Formula 1 2016: Round 19 - Mexico Grand Prix

skipper_G

Faugheen wrote: »

Nico in full back-track mode there..

She was the one who said Lewis in response to his remark. Sounded to me as he was talking about Verstappen

HighLine

skipper_G wrote: »

She was the one who said Lewis in response to his remark. Sounded to me as he was talking about Verstappen

Didn't he say "how did he get away with that?" which suggests he was talking about Lewis and not Max.

Larbre34

Faugheen wrote: »

Why doesn't Seb get the Larbre34 treatment?

I said what he did was intolerable and would likely be sanctioned, or did you miss that in your rush to be offended?

Besides, I'm better disposed towards Seb than Hamilton. On other days he may have got the full treatment from me, say during 2013, but thats history.

Faugheen

skipper_G wrote: »

She was the one who said Lewis in response to his remark. Sounded to me as he was talking about Verstappen

I didn't hear him once mention Max in that part. It was more him getting caught out and he back-tracked.

skipper_G

HighLine wrote: »

Didn't he say "how did he get away with that?" which suggests he was talking about Lewis and not Max.

That's what he said yes, but he pulled her up when she said Lewis and clarified he was talking about Max. Then said the move Max made was too much and was worried about damage to his car.

Faugheen

Larbre34 wrote: »

I said what he did was intolerable and would likely be sanctioned, or did you miss that in your rush to be offended?

Besides, I'm better disposed towards Seb than Hamilton. On other days he may have got the full treatment from me, say during 2013, but thats history.

But you also said it was hilarious, no?

My point is that your nonsense towards Hamilton was completely ott, and if you go back through the posts, you'll find I wasn't the only one to say that either.

LEIN

Was never a fan of Vet. He has slipped even further down after today.

He just bitches his way throught each race weekend, was funny at the start, boring AF now.

Definitly not diver of the day, in my view.

hotwhiskey

LEIN wrote: »

Was never a fan of Vet. He has slipped even further down after today.

He just bitches his way throught each race weekend, was funny at the start, boring AF now.

Definitly not diver of the day, in my view.

Vettel's Reply

Charlie-Bravo

Vettel should be sanctioned for today's antics. No need for it and then attacking Charlie in that way. It brings the sport into disrepute. He deserves something to put him back in his place.

Cdosrun

Faugheen wrote: »

Seb is in full arsehole mode today.

LOL @ him calling Max 'Mark'

Read me last post, He drank to much champers as no time for water. He was drinking it like weter.

HighLine

astrofluff wrote: »

Vettel should be sanctioned for today's antics. No need for it and then attacking Charlie in that way. It brings the sport into disrepute. He deserves something to put him back in his place.

It really doesn't bring the sport into disrepute. But even if it did, it was FOM that decided to broadcast the radio transmissions.

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HighLine wrote: »

It really doesn't bring the sport into disrepute. But even if it did, it was FOM that decided to broadcast the radio transmissions.

but the radio channels are broadcast through the pitlane live. TV viewers gets a delayed sample. Doesnt matter that they were broadcast.

The penalties are not consistent. Hamilton basically outbraked himself into turn one and goes off track. Last week we had no track limits observed.

ricimaki

Vettel and the bulls were definitely the most exciting part of that race, but mostly for the wrong reasons. Verstappen should have given the place to him on track, and let Ricciardo attempt an overtake. When Vettel wasn't let through, he should definitely voice his opinion on it, but shouldn't go so far as to shout abuse down the radio. I think both Max and Vettel should have been penalised. Ricciardo and Vettel got very close, but that was good racing by both of them, and I don't think Vettel did anything wrong there.

Max did exactly the same as Hamilton did on lap 1. Rosberg/Max were close, and had Hamilton rejoined earlier rather than skip turn 2/3, he would definitely be side by side with one of them by turn 4. A 5 second penalty for Hamilton at the pits would have spiced up the lead. The safety car is irrelevant, as a penalty is served after it. Being a lap one incident is also irrelevant, as there was no one in front, and only 2 cars directly behind.

Fans are always calling for consistent penalties, but then divide when something like today happens. It sends a very bad message when the winner isn't penalised for something that removes a driver from the podium, but a driver shouting abuse at the race director gets bumped up.

Cdosrun

Verstappen has got away with a few things this year and I think that is what went against.

Ghost Train

I see Rush is starting now on channel 4

mickdw

Has vettel actually got away with telling Charlie to f*ck off?
I think there will be more about that.
I didn't see anything wrong with vettel squeezing ricciardo alittle when being overtaken. That is not the dangerous Type Of moving under Braking. He moved when ricciardo was along side and they both handled it beautifully.

Ghost Train

Not seeing a decision yet on the Ricciardo incident


This is the wording on defensive moved under braking in the mexico event notes

18) Defensive manoeuvres
18.1 Article 27.5 of the Sporting Regulations states that “…no car may be driven…in a manner which
could be potentially dangerous to other drivers…”, furthermore, Article 27.8 prohibits any
manoeuvre “…liable to hinder other drivers, such as…any abnormal change of direction”.
With the above in mind, and with the exception of any move permitted by Article 27.6, any
change of direction under braking which results in another driver having to take evasive action
will be considered abnormal and hence potentially dangerous to other drivers. Any such move
will be reported to the stewards.

Ghost Train

Wonder if this is accurate

Shame Ricciardo missed the podium

https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/792875526943674368

HighLine

Shame another penalty is handed out for a racing incident. We do want to watch racing right?

hotwhiskey

Ghost Train wrote: »

Wonder if this is accurate

Shame Ricciardo missed the podium

https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/792875526943674368

He got the 10 sec penalty for dangerous driving. This is a joke. This sport has no credibility.

I could see him getting punishment for his language. Wow I'm speechless.

Edit: It now says potentially dangerous driving. So there are not sure. Lol

v3ttel

That was a fairly poor race except for the last 5 laps. Verstappen was rightly penalised. When your own team tell you to hand the place back, then clearly there is a problem.

The move with Ricciardo was on the limit but I think its the right result all in all (unless they decide to penalise Vettel). Max deserved to be penalised and Vettel would have held 3rd if Max didn't illegally stay ahead of him. It was a bit of a dickhead thing to do to then try to back Vettel into Ricciardo, but fantastic wheel to wheel between them. The control they both had there was unbelievable in that incident where Vettel was squeezing him.

Vettel's rant was pretty hilarious. I normally wouldn't condone that but there's been a number of strange calls this season. What was happening was clearly not right. They should have ordered Max to give the place back rather than sit on their hands for the next few laps.

Cdosrun

HighLine wrote: »

Shame another penalty is handed out for a racing incident. We do want to watch racing right?

Damn it was good 30 years ago in black and white.
Now in Colour HD it's turning to sh1t when we should be seeing great racing.

Ghost Train

I think it is consistent with the rules though, drivers have be complaining about cars moving under braking

here more info on decision
https://twitter.com/Gianludale27/status/792880240116789248

mickdw

Destroying the sport.
The ricciardo attempted overtake was masterful from both.

Autosport

If it was the other way around Vettel would pull a strop

Joeface

Boring enough until the end, track needs a small adjustments to help the over taking opportunities. Vettel, Max was all hand bag stuff really. Ferrari just seem to have no idea how to set up the car or race strategy until its too late.


Never vote on the Driver of the day, but Palmer deserves a mention. Some drive in a Renault on one set of tyres pretty much.

Just saw the vettel penalty.must be for his mouthing off. Thought both drivers were going excellent through the that exchange

Cdosrun

Autosport wrote: »

If it was the other way around Vettel would pull a strop

Yeah they all would now,at least Verstappen just walked off and just said its fine.
He's a kid that knows how it is and tries to get away with what he can. That makes it good.

Ghost Train

Brian CivilEng

Are you kidding me? Why do we even bother watching Formula 1 anymore if the likes of this is happening. Another penalty for not being Verstappen.

RobertKK

Not a great race for F1, too much controversy over that 3rd place.

In the end we get the Austin podium, which thankfully lacked the mess of Mexico.
I don't think all this chopping and changing of third place was good for F1, it should have been done within the race as nothing changed after the race, and if it was not clear cut and it took time then they should have left it be.

Cool_CM

RobertKK wrote: »

Not a great race for F1, too much controversy over that 3rd place.

At least it was all sorted out on the day, it took Fisichella a few days to be declared the winner of the 2003 Brazilian GP!

Mike Litoris

Hehehe, you couldn't make this up. So Vettel has a canary about Max breaking the rules while breaking the recent rule change/amendment he helped get introduced.


http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/37819437



Either way, the last few laps turned a pretty shíte race into a memorable one.

cherryghost

For me this was a hugely embarrassing post-race and just gives the sport a bad image, especially new viewers to the sport. I think there is a huge problem of rules and regulations that need to be addressed. I can imagine more bargy racing next year with the widened tyres, and if the rules are as strict as they are this year, racing and overtaking could be seen as a fearful move for racers as a penalty looms over them.

Utter joke and there's also a level of double standards of the implementations of the rules that piss me off too.

Cookie_Monster

CFlat wrote: »

Vettel is going to be in big do da now. Questioning the race director live on TV and chucking insults at him.

skipper_G wrote: »

Shocking response from Vettel over the radio to Charlie

I agree with Vettel 100%, Whiting is a ****ing disgrace. He more than anyone has done more damage to the sport recently with all the stupid over the top penalties, complete inconsistency and whining over safety. He should have been forced to move on years ago.

Ghost Train wrote: »

Do they fine the drivers for bad language?

They really shouldn't, it's such a stupid thing to be hung up on, it's only words

weisses

I just checked Hamilton going off track vs Verstappen ... Both cars were in front of the other car ..Both drivers braked to late and yet only one is punished ... ridiculous

They should both be penalized is my opinion

LEIN

weisses wrote: »

I just checked Hamilton going off track vs Verstappen ... Both cars were in front of the other car ..Both drivers braked to late and yet only one is punished ... ridiculous

They should both be penalized is my opinion

Or, at least be consistent.

Charlie-Bravo

Wow, I wake up to a 10 penalty. That's justified for his overall behaviour but not necessarily the racing tactics.

weisses

LEIN wrote: »

Or, at least be consistent.

Yes ...

I understand Max didn't give back the spot giving the fact Hamilton got away with it.

If Hamilton was penalized for that action in turn 1, Verstappen would have given the position to Vettel and none of this would have happened

boardsuser1

weisses wrote: »

Yes ...

I understand Max didn't give back the spot giving the fact Hamilton got away with it.

If Hamilton was penalized for that action in turn 1, Verstappen would have given the position to Vettel and none of this would have happened

The stewards were probably afraid to give Hamilton a penalty due to the potential implications it could have had for the title.

I understand Jean Todt wasn't a happy man with what happened during/after the race.

mickdw

It appears that they are unable to interpret or apply their own rules.
The moving under Braking thing is mainly to avoid the airplane type accident you can have if the defending driver moves into your path at start of braking zone. The vettel moving under Braking incident was just great driving by both. Ricciardo got alongside, vettel squeezed him to a car width, both controlling it every metre of the way. Vettel continued to give him room and didn't turn in until ricciardo was able to make the corner all the while both managing to stay on track.
It would appear to be the definition of Good wheel to wheel racing.

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weisses wrote: »

Yes ...

I understand Max didn't give back the spot giving the fact Hamilton got away with it.

If Hamilton was penalized for that action in turn 1, Verstappen would have given the position to Vettel and none of this would have happened

Sky sports website has a video of the incidents with Di Resta explaining. Look at the Max onboard footage. He is practically in Hamiltons tyre tracks across the grass from his first corner incident.

Max gets a penalty, Hamilton doesn't. I think they need to put an alternate route like Monza first corner or Canada last corner if the driver misses the corner.

Riccardo was spot on when he said why should Max been penalised and nothing for Hamilton when they both cut the corner due to locking a wheel under braking.

Most races these days are fairly dull.

Brian CivilEng

The only consistency I can see this year is that every time I cheer great driving in a race that driver is penalised.

mickdw

Much as I dislike hamilton, you will rarely see a penalty applied for 1st or 2nd corner incidents. I think the attitude from Charlie is that if they can avoid contact, all is good

boardsuser1

Verstappen's attitude is a big factor in it. he is a good driver but controversial.

mickdw

I think the worst decision all season was Rosbergs penalty for a lovely overtake on Verstappen In Germany.
If they interpret the moving under Braking rule as they did in Vettels case yesterday, then verstappen moved line similarly while rosberg was alongside, forcing a different line to the corner under Braking.

Ghost Train

Yes I still don't like that Rosberg penalty. The move yesterday was similar in some ways, Vettel changing direction did cause Ricciardo to have to react, lock up and it ruined his tyres.

What's different now though are the rules/guidelines have been changed since the US grand prix to help the driver who's overtaking

Charlie-Bravo

supremenovice wrote: »

I backed Vettel at 33/1 each way with Boylesports. Its saying on my account its a losing bet. :eek:
Ill give them an hour to sort it or supremenovice is gonna be sending an F bomb message of his own.

How did that work out for you in the end?! Did you get a payout?!!

Brian CivilEng

Verstappen really needs his comeuppance. That smirk on his face in the photo with Ricciardo and the trophy. If he had obeyed the rules and listened to his engineer Vettel would have been up the track and the two Red Bulls fighting over fourth. But by breaking the rules he ended up with a better position so the lesson he learned is that he did nothing wrong.

In the last race he ignored his engineer too. At some point Red Bull need to sanction him.

boardsuser1

abitofacomedian wrote: »

Verstappen really needs his comeuppance. That smirk on his face in the photo with Ricciardo and the trophy. If he had obeyed the rules and listened to his engineer Vettel would have been up the track and the two Red Bulls fighting over fourth. But by breaking the rules he ended up with a better position so the lesson he learned is that he did nothing wrong.

In the last race he ignored his engineer too. At some point Red Bull need to sanction him.

I don't ever recall his dad having an attitude like that. They might be father and son but are very definitely chalk and cheese.

LEIN