Favourite Ship

The_Valeyard

What would be your favourite ship?
You know, the one you see on screen and go, yummy, sexy vessel!


Loved the Excelsior, D7, Original Enterprise refit.

_Kaiser_

+1 for Excelsior. The Lakota refit was nice too (retconned to be the Enterprise-B as well) : https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d2/b9/96/d2b996e3059d21e95c8ca2bd97583187.jpg

Galaxy class : https://images5.alphacoders.com/417/417888.jpg

From the alien side I'd say the Klingon Vorcha : http://www.thelightworks.com/wip/vorcha/tlw_vorcha_01.jpg

and the Romulan D'Deridex Warbird : http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/14/13776/DDeridex_Beauty.jpg

(linked as large pictures)

degrassinoel

Klingon Bird of Prey deffo

judeboy101

I'm partial to a romulan warbird myself.

ItHurtsWhenIP

I'm fierce fond of this sweety:

Evade

There's something about the Akira Class I've always liked.

IvySlayer

Majestic

AtomicHorror

Galaxy Class, particularly the original ILM one. Loved it.

Not so fond of the later 4-foot model they used for some shots. Very lumpy.

Runners-up would be anything Klingon. Except the ones from Enterprise. Those were not so good.

Goodshape

Always loved the Galaxy Class. Real sense of awe inspiring scale, while not being overly militaristic or threatening in appearance (in contrast to the Ent-E, which looked like a sleek battle-ready warship).

Never really got the love for the Excelsior class ships. They look bloated and squat to me.

On the non-federation side, always thought the Ferengi D'Koro-class looked great, but the Klingon Bird of Prey probably takes the top spot.

_Kaiser_

ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »

I'm fierce fond of this sweety:

Refit definitely, although from a narrative perspective it's hard to believe that anything of the original 1701 was kept as they're totally different designs. It probably should have been christened 1701-A from the start.

The Excelsior refit at least retains 90% of the original design/ship so that's more believable. Ditto the 3-nacelled "Future Enterprise-D" from TNG's All Good Things

malcy

Excelsior. Great ship design.

Rawr

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Refit definitely, although from a narrative perspective it's hard to believe that anything of the original 1701 was kept as they're totally different designs. It probably should have been christened 1701-A from the start.

The Excelsior refit at least retains 90% of the original design/ship so that's more believable. Ditto the 3-nacelled "Future Enterprise-D" from TNG's All Good Things

I've often wondered about 1701's refit.

Looking at them side-by-side it looks like the Warp nacelles would have been swapped out entirely. Warp core itself, possibly re-positioned (However TOS and Wrath of Khan do show both as a long corridor, so maybe just an upgrade)

The Secondary Hull is *nearly* identical, however TOS hull is just a tube, while the Refit has gained some weight and a load of love-handles. Elongated shuttle bay too. Still, it is possible I guess to built out from the original hull and then apply a new outer layer. The upgraded deflector dish looks like something you could just swap out.

The Neck of the Ship with added torpedo bays must have been a replacement. My old non-cannon TOS Technical Manual had the torpedo bays on the lower half of the saucer-section (not far from the Captain's Yacht). If they really were there then the whole neck must have been either replaced or heavily rebuilt. (You'll also notice an emergency separation line on the neck. 1701 Refit may (or may not) have been able to detach the saucer just like 1701-D!)

Again, the Saucer is very different but not so different that it couldn't be a rebuild. It is larger on the Refit, meaning that it would have to be enlarged and re-skinned afterwards.

Does seem like a lot of work to re-purpose an old ship. But the refit is one of favorite Enterprises. A pity this class is rarely shown outside of the films, while the cheeky Miranda class makes it all the way to the Dominion Wars.

Specking of Dominion; I am a sucker for the Jem'Hadar Heavy Cruiser.

The_Valeyard

Rawr wrote: »

A pity this class is rarely shown outside of the films, while the cheeky Miranda class makes it all the way to the Dominion Wars.

Specking of Dominion; I am a sucker for the Jem'Hadar Heavy Cruiser.

Think In just about every scene it was shown the Miranda class got blasted out of it. Lol.


Always thought the Nebula class was sexy

knucklehead6

Going against the trend here but I like the -E

Sleek n sexy. Looks like it's a warp 9 when she's standing still

Bacchus

Something different... the Delta Flyer in Voyager was a great addition and added an extra dimension to the show. Its design was pretty cool too and the idea of it being cobbled together from various parts made it that bit more interesting.

malcy

Bacchus wrote: »

Something different... the Delta Flyer in Voyager was a great addition and added an extra dimension to the show. Its design was pretty cool too and the idea of it being cobbled together from various parts made it that bit more interesting.

Plus it seemed to have TARDIS like abilities. Given the size of it, ithad a relatively large cockpit, a sickbay/lab and a cargo bay capable of being filled to the brim with dilithium ore, food, medical supplies etc!

Bacchus

malcy wrote: »

Plus it seemed to have TARDIS like abilities. Given the size of it, ithad a relatively large cockpit, a sickbay/lab and a cargo bay capable of being filled to the brim with dilithium ore, food, medical supplies etc!

I can't recall shots of it from the outside with crew standing alongside... so I always imagined it to be quite large anyway (3 or 4 times the size of a standard shuttle). Anyway, much like DS9 getting the Defiant I thought the Flyer gave Voyager a whole new dimension. Also, it was one of the few things they did that really gave a "world building" sense of them being alone and having to be resourceful.

Goodshape

Bacchus wrote: »

I can't recall shots of it from the outside with crew standing alongside

I've not read it all but here's an article discussing the size of the ship: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/delta-size.htm

Looks like another one they never quite pinned down.

Bacchus

Goodshape wrote: »

I've not read it all but here's an article discussing the size of the ship: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/delta-size.htm

Looks like another one they never quite pinned down.

Looks about what I imagined it to be in that shot with the crewman beside it.

Kiith

Akira was always my favourite. Always loved seeing the torpedo tube being above the saucer, and seeing it for the first time with the movie quality CQ was amazing.

The_Valeyard

Kiith wrote: »

Akira was always my favourite. Always loved seeing the torpedo tube being above the saucer, and seeing it for the first time with the movie quality CQ was amazing.

that battle scene was pretty cool.

Cookie_Monster

Bacchus wrote: »

Something different... the Delta Flyer in Voyager was a great addition and added an extra dimension to the show. Its design was pretty cool too and the idea of it being cobbled together from various parts made it that bit more interesting.

urgh. such a stupid thing.

lets ignore the shuttle built into the underside of the saucer already (and Neelix's ship!)
despite being starved of resource etc, lets design and build a completely new ship from scratch with barely and proper testing etc

the whole concept behind it is stupid beyond belief. May as well have built a defiant tbh.

Evade

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

urgh. such a stupid thing.

lets ignore the shuttle built into the underside of the saucer already (and Neelix's ship!)
despite being starved of resource etc, lets design and build a completely new ship from scratch with barely and proper testing etc

the whole concept behind it is stupid beyond belief. May as well have built a defiant tbh.

I always wondered why the didn't just build a runabout. They must have the plans for one in the computer and from a production point of view there were already sets and models for that.

The_Valeyard

Evade wrote: »

I always wondered why the didn't just build a runabout. They must have the plans for one in the computer and from a production point of view there were already sets and models for that.

Think the whole thing was that Alpha Quadrant small craft just couldnt cut it in the Delta Quadrant.

Kiith

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Think the whole thing was that Alpha Quadrant small craft just couldnt cut it in the Delta Quadrant.

Yet somehow a exploration/science ship could out fight off the Borg

Bacchus

Kiith wrote: »

Yet somehow a exploration/science ship could out fight off the Borg

Hey, they science'd the sh*t out of the Borg problem. They analysed the situation, identified key weaknesses in the Borg, came up with astute hypotheses on how to exploit those weaknesses, developed use case scenarios with stringent testing parameters.... and THEN fired and transported all their torpedoes until the Borg went boom!

That just reminded me of something I hated about Voyager. It's a small thing but they always seemed to make a big deal over how precious their stockpile of torpedoes was (seeing as they couldn't restock) but they never seemed to run out.

Bacchus

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

urgh. such a stupid thing.

lets ignore the shuttle built into the underside of the saucer already (and Neelix's ship!)
despite being starved of resource etc, lets design and build a completely new ship from scratch with barely and proper testing etc

the whole concept behind it is stupid beyond belief. May as well have built a defiant tbh.

Between the Maquis crew being assimilated in 2 episodes, with a token Maquis episode every season, and Neelix's ship being used all of... 2 times?... the concept of the show was never followed through on fully.

Same goes for the idea of them being strapped for resources. It was only brought up when a plot required it. So, for me the Delta Flyer itself is not alone in Voyagers crimes against resource management However, the ship itself opened up the show a bit more and was better for it.

I agree with you on Neelix's ship that it should have been used more, though I don't think it was much other than a cargo shuttle. The Delta Flyer was a completely different and more tactical type of ship that was designed to survive the Delta Quadrant with no support from the Federation.

Wow.... 9:19am and I've already reached my daily quota of nerd.

Kiith

Bacchus wrote: »

they never seemed to run out.

They never ran out of anything...except coffee. :pac:

The_Valeyard

Kiith wrote: »

Yet somehow a exploration/science ship could out fight off the Borg

and it's entire Collective, Queen, unimatrix, transwarp hubs, millions of cubes etc.

AMKC

My Favorite Enterprise would be the Galaxy class. She is what the flagship should be big and powerful but not to imposing or frighting looking.
The Akira class is my favorite medium size ship.
The Defiant would be my favorite small ship.
I also quite liked the Nova class. I think if it was equipped right it could be a tough little escort ship.
I also think the Intrepid class was quiet an impressive class of ship too.

Of the Alien races I love the Romulan TNG Warbird and the Klingon Vorcha Attack Cruiser.
The Dominion Cruisers were very impressive too.

knucklehead6

AMKC wrote: »

My Favorite Enterprise would be the Galaxy class. She is what the flagship should be big and powerful but not to imposing or frighting looking.
The Akira class is my favorite medium size ship.
The Defiant would be my favorite small ship.
I also quite liked the Nova class. I think if it was equipped right it could be a tough little escort ship.
I also think the Intrepid class was quiet an impressive class of ship too.

Of the Alien races I love the Romulan TNG Warbird and the Klingon Vorcha Attack Cruiser.
The Dominion Cruisers were very impressive too.

Regarding the highlighted bit, imposing and frightening is EXACTLY what you want your flagship to be.

Look at the US Navy... Their carriers just come along and take over whatever space they are in, they ARE imposing and you know that the power they can deliver is frightening.

DivingDuck

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Regarding the highlighted bit, imposing and frightening is EXACTLY what you want your flagship to be.

Look at the US Navy... Their carriers just come along and take over whatever space they are in, they ARE imposing and you know that the power they can deliver is frightening.

There's a difference between "To Boldly Go" and "Ever Strong" though. While the Federation very often did end up in conflicts and defensive situations, its primary objective was exploration, especially during the Picard era.

Starfleet could have made their flagships more imposing, but deliberately chose to make them vessels of exploration and peacekeeping— compare with the Klingon vessels, or the Romulans, or even Cardassians. I can't imagine any of them having a flagship which housed families and had an open bar. The Federation could have done the same, but clearly didn't want that to be the impression they made on new cultures.

It's not like it couldn't pack a whallop when it needed to, but they had a different mandate and wanted to make a different impression.

knucklehead6

DivingDuck wrote: »

There's a difference between "To Boldly Go" and "Ever Strong" though. While the Federation very often did end up in conflicts and defensive situations, its primary objective was exploration, especially during the Picard era.

Starfleet could have made their flagships more imposing, but deliberately chose to make them vessels of exploration and peacekeeping— compare with the Klingon vessels, or the Romulans, or even Cardassians. I can't imagine any of them having a flagship which housed families and had an open bar. The Federation could have done the same, but clearly didn't want that to be the impression they made on new cultures.

It's not like it couldn't pack a whallop when it needed to, but they had a different mandate and wanted to make a different impression.

I've no issue with the ships of the fleet being Exploration and Peace Keeping. I've no issue with them doing the whole Speak Softly, and carry a Big Stick thing. I've no issue with the individual flagships in the individual fleets being of the more cuddly than crushy variety.

But i think your overall flagship, should be like Leroy Brown, The baddest man in the whole damned town, Badder than old King Kong, And meaner than a junkyard dog.

Kiith

AMKC wrote: »

The Defiant would be my favorite small ship.

Little?! :pac:

The King of Moo

Purely aesthetically I think the refit Enterprise trumps the original design (which is very much of its time). But having rewatched a lot of the original series recently, the old girl still looks great, especially from certain angles:

http://static.neatorama.com/images/2009-06/uss-enterprise-ncc-1701.jpg


Every Enterprise has something I like though (except the NX-01, which I don't count as one of the Enterprises anyway). Even the stubby little Enterprise-C is a logical, chunkily solid transition between B and C:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/7/7e/AmbassadorKlasse.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140115205947&path-prefix=de

It's hard to beat the perfect proportions of the Constitution Class though.

I always loved all the Klingon ships, except, again, for the ones in Enterprise (though the Vulcan ships weren't too bad).

DivingDuck

The King of Moo wrote: »

Purely aesthetically I think the refit Enterprise trumps the original design (which is very much of its time). But having rewatched a lot of the original series recently, the old girl still looks great, especially from certain angles:

http://static.neatorama.com/images/2009-06/uss-enterprise-ncc-1701.jpg

Would love to see this rendered with modern technology for a proper comparison, but I can't get over the long corridors attaching the warp nacelles. It's a great looking ship, but those long stems make it look so potentially fragile.

ItHurtsWhenIP

DivingDuck wrote: »

Would love to see this rendered with modern technology for a proper comparison, but I can't get over the long corridors attaching the warp nacelles. It's a great looking ship, but those long stems make it look so potentially fragile.

Is that not the remastered NCC-1701?

Nucflash

Always liked the klingon ships. If I had to choose it would be Kronos One.

DivingDuck

ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »

Is that not the remastered NCC-1701?

Possibly? It still has a very... Vintage look about it, though. I guess what I mean is I'd like to see that design/style created from the ground up without the effort at the period aesthetic. Maybe they're impossible to divorce, though, I'm not sure.

_Kaiser_

Nucflash wrote: »

Always liked the klingon birds of prey. If I had to choose it would be Kronos One.

Kronos/Qo'noS One was a K't'inga-class though

But I agree, the BoP is a fantastic looking ship. Another reason why TSFS is underrated as it was our first glimpse of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksbxo6Ft4ho

I loved Enterprise - C ambassador class

_Kaiser_

Deleted User wrote: »

I loved Enterprise - C ambassador class

Yea the -C always seemed like a more natural design successor to the Refit/-A when I first saw it (this would have been before the -B was defined as an Excelsior)

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Yea the -C always seemed like a more natural design successor to the Refit/-A when I first saw it (this would have been before the -B was defined as an Excelsior)

And it has a great natural pre-D look to it also.

Crazy though is that, IIRC, the Ambassador model was an adapted Excelsior, shortened and neck changed

Evade

Deleted User wrote: »

Crazy though is that, IIRC, the Ambassador model was an adapted Excelsior, shortened and neck changed

The stardrive section of the Ambassador class looks like it came from a refit Constitution class model.

The_Valeyard

Evade wrote: »

The stardrive section of the Ambassador class looks like it came from a refit Constitution class model.

it probably did. Looks sexy though.

malcy

Was never a huge fan of the Ambassador class but i've been using one on Star Trek Online the past few days and looks superb with a few modifications to the colour of the hull, lights etc.

SimonTemplar

Enterprise D. A great combination of design, majesty and (for me) nostalgia. I wish it wasn't destroyed in Generations because it would have made the "blow up the damn ship" argument much more poignant in First Contact.

Bird of Prey is my favourite alien design. Imagine being in deep space and one of those bad boys decloaks in front of you. Really imposing design.

We might be used to it now, but the Borg cube is a stroke of genius by whatever production designer came up with it.

Rawr

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Enterprise D. A great combination of design, majesty and (for me) nostalgia. I wish it wasn't destroyed in Generations because it would have made the "blow up the damn ship" argument much more poignant in First Contact.

It may have also made for a potentially very different film, with Picard having to grapple with the option of separating the Saucer Section and abandoning the crew in the Star-Drive Section to the Borg. You could have someone key to the plot trapped there while the Borg slowly hunt down and box them in.

The deflector dish fight would have been a lot different too. 1701-D's deflector was this huge oval thing. I kind of imagine much larger fight involving dozens of crew trying to fight off a large troop of Borg advancing across the dish, while the key folk tried to kill the Borg beacon.

However, the deflector dish fight in First Contact was pretty alright as it was, and my ideas there would probably have burst the CGI budget for the film

AMKC

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Enterprise D. A great combination of design, majesty and (for me) nostalgia. I wish it wasn't destroyed in Generations because it would have made the "blow up the damn ship" argument much more poignant in First Contact.

Bird of Prey is my favourite alien design. Imagine being in deep space and one of those bad boys decloaks in front of you. Really imposing design.

We might be used to it now, but the Borg cube is a stroke of genius by whatever production designer came up with it.

Only one problem. How would they have gotten back to the Future at the end of the film? Also Generations might have been a lot more boring without the Enterpise D getting destroyed and I like the way First Contact starts.
The D did not have Quantum torpedo,s so it would never have been able to destroy the Borg Cube as none of the other ships had them either and they along with all the other weapons fired at the Cube at the spot Picard said is the reason it was destroyed.

Evade

AMKC wrote: »

The D did not have Quantum torpedo,s so it would never have been able to destroy the Borg Cube as none of the other ships had them either

This has always annoyed me. The torpedoes are the same size, or at least very close, why don't more ships have them? If they're difficult to produce then why stock two or three ships fully with quantum torpedoes instead of spreading them out over the fleet?

EDIT: Even the Lakota, a refit Excelsior class (possibly even the Enterprise B recommissioned) could fire them so it's not a technical limitation.