Hillary Clinton email scandal

Pro Hoc Vice

Amazingfun wrote: »

Yes, it is funny that you don't already know that Wikileaks published the data to their website before Twitter, RT got it from there.

#gettingdesperate

http://americablog.com/2016/10/russia-scoops-wikileaks-new-podesta-emails-things-make-go-hmm.html

Can you link to a source for your claim

Amazingfun

lol, you made the "claim" and have offered a blog and a "us blasting news" as your "sources". Please.

See ya later after we discover what's in the next Wikileaks drop

Pro Hoc Vice

Amazingfun wrote: »

lol, you made the "claim" and have offered a blog and a "us blasting news" as your "sources". Please.

See ya later after we discover what's in the next Wikileaks drop

Lol you offered twitter you mean the next kremlin drop I assume. Was there anything in the post that you can show is wrong.

Amazingfun

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Lol you offered twitter you mean the next kremlin drop I assume. Was there anything in the post that you can show is wrong.

Again:

1. I linked the New York Times article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html


2. I linked to one Twitter convo about the story, which could lead you to many other links and voices if you followed it.
But maybe you don't know how to use Twitter?

Pro Hoc Vice

Amazingfun wrote: »

Again:

1. I linked the New York Times article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html


2. I linked to one Twitter convo about the story, which could lead you to many other links and voices if you followed it.
But maybe you don't know how to use Twitter?

Can you point to one reference to a secret server in that article. To make it clear I made a claim the trump had a secret server connected to a Russian bank where does the article deal with claim.

I have not found any support that the claim re the server is wrong. If you are aware of one link it to be clear a link to the asseration the server story is made up or wrong.

ECO_Mental

Iceboy wrote: »

Wikileaks has yet to post any false information since being founded in 2006.

I'll take their word.

I don't understand how people can actually defend Hilary Clinton so much? What is it going to take to bring this criminal down. Many people are in jail or have been sentenced for doing 1/100th of the things Hilary is guilty of, her and Bill are career criminal politicians and I'm sick to death of hearing her constant lies and watching her smug fake smile mouth off complete lies to everybody thinking she can just get away with it!

"b-b-but Trump said mean things"...gimme a break

I am getting sick of this crap about Hillary, she has spent the last 30 years being investigated by the GOP with spurious claims and innuendos trying to bring her down and paint her as this super criminal and there has been NOTHING. Please point me in the direction of any criminal conviction that Hillary has been actually been convicted of.

Forget about Bengazi with it's 8 investigations (nothing) the FBI and emails (nothing) the Clinton Foundation which is one of the most transparent foundations out there (Nothing). the clintons have 30 years of tax returns on record (nothing). It's been a 30 year smear campaign by the GOP and you have got suckered in. But when you have the likes of Fox news etc every time they mention Clinton by name they automaticly say "trust issues, corruption allegations" people will start to believe it.

Meanwhile in the Trump universe we have no transparency no tax returns, his foundation is used to buy portraits of himself and he had been involved in I think over 3000 lawsuits and had been convicted of a good few and currently going to court for large scale FRAUD and an underage sex case.

Come on man........

Hande hoche!

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Can you point to one reference to a secret server in that article. To make it clear I made a claim the trump had a secret server connected to a Russian bank where does the article deal with claim.

I have not found any support that the claim re the server is wrong. If you are aware of one link it to be clear a link to the asseration the server story is made up or wrong.

From the article, https://i.sli.mg/6L2U0B.jpg

Pro Hoc Vice

Hande hoche! wrote: »

From the article, https://i.sli.mg/6L2U0B.jpg

Which they "doubt" I take the word of the guy who codded most of the DNS code than a "source" from a unidentified and undated post. Again it does not debunk the claim.

Sierra Oscar

Post-ABC Tracking Poll: Trump 46, Clinton 45, as Democratic enthusiasm dips

The tracking poll finds little shift in Clinton's overall support following news of the FBI's renewed look at Clinton e-mails, but strong enthusiasm among her supporters fell behind Trump in combined Saturday and Sunday interviews. By 53 to 43 percent, more Trump supporters say they are "very enthusiastic" about him, compared with Thursday and Friday when Trump's edge was negligible (53 percent vs. 51 percent).

Hillary's lead has vanished. It seems some of her voters will decide to stay at home, which is terrible news for her campaign.

Permabear

This post has been deleted.

Amerika

The US Department of Justice announced it is also joining the probe into Huma's emails located on Weiner's computer. Assistant attorney General Peter Kadzik will be heading up the investigation. Hmmm, Kadzik... John Podesta's BFF? The guy about who Podesta once wrote... Kadzik was a "fantastic lawyer" who "kept me out of jail?" One does not need to be some sort of Nostradamus to guess the outcome of the DOJ's investigation... "Nothing to see here, please move along!"

26000 Elephants

Amazingfun wrote: »

Also, weren't you "concerned" about the quality of sources a few posts back? But you are smearing Wikileaks through a "us blasting news" site?
That "journalist" has only 880 followers on Twitter, lol....seems a bit strange.

How about 3m+ for Newsweek?

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/785662689817133056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Mr.Micro

If Trump gets in, looking likely, the US is in for a rocky/ dangerous 4 years, and I hope it is prepared. If Clinton gets in, who knows, probably several scandals. The US better get ready for trouble either way.

Billy86

Amazingfun wrote: »

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is under actual FBI Investigation, among other things (Uranium deal with Russia, DNC chair giving her debate questions and her not reporting that).

I guess screeching "Russia" is all we can expect from Hillary fans today.

As is the trump campaign via Paul Manafort, only James Comey decided to keep that tightly under wraps despite being very concerned over what it entails and agreeing that Russia are indeed influencing the US election.

Why go to such lengths to keep quiet on Trump/Russia but then go public with a statement involving his own opinion and so much vagueness over Clinton/emails?

Some might be wondering if the same email hackers that Comey thinks are trying to influence the election have dirt on him that is making him act in entirely contradictory ways regarding each candidate, to the extent of probably breaking the Hatch Act and thus the law in order to do so.

Rightwing

Mr.Micro wrote: »

If Trump gets in, looking likely, the US is in for a rocky/ dangerous 4 years, and I hope it is prepared. If Clinton gets in, who knows, probably several scandals. The US better get ready for trouble either way.

Obama's administration escaped relatively lightly as the Fed slashed interests to zero, massive QE programmes, and a more than doubling of debt, out to $20 odd trilion. The next president won't have this luxury.

Time to get out the popcorn and watch a house of cards implode is fast approaching.

Billy86

Rightwing wrote: »

Obama's administration escaped relatively lightly as the Fed slashed interests to zero, massive QE programmes, and a more than doubling of debt, out to $20 odd trilion. The next president won't have this luxury.

Time to get out the popcorn and watch a house of cards implode is fast approaching.

Good thing our economy isn't at all interlinked with the US' so, this'll all be grand entertainment from our perspective!

rossie1977

Billy86 wrote: »

Good thing our economy isn't at all interlinked with the US' so, this'll all be grand entertainment from our perspective!

Yes if Ireland wasn't so linked to the us and its economy it would be hilarious to watch from the outside as another famous Republican celebrity with zero political experience tries to govern.

Amazingfun

26000 Elephants wrote: »

How about 3m+ for Newsweek?

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/785662689817133056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The "journalist" you cite here is rabid anti-Trump nut Kurt Eichenwald:

Apparently Kurt Eichenwald thought it was a good idea to contact an administrator of a child porn website, pay this person 2000$ dollars in cash, get administrative access to said website, "research" said pictures/videos(never told the Times how many of these documents he observed) and bring the owner to authorities

He is coming back to prevalence today after his various Trump hit pieces in Newsweek. In defense to the controversy concerning his child pornography piece, he claimed that he had "severe memory disruptions" and that he had a "deeply unreliable memory for names, facts and events" back in 2007.

http://pastebin.com/0dfKXypX

Mr.Micro

Rightwing wrote: »

Obama's administration escaped relatively lightly as the Fed slashed interests to zero, massive QE programmes, and a more than doubling of debt, out to $20 odd trilion. The next president won't have this luxury.

Time to get out the popcorn and watch a house of cards implode is fast approaching.

Yes indeed. If Trump runs the Presidency anything like his business empire, who knows what will happen, akin to Terminator or Titanic, (assuming he is elected by that pesky fixed election)

Amazingfun

Iceboy wrote: »

It seems like everyone is abandoning Hilarys ship now. Google as of today no longer manipulates the search engines in favour of her. Many people are unendorsing her and google trends show a massive spike in people who have early voted already searching can they change their vote.

Remember when you got this in response to suggesting Google was in cahoots with Hillary?

26000 Elephants wrote: »

"Google today announced that they will no longer be doing something that they haven't been doing all along"

Thats Hillary-ious...

Today:

@DrJillStein
#FollowTheMoney when you see the founder of the world's largest search engine colluding with a presidential candidate. #PodestaEmails


https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/793448846567337989

Amazingfun

Uh oh: Seems Michelle Obama has indeed done a "bleaching" of her Twitter accounts, as there isn't one post for the entire month of October that even mentions Hillary Clinton:

Michelle Obama has scrubbed all references to Hillary Clinton from both of her Twitter accounts as news breaks that Clinton is under two different FBI investigations involving four FBI offices.

The @FLOTUS account has been wiped clean of all traces of Hillary, and @MichelleObama, a verified page with almost six million followers, has been scrubbed all the way back to 2013.

http://yournewswire.com/michelle-obama-deletes-hillary-clinton-twitter/

brickmauser

K-9 wrote: »

Yeah, but Podesta or his team got advice from an expert saying the email was authentic, so he can't really be blamed there. He should have been told how to do it securely.

I worked in an internet shop once and none of these f*cking old people know how to use a f*cking computer!!!!

This whole scandal is hilarious.

26000 Elephants

Amazingfun wrote: »

Remember when you got this in response to suggesting Google was in cahoots with Hillary?




Today:

So donating money = cahoots with Hillary? Isn't the google business model supposed to be the other way round?

Anyway, I suppose it bnetter than being seen to support a right so-and-so like Trump.

26000 Elephants

Amazingfun wrote: »

Uh oh: Seems Michelle Obama has indeed done a "bleaching" of her Twitter accounts, as there isn't one post for the entire month of October that even mentions Hillary Clinton:



http://yournewswire.com/michelle-obama-deletes-hillary-clinton-twitter/

Have we been here before with the spooked-by-fbi,-deletes-tweets wheeze?

http://www.snopes.com/spooked-clinton-campaign-manager-deleted-tweets/

I didnt know that Michelle Obama made a point of tweeting about hillary? Do you have any examples of cached tweets that have since been deleted?

Edit: Proves to be yet another lie spread by Amazingfun
Obama scrubs twitter fake : Snopes

K-9

Manic Moran wrote: »

I'm a little lost on the conversation now, but if you're referring to the classified emails, there is no way of doing it securely.
We have an entirely different infrastructure to handle classified information. It's called "SIPRNET", and computers on one network do not talk to computers on the other network (i.e. those plugged into the Internet, NIPR). You can't just 'forward' from your SIPR to your NIPR account, you have to manually transfer files using a CD. (USB drives are usually disabled). Or you simply cross-type. It's a right nuisance, as it means you need two computers in your office.

I was posting about how Podesta got hacked.

K-9

Mod:
Up the standard of debate please. That would include not referring to candidates as rapists or criminals, stuff like that.

Keep that stuff for twitter, reddit or campaign rallies!

drunkmonkey

Going by todays Wikileaks it looks like Comey has the intent he was looking for the first time round. She got tipped off to delete the 30,000 emails which she did.

She's like the lady on the Titanic who doesn't think it's sinking while everyone else is running for the lifeboats.

There's enough to bring her in, FBI won't hesitate much longer.

Harvey Normal

26000 Elephants wrote: »

How about 3m+ for Newsweek?

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/785662689817133056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The standard thing about the American press now is to throw Russian in front of everything. It's like the catholic herald in 1955.

The real problem with Benghazi is the US involvement at all. In any fashion. At all. And Clinton - that was her war. She came, she saw, he died. Evil cackle.

Harvey Normal

brickmauser wrote: »

I worked in an internet shop once and none of these f*cking old people know how to use a f*cking computer!!!!

This whole scandal is hilarious.

Oh that explains trump's server then.

drunkmonkey

Harvey Normal wrote: »

The standard thing about the American press now is to throw Russian in front of everything. It's like the catholic herald in 1955.

The real problem with Benghazi is the US involvement at all. In any fashion. At all. And Clinton - that was her war. She came, she saw, he died. Evil cackle.

They threw in Russia but that's going to bite them in the ass, there's the little matter of the ruissian donation to the Hilton foundation and the sale of 20% of americas uranium.

Harvey Normal

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Going by todays Wikileaks it looks like Comey has the intent he was looking for the first time round. She got tipped off to delete the 30,000 emails which she did.

She's like the lady on the Titanic who doesn't think it's sinking while everyone else is running for the lifeboats.

There's enough to bring her in, FBI won't hesitate much longer.

Cripes. If she deleted something relevant to an investigation that's a felony. Marsha Stewart was jailed for that (not for insider trading as people sometimes think).

Amazingfun

This doesn't look good for John Podesta and Cheryl Mills, talking about "dumping emails", apparently one day after subpoena issued:

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:57 PM, John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On another matter....and not to sound like Lanny, but we are going to have
> to dump all those emails so better to do so sooner than later

https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/41841

drunkmonkey

It'll be gas tomorrow when wiki leaks release the 30,000 emails.

Amazingfun

don't tease!

I hope it happens, just see her face.

vetinari

So amidst all the chatter on this thread, what is it that Hillary Clinton is alleged to be hiding?
Is all this about the fact that there might be classified emails on Weiner's computer?
Is that it? Are the right wing supporters on here expecting to find something more?
It'd be nice if someone would actually make a proper allegation.
Deletion of emails seems to be the only accusation being made.

Harvey Normal

vetinari wrote: »

So amidst all the chatter on this thread, what is it that Hillary Clinton is alleged to be hiding?
Is all this about the fact that there might be classified emails on Weiner's computer?
Is that it? Are the right wing supporters on here expecting to find something more?
It'd be nice if someone would actually make a proper allegation.
Deletion of emails seems to be the only accusation being made.

Deleting emails is a felony if the emails were going to be part of a an investigation.
It's obstruction of justice.

FISMA.

Amazingfun wrote: »

This doesn't look good for John Podesta and Cheryl Mills, talking about "dumping emails", apparently one day after subpoena issued:

Last week an 11 point lead, today, Trump edges a head...

Look kids... a falling star!


Up 11pts last week and now Trump is the lead.

Can't wait for tomorrow!

26000 Elephants

FISMA. wrote: »

Can't wait for tomorrow!

Cant wait for December...

Why The New Child Rape Case Filed Against Donald Trump Should Not Be Ignoredl

Nabber

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It'll be gas tomorrow when wiki leaks release the 30,000 emails.

The next batch will be class. I find even the 'normal' mails are great insight to the people.

Leaked emails have been great for the past 20years, this is just the best of the best.

Looking back, I'd say the trump ,grab them by the pussy' card was played too early. Release it now and Trump would have been dead in the water.


I'm not in favour of opinion polls. I'm not sure of their purpose if only for them to sway undecideds.

Hillary or Trump, America is heading into uncertainty, be it good or bad? Who knows

aloyisious

Amerika wrote: »

The US Department of Justice announced it is also joining the probe into Huma's emails located on Weiner's computer. Assistant attorney General Peter Kadzik will be heading up the investigation. Hmmm, Kadzik... John Podesta's BFF? The guy about who Podesta once wrote... Kadzik was a "fantastic lawyer" who "kept me out of jail?" One does not need to be some sort of Nostradamus to guess the outcome of the DOJ's investigation... "Nothing to see here, please move along!"

Do you think this might make Dir Comyn adjust his career plans? Cos if Podesta's pal has taken over running/overseeing the investigation, it's cutting Comyn out of the loop. It'd be interesting if he's even allowed to get anywhere near the investigation or his FBI staff on it. Very embarrassing for him and anyone in congress singing his praises.

FISMA.

aloyisious wrote: »

Do you think this might make Dir Comyn adjust his career plans? Cos if Podesta's pal has taken over running/overseeing the investigation, it's cutting Comyn out of the loop. It'd be interesting if he's even allowed to get anywhere near the investigation or his FBI staff on it. Very embarrassing for him and anyone in congress singing his praises.

Sorry lad, you cannot prove intent.

Move along, nothing to see here. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here! !

Billy86

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Cripes. If she deleted something relevant to an investigation that's a felony. Marsha Stewart was jailed for that (not for insider trading as people sometimes think).

Yeah and if Trump raped a 13 year old child that's a felony that lots of people have gone to jail for too.

aloyisious

It might now seem to be almost a fact that whichever of the two main contenders get's in, if there is enough evidence found in either of the two investigations (Email or NY rape court case) against both, he/she will probably face successful impeachment proceedings. In Hillary's case, her running mate might be able to get away with a pardon for her (if she resigned after investiture) as it's about offending against congress, and it's for sure that the emails investigation will take months to conclude (even if several actual emails - not just traces - are found bearing the word "classified") well past Jan 20 next.

That's why Weiner's devices are now so important. His soon-to-be Ex has said she doesn't know how the emails got onto his devices, which itself is curious, to say the least.

IMO, Don's case is completely different. if the NY Judge hearing the case, before the election is over but before the investiture, thinks there's enough verifiable evidence to proceed with HOLDING A FULL CASE HEARING I can't see Don getting as far as investiture into office. The fallout would be too great for the office that (hopefully) even Don would have to acknowledge he's finished. Congress and the USSC chief justice would be fit to be tied if Don said "I won, I want the prize".

I don't know if, as the investiture isn't until Jan 20 next, Don's running mate will be eligible to step into the role of president as Don wouldn't have taken up office, making it hard for MP to fill the spot.

Edit.... seen Pro Hoc Vice's post below re pardoning of impeached president and of the NY court case status in law, deleted charges and arrest. Ta, PHV......

Pro Hoc Vice

aloyisious wrote: »

It might now seem to be almost a fact that whichever of the two main contenders get's in, if there is enough evidence found in either of the two investigations (Email or NY rape court case) against both, he/she will probably face successful impeachment proceedings. In Hillary's case, her running mate might be able to get away with a pardon for her (if she resigned after investiture) as it's about offending against congress as it's for sure that the emails investigation will take months, well past Jan 20 next.

IMO, Don's case is completely different. if the NY Judge hearing the case next month (Dec) after the election is over but before the investiture, thinks there's enough verifiable evidence to proceed with rape charges and an arrest, I can't see Don getting as far as investiture into office. The fallout would be too great for the office that (hopefully) even Don would have to acknowledge he's finished. Congress and the USSC chief justice would be fit to be tied if Don said "I won, I want the prize".

I don't know if, as the investiture isn't until Jan 20 next, Don's running mate will be eligible to step into the role of president as Don wouldn't have taken up office, making it hard for MP to fill the spot.

The president can"t pardon in impeachment.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

The Judge in the New York rape case is dealing with a civil case not criminal as the statue of limitations has run out in that case for a criminal prosecution.

Permabear

This post has been deleted.

jocmilt

I wonder how people who continue to support Hillary will talk to their children and grandchildren in years to come? You know, when they try to tell their young that lying and cheating is wrong and the young ones reply, "but grandma you supported Hillary even when it was shown she was a lying cheat".

aloyisious

jocmilt wrote: »

I wonder how people who continue to support Hillary will talk to their children and grandchildren in years to come? You know, when they try to tell their young that lying and cheating is wrong and the young ones reply, "but grandma you supported Hillary even when it was shown she was a lying cheat".

Lol at US TV's "rolling in the years 2016" edition sometime in the future and TV audience rollings their eyes saying "but everyone knew they were both lying cheats".....

Timberrrrrrrr

jocmilt wrote: »

I wonder how people who continue to support Hillary will talk to their children and grandchildren in years to come? You know, when they try to tell their young that lying and cheating is wrong and the young ones reply, "but grandma you supported Hillary even when it was shown she was a lying cheat".

Are you claiming Trump doesn't lie or cheat?

26000 Elephants

jocmilt wrote: »

I wonder how people who continue to support Hillary will talk to their children and grandchildren in years to come? You know, when they try to tell their young that lying and cheating is wrong and the young ones reply, "but grandma you supported Hillary even when it was shown she was a lying cheat".

"but grandma you supported Hillary even when it was shown she was a lying cheat"

"But she was running against Donald Trump."

[child hugs grandma]

"I'm so proud if you grandma..."

FISMA.

March 2, 2015: New York Times Reports: Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email Account at State Dept., Possibly Breaking Rules.

March 2, 2015 - 10:57PM: Podesta To Mills: "We Are Going To Have To Dump All Those Emails" ... "better to do so sooner than later."

March 4, 2015 - House Select Committee on Benghazi sends Hillary Clinton a document retention subpoena.

Somewhere after, 33,000 missing.

Now that's what we call intent!:rolleyes:

Can't wait to see the October surprise!