Chelsea v Manchester United 23/10/16 k/o 16.00 SS1

niallo27 · 23-10-2016 1:08pm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mourinho would be right where he wanted to be if the players had put one of the tons of chances we had against Stoke away, two draws against Pool and Chelsea would have been fine as we'd more than likely only be 2 or 3 points off the top in that scenario.

The idea that he's going to rip up his plan and go all out attack against Pool and Chelsea just because we had a blip against Stoke is madness. Mourinho is a long term thinker, he always has been. 1 or 2 points is usually crucial near the end of the season and if he can get them almost guaranteed against the bigger clubs he'll take them because he's almost perfected the tactic at this stage.

Writing off anybody with 25 games to go is crazy.

I don't think anyone is writing off utd to be fair. They should be challenging at the end of the season. On your points you could also say they were lucky to get a last minute winner against hull or they could be further behind

Rayne Wooney · 23-10-2016 1:14pm

niallo27 wrote: »

I don't think anyone is writing off utd to be fair. They should be challenging at the end of the season. On your points you could also say they were lucky to get a last minute winner against hull or they could be further behind

It was a dominant performance against Hull too so it doesn't fit into the negative narrative.

City is really the only performance I can criticise Mourinho on, he picked the wrong team and we got pummelled for 45 minutes

niallo27 · 23-10-2016 1:42pm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It was a dominant performance against Hull too so it doesn't fit into the negative narrative.

City is really the only performance I can criticise Mourinho on, he picked the wrong team and we got pummelled for 45 minutes

I don't mind negative, but liverpool had one clean sheet in like 17 games. The keeper looked so dodgy under any cross but was never tested. I didn't see any plan to even try snatch a goal against liverpool

Burial. · 23-10-2016 1:59pm

Hopefully a first minute goal for Chelsea forcing an actual game from United who're more than capable. Has 0-0 or controversial dirty 1-1 written all over it though.

Jayop · 23-10-2016 2:25pm

Hopefully 2 early goals for United and a total borefest after that!

mansize · 23-10-2016 2:54pm

Is this blue Sunday?

SlipperyPeople · 23-10-2016 3:04pm

Chelsea team today: Courtois; Azpilicueta, David Luiz, Cahill (c); Moses, Kante, Matic, Alonso; Pedro, Diego Costa, Hazard. #CFC

Man UTD team: De Gea; Valencia, Smalling, Bailly, Blind; Fellaini, Herrera; Rashford, Pogba, Lingard; Ibrahimovic

Rayne Wooney · 23-10-2016 3:20pm

United gone a little more attacking as expected

Chelsea having to go with 4 at the back to counter the 433, I don't think 3412 is a reliable formation long term

Potential Underachiever · 23-10-2016 3:26pm

Mata seems to be a luxury player, Jose doesn't think he can play him in tough away matches.

GreNoLi · 23-10-2016 3:27pm

Kante to dominate, chelsea to win, I hereby predict a three all thriller from Maniller.

Jayop · 23-10-2016 3:30pm

More attacking from United with Jesse starting.

BorneTobyWilde · 23-10-2016 3:33pm

Bus has arrive
Being parked on pitch as we speak.

Trigger · 23-10-2016 3:34pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Bus has arrive
Being parked on pitch as we speak.

happyoutscan · 23-10-2016 3:35pm

Chelsea by a couple.

Harry Palmr · 23-10-2016 3:36pm

Draw and 22 red cards please Bob!

GreNoLi · 23-10-2016 3:36pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Bus has arrive
Being parked on pitch as we speak.

Luckily chelsea have Ngolo 'The Puncturer' Kante TM.

Kirby · 23-10-2016 3:38pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Draw and 22 red cards please Bob!

The pedant in me feels like pointing out that you cant end in a draw with that many red cards as one team will win by default.

BorneTobyWilde · 23-10-2016 3:38pm

Chelsea 1pt off top with a win.

BorneTobyWilde · 23-10-2016 3:39pm

I fear a 0-0 borefestaramaliously type of game /

Skylinehead · 23-10-2016 3:44pm

Kirby wrote: »

The pedant in me feels like pointing out that you cant end in a draw with that many red cards as one team will win by default.

What happens if its 7 v 7 and two players start punching the heads off each other...

ShooterSF · 23-10-2016 3:46pm

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Mata seems to be a luxury player, Jose doesn't think he can play him in tough away matches.

What's your sample size for that? I would have put this match down as our second "tough" away game since he took over. Bit of a small set to be making detailed analysis on no? Could say the same of Shaw so?

MD1990 · 23-10-2016 3:50pm

Looks like Mkhitaryan could have a similar Man Utd career to Kagawa. Most not have been a Mourinho buy. Very bizarre treatment of him considering Lingard is starting & Mkhitaryan said he is not fit. He must not be tracking back in training.

23-10-2016 3:50pm

MD1990 wrote: »

Looks like Mkhitaryan could have a similar Man Utd career to Kagawa. Most not have been a Mourinho buy. Very bizarre treatment of him considering Lingard is starting & Mkhitaryan said he is not fit. He must not be tracking back in training.

Jesus Christ
What a way to jump to a ridiculous conclusion as usual

Potential Underachiever · 23-10-2016 3:50pm

ShooterSF wrote: »

What's your sample size for that? I would have put this match down as our second "tough" away game since he took over. Bit of a small set to be making detailed analysis on no? Could say the same of Shaw so?

Yes 2 of 2 he didn't play him, data can't be much bigger but it looks accurate. I didn't make any detailed analysis either just pointing out that Mata seems to be a luxury as far as Mourinho goes in big matches..

SuperTortoise · 23-10-2016 3:50pm

6-5 chelski, clearly.

MD1990 · 23-10-2016 3:54pm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Jesus Christ
What a way to jump to a ridiculous conclusion as usual

I can barely make a post about Man Utd before you reply. Less than a minute this time. Impressive in a weird way.
Mkhitaryan is now fit but not making the squad while Lingard starts. Not that ridiculous to suggest Mourinho may not rate him.

The Backwards Man · 23-10-2016 3:54pm

Kirby wrote: »

The pedant in me feels like pointing out that you cant end in a draw with that many red cards as one team will win by default.

You can.

Four onfield players and seven subs each = 22

Rayne Wooney · 23-10-2016 3:56pm

MD1990 wrote: »

Looks like Mkhitaryan could have a similar Man Utd career to Kagawa. Most not have been a Mourinho buy. Very bizarre treatment of him considering Lingard is starting & Mkhitaryan said he is not fit. He must not be tracking back in training.

Mkhitaryan said he is not fit

Doesn't play

Conspiracy

MD1990 · 23-10-2016 3:58pm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mkhitaryan said he is not fit

Doesn't play

Conspiracy

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2016/Oct/team-news-jose-mourinho-says-henrikh-mkhitaryan-is-fit-and-could-play-for-man-united-v-fenerbahce.aspx

unless he got injured again Mourinho said he was fit.

ShooterSF · 23-10-2016 3:58pm

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Yes 2 of 2 he didn't play him, data can't be much bigger but it looks accurate. I didn't make any detailed analysis either just pointing out that Mata seems to be a luxury as far as Mourinho goes in big matches..

So what about Shaw or Martial? Neither played in those games either? It just seems you have an opinion and are looking for data to fit that opinion rather than the reverse.

Liam McPoyle · 23-10-2016 3:58pm

MD1990 wrote: »

I can barely make a post about Man Utd before you reply. Less than a minute this time. Impressive in a weird way.
Mkhitaryan is now fit but not making the squad while Lingard starts. Not that ridiculous to suggest Mourinho may not rate him.

Most of what you post about them is shyte tbh.

Just like the above.

ShaneU · 23-10-2016 3:59pm

Can't believe Mata is dropped

Rayne Wooney · 23-10-2016 3:59pm

MD1990 wrote: »

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2016/Oct/team-news-jose-mourinho-says-henrikh-mkhitaryan-is-fit-and-could-play-for-man-united-v-fenerbahce.aspx

unless he got injured again Mourinho said he was fit.

He said he is training well but match fitness is another step.

You are jumping the gun