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Why is AI the same as a bull? It's a human hand being stuck up another animal where it doesn't belong. How the hell is that not unnatural to you?
A human woman wouldn't mind having a person who is not her mate stick their hand up inside her and inseminate her? Lets then take the baby away immediately after birth and then steal her milk meant for her children. Oh and once she can no longer produce enough milk or catches a disease due to her unnatural breast size, it's off to the slaughter.
It should be VERY well known at this stage that 91% of rainforest destruction is due to animal agriculture. That is, land for grazing and crops such as soybean for feed.
Please read the report below.
http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/758171468768828889/pdf/277150PAPER0wbwp0no1022.pdf
You're blowing my mind here with your stubbornness. What you are saying is hearsay and not fact at all. How can you sit there and ask me to do my research when you've clearly not done any yourself.
If almonds in California are such a big problem to you, we don't have to eat them! Just like we don't have to eat meat. Don't point at a single crop and try to discredit veganism. This is a massive logical fallacy if I've ever seen one.
I'll just repeat for you what I said before.
The report you provided states that agriculture is responsible for roughly 31% of all of Ireland's Greenhouse Gas output. We can contend how bad the figure is all day, that doesn't change the fact that any amount of pollution is a bad thing for the planet and the human race.
Please have a read of this UN report which urges a global move to a meat and dairy free diet.
http://www.resourcepanel.org/reports/assessing-environmental-impacts-consumption-and-production
First, that report sounds like it either doesn't exist, or is total bogus, much like the broccoli report earlier in this thread. I'd very much like to read it if you can find me a link.
Second, I cannot believe you are now telling me that you don't think an animal would value its freedom more than being given a death sentence from the moment its born. The buffalo numbered almost 30 million before European settlers brought their numbers down to about 1000 in the early 20th century. It was the odd animal that became some other animals dinner. Humans are the ones that bring genocide to these creatures. Hypothetically, I don't think you'd appreciate it very much if an alien race enslaved all humans and ensured none lived past childhood. But that would be a nice way to go, sure, you could have been in a car accident or caught in a building fire or any other number of horrible scenarios that are far less likely to occur!
I do actually do plenty of research on Irish farming and you would find that if you were looking at my previous posts on that other thread
If the world had an unlimited supply of water, nothing changes regarding the unethical treatment of animals, the unhealthy nature of the consumption of animal products and the damage done to the environment in the air, in the oceans and on land. This again, is just another logical fallacy, trying to justify something which is morally unjustifiable by picking and choosing. I do not pick and choose. I am looking at the broader picture both in Ireland and on the planet as a whole.
I've probably done far far far more research on this area than you would ever care to. The truth really hurts sometimes and many people would rather ignore it and try to attack character than face any facts. I have not lied once to you and where I provided a figure I've prefaced it by saying that reliable figures are often difficult to get right, however the figures never changed the spirit of the argument one bit.
Does being vegan mean one's arguments and research are invalid. What about Women's rights activists and African American civil rights activists of the 20th century, were their arguments invalid because of the group they belonged to?
In this case being vegan invalidates the argument as what they are saying doesn't have any scientific research other than vegan propaganda scare tatics. If you google that article you'll see that it has already been torn to shreds.0 -
You gotta laugh at this. It's from the website of Eden Farm Animal Santuary. They want donations to keep the place going. Basically you sponsor a resident. €30 a pop. Mind you Marjorie the turkey is only €10. Is her life worth less, or something.
Anyway have a look at what this money will be used for;
maintain the fencing in the sanctuary that keeps him or her safe from predators
http://edenfarmedanimalsanctuary.com/sponsor-a-resident/'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'
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patsy_mccabe wrote: »You gotta laugh at this. It's from the website of Eden Farm Animal Santuary. They want donations to keep the place going. Basically you sponsor a resident. €30 a pop. Mind you Marjorie the turkey is only €10. Is her life worth less, or something.
Anyway have a look at what this money will be used for;
maintain the fencing in the sanctuary that keeps him or her safe from predators
http://edenfarmedanimalsanctuary.com/sponsor-a-resident/
What a shower of cowboys.0 -
patsy_mccabe wrote: »You gotta laugh at this. It's from the website of Eden Farm Animal Santuary. They want donations to keep the place going. Basically you sponsor a resident. €30 a pop. Mind you Marjorie the turkey is only €10. Is her life worth less, or something.
Anyway have a look at what this money will be used for;
maintain the fencing in the sanctuary that keeps him or her safe from predators
http://edenfarmedanimalsanctuary.com/sponsor-a-resident/
Caring for a "non human being"
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patsy_mccabe wrote: »You gotta laugh at this. It's from the website of Eden Farm Animal Santuary. They want donations to keep the place going. Basically you sponsor a resident. €30 a pop. Mind you Marjorie the turkey is only €10. Is her life worth less, or something.
Anyway have a look at what this money will be used for;
maintain the fencing in the sanctuary that keeps him or her safe from predators
http://edenfarmedanimalsanctuary.com/sponsor-a-resident/
The scary thing about that site is the amount of animals they sau that have snuffed it. I have have had a lot more animals than that place over the years and the natural attrition rate doesn't compare imo ....
Couldn't be a money making racket could it? ie get in old dodery animals - they live a couple of months and then new ones brought in perhaps?
I do hate when animal charities advertise that unless you give then large amounts of money the puppy (or whatever) will not make it ... :rolleyes:0 -
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Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »Shots fired this morning.
In the same week where raw sewage was flowing over into portmarnick strand beach from a burst pipe line that looked like it was going into the sea as raw sewage, but hadn't reached its proper destination it was amazing how she glossed over this as a contributing factor but only a small part of poisoning of our waterways and coastlines, if that pipeline had contained cattle slurry, you can be full sure the offending farmer would of had a council/epa inspection and facing a court date,massive fines and possibly right to farm took away along with the threat of jail time , Dublin city council does it and its acceptable as the norm0 -
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