'm so glad Robron is over, Robert deserved to get nicked for something eventually, especially as he got away with killing Katie. And, remember the time he tried to kill Paddy by burying him in grain? In reality there's no way that Paddy and Chas (Katie's best friend, remember) would be playing ''happy in-laws'' with the likes of Robert.

Robert tried to kill Paddy. He hired someone to kill Chas. He tied Aaron to a radiator and held him at gunpoint. He threatened to kill Leo! He almost killed Liv while trying to drug Lawrence. The one thing I've really enjoyed about Robert's exit has actually been how little Chas and Paddy care. They've said what all the rational viewers have been saying. Robert put himself in prison by ignoring his sister, ignoring his husband, and doing what he wanted.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Jamie could take in niece Jean, become her guardian

They don't have to kill the character just because the actress died. She hasn't been on screen for years, they might never mention her again. Or, they might actually recast her and bring the character back now.

MsWesterosi

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Robert tried to kill Paddy. He hired someone to kill Chas. He tied Aaron to a radiator and held him at gunpoint. He threatened to kill Leo! He almost killed Liv while trying to drug Lawrence. The one thing I've really enjoyed about Robert's exit has actually been how little Chas and Paddy care. They've said what all the rational viewers have been saying. Robert put himself in prison by ignoring his sister, ignoring his husband, and doing what he wanted.

Exactly. I hated that whole saga from beginning to end. They did similar with Cain and Moira - another of their ''supercouples''. I actually really liked John and Moira together, and the Bartons as a family when they first arrived, but then they had Cain blackmail her into sleeping with him and the whole drama began from there. In some ways Cain/Moira and Robron have a fair few similarities.

It's not realistic that either Aaron or Moira would settle down with the men who tortured and threatened them, physically and emotionally respectively. I loathe those type of soap relationships; those couples that have the bang of Fifty Shades off them.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

MsWesterosi wrote: »

Exactly. I hated that whole saga from beginning to end. They did similar with Cain and Moira - another of their ''supercouples''. I actually really liked John and Moira together, and the Bartons as a family when they first arrived, but then they had Cain blackmail her into sleeping with him and the whole drama began from there. In some ways Cain/Moira and Robron have a fair few similarities.

It's not realistic that either Aaron or Moira would settle down with the men who tortured and threatened them, physically and emotionally respectively. I loathe those type of soap relationships; those couples that have the bang of Fifty Shades off them.

Yes, and now they've broken up they have them saying "I can't live without him/her" or "I have nothing left to live for". While their kids, siblings, friends, parents etc. are standing there thinking thanks a f**king bunch.

Even Belle the other night when she was talking to Nate was playing down how much Cain and Moira argue and she actually said that things got a lot safer for everyone else when Cain got with Moira! Like that's not a ringing endorsement for a couple as far as I'm concerned.

That said, it is a soap and you can't always apply real world logic with these things. The had settled Cain down quite a bit though and him and Moira seemed to be in a good place until the Joe stuff happened, and even that could have been much more interesting with its fallout then it was. It's a bit of a shame Cain then seemed to regress to his old thuggish self for a while and now he's gone right back to his horrible best.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Ellis has been recast. Character will be back in December.

I did wonder when Belle was on the phone to him the other night. I assumed they'd have broken up given he wasn't coming back. Makes sense I suppose given they'd just brought his dad in. They obviously had plans.

JP Liz V1

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

They don't have to kill the character just because the actress died. She hasn't been on screen for years, they might never mention her again. Or, they might actually recast her and bring the character back now.

I think a Zoe Tate recast after the actress has died would be in bad taste and as such a big character on the show, deserves a good send off despite being off the show for many years

MsWesterosi wrote: »

Exactly. I hated that whole saga from beginning to end. They did similar with Cain and Moira - another of their ''supercouples''. I actually really liked John and Moira together, and the Bartons as a family when they first arrived, but then they had Cain blackmail her into sleeping with him and the whole drama began from there. In some ways Cain/Moira and Robron have a fair few similarities.
It's not realistic that either Aaron or Moira would settle down with the men who tortured and threatened them, physically and emotionally respectively. I loathe those type of soap relationships; those couples that have the bang of Fifty Shades off them.

I did not think Cain blackmailed Moira, afair she came to the garage all dolled up pursuing him, Moira seems a sex addict who needs constant attention :P Moira could be a mix of Mr. Grey and his older ex Elena