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K.Flyer wrote: »

Mum's victory for severely ill son as she walks through customs at Dublin despite declaring she was carrying CANNABIS

So how is this case so different??

She clearly wasnt talking to Bruce.

K.Flyer

Graces7 wrote: »

Good question; maybe that she actually took the child to LA and got him treated there? Which is a different approach.

jh79 wrote: »

the consultant needs to have her daughter as a patient and monitor her use of weed, the spanish consultant just wrote a referral letter for weed, a document that legally means nothing.

She was smuggling recreational drugs into the country. if it is not officially medicine in spain how can it be considered medicine here, where is the logic of this stunt?

We were talking about this last night and we figured that this is the main difference between the families from Cork and Tyrone in that both of them brought their children to be examined in person by a consultant, albeit in America, who determined which treatment to use and prescribed same.

jh79

K.Flyer wrote: »

We were talking about this last night and we figured that this is the main difference between the families from Cork and Tyrone in that both of them brought their children to be examined in person by a consultant, albeit in America, who determined which treatment to use and prescribed same.

What difference would that make? There are no prescriptions involved in the US or Spain , they are simply letters .It is totally at the discretion of the custom oficial. Like a guard catching you with a small amount of weed , might get away with it. Letter from your mammy saying you fell in with a bad crowd is about as useful as a letter from a consultant.

K.Flyer

jh79 wrote: »

What difference would that make? There are no prescriptions involved in the US or Spain , they are simply letters .It is totally at the discretion of the custom oficial. Like a guard catching you with a small amount of weed , might get away with it. Letter from your mammy saying you fell in with a bad crowd is about as useful as a letter from a consultant.

Not sure what you mean, Doctors in the U.S. are writing prescriptions for patients to get marijuana for medical reasons.

jh79

K.Flyer wrote: »

Not sure what you mean, Doctors in the U.S. are writing prescriptions for patients to get marijuana for medical reasons.

No they are not, it is not recognised as medicine by the fda. They get a referrall letter not a prescription.

Gino et al say prescription cause it sounds better.

K.Flyer

jh79 wrote: »

No they are not, it is not recognised as medicine by the fda. They get a referrall letter not a prescription.

Gino et al say prescription cause it sounds better.

Ok so, they have to use a different term for federal reasons.
Still doesn't change the fact that two families were permitted to import the product containing THC. Presuming the difference being that their children were seen by a consultant over there.

mulbot

jh79 wrote: »

No they are not, it is not recognised as medicine by the fda. They get a referrall letter not a prescription.

Gino et al say prescription cause it sounds better.

They do in Canada

jh79

mulbot wrote: »

They do in Canada

They don't, it is not recognised as medicine there either, i put up a link to it before. Has no medicinal value according their health department.

jh79

K.Flyer wrote: »

Ok so, they have to use a different term for federal reasons.
Still doesn't change the fact that two families were permitted to import the product containing THC. Presuming the difference being that their children were seen by a consultant over there.

It has nothing to do with federal laws. It is not an approved medicine so no precription can be produced.

The local laws use the term "medicinal" but it has nothing with to do with medicine legally. It is just marketing.

It was up to the custom officials. It has nothing to do with consultants from abroad.

drunkmonkey

Can anyone call themselves a Doctor here and write a prescription for cannabis?

There's a place in Barcelona that will give you certification so your a medical cannabis Doctor, I wonder is that where they went for the oil? http://cbdoilclinic.org/services/

mulbot

jh79 wrote: »

They don't, it is not recognised as medicine there either, i put up a link to it before. Has no medicinal value according their health department.

It's still a medical document written out by a practitioner.

jh79

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can anyone call themselves a Doctor here and write a prescription for cannabis?

There's a place in Barcelona that will give you certification so your a medical cannabis Doctor, I wonder is that where they went for the oil? http://cbdoilclinic.org/services/

You can't write a prescription if its not approved.

jh79

mulbot wrote: »

It's still a medical document written out by a practitioner.

Doesn't matter, she hasn't been prescribed it. The letter is just so she can join cannabis clubs. Meaningless outside of their system.

jh79

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can anyone call themselves a Doctor here and write a prescription for cannabis?

There's a place in Barcelona that will give you certification so your a medical cannabis Doctor, I wonder is that where they went for the oil? http://cbdoilclinic.org/services/

if this is true shows how serious medical marijuana is taken.

K.Flyer

jh79 wrote: »

You can't write a prescription if its not approved.

How come a doctor can, and does, write out a prescription for St. John's Wort?
Its not a medicine, but you can get it on prescription.

K.Flyer

K.Flyer wrote: »

How come a doctor can, and does, write out a prescription for St. John's Wort?
Its not a medicine, but you can get it on prescription.

St Johns Wort is licensed and only available on prescription as it is used to treat mild depression. It was available over the counter, but withdrawn and returned as prescription only as it was felt that self treatment for depression wasn't advisable.

jh79

K.Flyer wrote: »

How come a doctor can, and does, write out a prescription for St. John's Wort?
Its not a medicine, but you can get it on prescription.

It doesn't need a prescription according to the HPRA website it just needs to be got from a pharmacy.

jh79

Deleted User wrote: »

St Johns Wort is licensed and only available on prescription as it is used to treat mild depression. It was available over the counter, but withdrawn and returned as prescription only as it was felt that self treatment for depression wasn't advisable.

It was because it can react with medicine such as the contraceptive pill. The pharmacist just needs to check what medicine you are on before you can buy it.

K.Flyer

jh79 wrote: »

It was because it can react with medicine such as the contraceptive pill. The pharmacist just needs to check what medicine you are on before you can buy it.

When was it taken off the prescription only list?
I don't see anything on HPRA about it other than a recall.

jh79

http://www.hpra.ie/homepage/medicines/medicines-information/find-a-medicine/results/item?pano=TR1563/002/002&t=HOLLAND%20&%20BARRETT%20HYPERICUM

supply StatusSupply through pharmacies only
Dispensing StatusProduct not subject to medical prescription

K.Flyer

jh79 wrote: »

http://www.hpra.ie/homepage/medicines/medicines-information/find-a-medicine/results/item?pano=TR1563/002/002&t=HOLLAND%20&%20BARRETT%20HYPERICUM

supply StatusSupply through pharmacies only
Dispensing StatusProduct not subject to medical prescription

They must have changed it recently..

The herb was classified as a prescription-only medicine in 2000 by the Irish Medicines Board, which is now known as the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA). This was due to concerns over the quality of products available.

jh79

K.Flyer wrote: »

They must have changed it recently..

[W QuoteThe herb was classified as a prescription-only medicine in 2000 by the Irish Medicines Board, which is now known as the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA). This was due to concerns over the quality of products available.

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fair enough , herbs are dodgy alright quality wise, it does react with other medicine too, quite serious ones.

jh79

looks like we are all right;

The herb was classified as a prescription-only medicine in 2000 by the Irish Medicines Board, which is now known as the Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA). This was due to concerns over the quality of products available.

There were also concerns about the herb's interaction with other commonly-used drugs, such as anti-depressants, the oral contraceptive pill and warfarin.

It was also felt that depression should not be self-medicated.

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=24993

jh79

Jury's still out on its use;

https://nccih.nih.gov/health/stjohnswort/sjw-and-depression.htm#science

What the Science Says About St. John’s Wort for Depression
Study results on the effectiveness of St. John’s wort for depression are mixed.

A 2009 systematic review of 29 international studies suggested that St. John’s wort may be better than a placebo (an inactive substance that appears identical to the study substance) and as effective as standard prescription antidepressants for major depression of mild to moderate severity. St. John’s wort also appeared to have fewer side effects than standard antidepressants. The studies—conducted in German-speaking countries where St. John’s wort has a long history of use by medical professionals—reported more positive results than those done in other countries, including the United States.

Two studies, both sponsored by NCCIH and the National Institute of Mental Health, did not have positive results. Neither St. John’s wort nor a standard antidepressant medication decreased symptoms of minor depression better than a placebo in a 2011 study. The herb was no more effective than placebo in treating major depression of moderate severity in a large 2002 study.

Seanachai

jh79 wrote: »

Jury's still out on its use;

https://nccih.nih.gov/health/stjohnswort/sjw-and-depression.htm#science

What the Science Says About St. John’s Wort for Depression
Study results on the effectiveness of St. John’s wort for depression are mixed.

A 2009 systematic review of 29 international studies suggested that St. John’s wort may be better than a placebo (an inactive substance that appears identical to the study substance) and as effective as standard prescription antidepressants for major depression of mild to moderate severity. St. John’s wort also appeared to have fewer side effects than standard antidepressants. The studies—conducted in German-speaking countries where St. John’s wort has a long history of use by medical professionals—reported more positive results than those done in other countries, including the United States.

Two studies, both sponsored by NCCIH and the National Institute of Mental Health, did not have positive results. Neither St. John’s wort nor a standard antidepressant medication decreased symptoms of minor depression better than a placebo in a 2011 study. The herb was no more effective than placebo in treating major depression of moderate severity in a large 2002 study.

Herbalists will tell you that it exacerbates manic depression, it's not suitable for all depressive disorders.

gctest50

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0944711317300570

When the standard malaria medications failed to help 18 critically ill patients, the attending physician in a Congo clinic acted under the “compassionate use” doctrine and prescribed a not-yet-approved malaria therapy made only from the dried leaves of the Artemisia annua plant. In just five days, all 18 people fully recovered.

evolving_doors

jh79 wrote: »

btw , greetings from Amsterdam.

weird that you can smoke joints in the pub but fags are not allowed.

Feeling super healthy after all the "medicine" i am having.

Still feeling tip top? :pac:

jh79

Gebgbegb wrote: »

Still feeling tip top? :pac:

Hanging in there.

InTheTrees

A USA Today story about the studies being conducted in Israel for treating Autism:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/25/marijuana-pot-treatment-children-autism-cannabis-oil/100381156/

Seanachai

gctest50 wrote: »

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0944711317300570

Used for fever in Chinese medicine, they extract the artemisinin and it's used to treat parasites. It is one of the most bitter substances known to man, I bit into a capsule by accident and it was intense.