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    #1322
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,334 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    jh79 wrote: »
    If it is given a licence then standards for medicine would have to be dropped considerably to faciltate it.

    Ok, you're going to have to give me an ELI5 version of this.

    You're ok with legalisation, but not for medical purposes, but it if gets a license it can be bought for medical purposes... which is the same as legalsiation whcih you are in favour of?

    What am I missing here? Where does the license ome in to play? Who has to be licensed - the vendor or the product? Or the buyer?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #1323
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    jh79 wrote: »
    For getting involved in a stunt like that.

    If she wanted to get what she believes to be medicine she might of had more success on her own.

    I've no doubt she would have any problem in getting what she wants. I think we can take that as a given at this stage.

    I suspect she is doing it for those that aren't in the public eye.


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    #1324
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭jh79


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Ok, you're going to have to give me an ELI5 version of this.

    You're ok with legalisation, but not for medical purposes, but it if gets a license it can be bought for medical purposes... which is the same as legalsiation whcih you are in favour of?

    What am I missing here? Where does the license ome in to play? Who has to be licensed - the vendor or the product? Or the buyer?

    You don't understand why i would be agaisnt the selling of weed as medicine without evidence of effectiveness or safety?


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    #1325
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭jh79


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Ok, you're going to have to give me an ELI5 version of this.

    You're ok with legalisation, but not for medical purposes, but it if gets a license it can be bought for medical purposes... which is the same as legalsiation whcih you are in favour of?

    What am I missing here? Where does the license ome in to play? Who has to be licensed - the vendor or the product? Or the buyer?

    Had to look up ELI5.


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    #1326
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭jh79


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    I've no doubt she would have any problem in getting what she wants. I think we can take that as a given at this stage.

    I suspect she is doing it for those that aren't in the public eye.

    I'm sure her intentions are noble but I feel sorry for her that the BPB were the only ones willing to help. They have been useless. Filling her head with crap.


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    #1327
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,743 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    jh79 wrote: »
    I'm sure her intentions are noble but I feel sorry for her that the BPB were the only ones willing to help. They have been useless. Filling her head with crap.

    Gino Kenny and Ming Flanagan, two weapons grade beauties no doubt!


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    #1328
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,334 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    jh79 wrote: »
    You don't understand why i would be agaisnt the selling of weed as medicine without evidence of effectiveness or safety?

    Ah, that's the bit I was missing. I was thinking from a buyer's perspective.

    (I didn't actually disagree with you, btw)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #1329
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭jh79


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Ah, that's the bit I was missing. I was thinking from a buyer's perspective.

    (I didn't actually disagree with you, btw)

    To be honest i wasn't sure what you were asking.

    Even if it was legalised tomorrow it would still be illegal to sell it as medicine.


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    #1330
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    jh79 wrote: »
    I'm sure her intentions are noble but I feel sorry for her that the BPB were the only ones willing to help. They have been useless. Filling her head with crap.

    She doesn't have to be 100% aligned with whatever they promote. To get what she wants she just needs exposure. Case in point... I haven't a clue what BPB are, I know what ming stands for, not too sure what Gino is at.
    So
    But I know 100% what she wants. So in that sense I don't think they have been 'useless'. Quite the opposite.


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    #1331
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭jh79


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    She doesn't have to be 100% aligned with whatever they promote. To get what she wants she just needs exposure. Case in point... I haven't a clue what BPB are, I know what ming stands for, not too sure what Gino is at.
    So
    But I know 100% what she wants. So in that sense I don't think they have been 'useless'. Quite the opposite.

    What have they achieved though?


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    #1332
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,168 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Viceland is worth a look now


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    #1333
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i doubt it was an attempt to get medicine for her child. she wants as much publicity as possible. she has achieved that. she is trying to shame the minister into doing something and i hope she succeeds.

    Without proper legislation and trials? She's really shot herself in the foot here. Bad enough aligning herself with anti water charge protests, but to pull a stunt like this is doing her cause more harm than good. If she really wanted the stuff for her kid, then WTF did she declare it?


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    #1334
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,168 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Chivalry is dead and buried, shame on the Ming and Gino for letting a mother take the wrap should be ashamed of themselves.


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    #1335
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,168 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Good Man Aodhan http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/senator-oriordain-calls-for-legalisation-of-cannabis-786709.html

    Senator O'Riordain calls for legalisation of cannabis

    Vote on it at 1pm


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    #1336
    bitburger
    Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭bitburger


    So what happened?


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    #1337
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Without proper legislation and trials? She's really shot herself in the foot here. Bad enough aligning herself with anti water charge protests, but to pull a stunt like this is doing her cause more harm than good. If she really wanted the stuff for her kid, then WTF did she declare it?

    Was she allowed bring it through with the Spanish consultant's letter?

    I've no doubt that if anyone wants the stuff in Ireland they could get it... through illicit means.


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    #1338
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,168 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Motions on legalisation of Cannabis & Decriminalisation of all personal drug use / addiction passed at labour conference.


    https://mobile.twitter.com/AodhanORiordain/status/855787286201589760?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


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    #1339
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭jh79


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    Was she allowed bring it through with the Spanish consultant's letter?

    I've no doubt that if anyone wants the stuff in Ireland they could get it... through illicit means.

    the doctors input is meaningless , afaik it is not an approved medicine over there either. this is not a case of someone not being allowed to bring their medicine into the country.


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    #1340
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    jh79 wrote: »
    the doctors input is meaningless , afaik it is not an approved medicine over there either. this is not a case of someone not being allowed to bring their medicine into the country.

    I thought she was previously given the go ahead as long as a consultant signed it off?

    Edit: just checked and she needed a letter from pediatric neurologist....
    She says she got the ok from a 'specialist' in Spain so dunno if that was a ped. Neurologist!
    If it were would she be in the clear?


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    #1341
    [Deleted User]
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    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    I thought she was previously given the go ahead as long as a consultant signed it off?

    Edit: just checked and she needed a letter from pediatric neurologist....
    She says she got the ok from a 'specialist' in Spain so dunno if that was a ped. Neurologist!
    If it were would she be in the clear?

    Did she bring the child for a consultation?


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    #1342
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Did she bring the child for a consultation?

    Alls I can discern from the journal is she went to a 'specialist'.... so I suppose that's a consultation!


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    #1343
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    Alls I can discern from the journal is she went to a 'specialist'.... so I suppose that's a consultation!

    But was it a Registered Medical Practitioner, like a G.P. here, if not, maybe that's part of the problem.

    What did she actually get??
    Cannabis leaf for processing?
    Cannabis Oil with THC and CBD?****
    or Oil with CBD only?
    Its not very clear on any of the news items, but I do think she has shot herself in the foot here.
    Her end goal is to help her child, if she was certain of what she was buying, why make a show about it, buy it, get it home quietly and see if it helps the child.

    For anyone interested, I see Holland and Barret now stock CBD oil from Hemp extract, advertised as a Food Supplement.

    ****Edit: I see in the Journal the oil contained THC


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    #1344
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    But was it a Registered Medical Practitioner, like a G.P. here, if not, maybe that's part of the problem.

    What did she actually get??
    Cannabis leaf for processing?
    Cannabis Oil with THC and CBD?
    or Oil with CBD only?
    Its not very clear on any of the news items, but I do think she has shot herself in the foot here.
    Her end goal is to help her child, if she was certain of what she was buying, why make a show about it, buy it, get it home quietly and see if it helps the child.

    For anyone interested, I see Holland and Barret now stock CBD oil from Hemp extract, advertised as a Food Supplement.


    We can only surmise that she's doing it for others and to drive the point home... otherwise we have to assume that she (by her account) is putting her child's welfare at risk by 'getting caught'.

    As I said earlier... someone 'like her' with her high profile could get it if desired. So 'going quietly' to 'smuggle it in' wouldn't be necessary in a case like hers.


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    #1345
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Mum's victory for severely ill son as she walks through customs at Dublin despite declaring she was carrying CANNABIS

    So how is this case so different??


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    #1346
    [Deleted User]
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    K.Flyer wrote: »
    Mum's victory for severely ill son as she walks through customs at Dublin despite declaring she was carrying CANNABIS

    So how is this case so different??

    The absence of supportive leftie politicians.


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    #1347
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭jh79


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    But was it a Registered Medical Practitioner, like a G.P. here, if not, maybe that's part of the problem.

    What did she actually get??
    Cannabis leaf for processing?
    Cannabis Oil with THC and CBD?****
    or Oil with CBD only?
    Its not very clear on any of the news items, but I do think she has shot herself in the foot here.
    Her end goal is to help her child, if she was certain of what she was buying, why make a show about it, buy it, get it home quietly and see if it helps the child.

    For anyone interested, I see Holland and Barret now stock CBD oil from Hemp extract, advertised as a Food Supplement.

    ****Edit: I see in the Journal the oil contained THC

    the consultant needs to have her daughter as a patient and monitor her use of weed, the spanish consultant just wrote a referral letter for weed, a document that legally means nothing.

    She was smuggling recreational drugs into the country. if it is not officially medicine in spain how can it be considered medicine here, where is the logic of this stunt?


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    #1348
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭jh79


    btw , greetings from Amsterdam.

    weird that you can smoke joints in the pub but fags are not allowed.

    Feeling super healthy after all the "medicine" i am having.


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    #1349
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    We can only surmise that she's doing it for others and to drive the point home... otherwise we have to assume that she (by her account) is putting her child's welfare at risk by 'getting caught'.

    As I said earlier... someone 'like her' with her high profile could get it if desired. So 'going quietly' to 'smuggle it in' wouldn't be necessary in a case like hers.

    I think this goes deeper than this.This is a campaign to get ot legalised; period, something maybe a mother should do from a point of safety for her child. Bet medication FIRST then when the child is safe go all out.WHat she has done is challenge and polarise the authorities and made a rod for her own back .

    She was told face to face at ministerial level that it was up to the drs and they have slammed the doors on her.

    Now she will be on record with Customs etc. and more hurdles to jump


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    #1350
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    Mum's victory for severely ill son as she walks through customs at Dublin despite declaring she was carrying CANNABIS

    So how is this case so different??

    Good question; maybe that she actually took the child to LA and got him treated there? Which is a different approach.


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    #1351
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,262 ✭✭✭jh79


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Good question; maybe that she actually took the child to LA and got him treated there? Which is a different approach.

    i'd say it was because less of a fuss was made the custom official probably thought it would be ok to turn a blind eye. With Gino, Ming and the press making a song and a dance about it this custom official probably thought it was safer to follow the law.


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