The Premier League...as decided by you...

...so they decide to forget about promotion, relegation, merit etc. and reorganise the Premier League and ask you who should be in the top tier. What teams would you put in and what teams would you take out?

It should be different for many, for example someone of my era might say Villa on the basis that we remember when they were European Champions, a younger person might go for Blackburn on the basis that their memories were formed when Jack Walker made them champions.

For starters I'd get rid of Swansea, Hull and Bournemouth. I just always regard them as lower division clubs, no matter how high they rise. I'd replace them with Leeds - the biggest city without a top flight side and a one club city - Villa, for reasons set out above, and probably Forest, on the basis that they were just a club I regarded as a top team in the 80s when I was collecting Panini stickers...

mewe

Hah?

Harry Palmr

Liverpool
Man Utd
Everton
Arsenal
Newcastle
Wolves
West Ham
Leeds
Nottingham Forest
Portsmouth
Bolton Wanderers
Aston Villa
Derby County
Manchester City
Huddersfield Town
Sheffield Wednesday
Spurs
Chelsea
Sunderland
Blackburn Rovers

Bridge93

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Liverpool
Man Utd
Everton
Arsenal
Newcastle
Wolves
West Ham
Leeds
Nottingham Forest
Portsmouth
Bolton Wanderers
Aston Villa
Derby County
Manchester City
Huddersfield Town
Sheffield Wednesday
Spurs
Chelsea
Sunderland
Blackburn Rovers

I think this would be mine but swap Wednesday and Huddersfield for Fulham and Middlesbrough. Might put charlton ahead of Nottingham forest simply because I never really saw forest in the Prem

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Liverpool
Man Utd
Everton
Arsenal
Newcastle
Wolves
West Ham
Leeds
Nottingham Forest
Portsmouth
Bolton Wanderers
Aston Villa
Derby County
Manchester City
Huddersfield Town
Sheffield Wednesday
Spurs
Chelsea
Sunderland
Blackburn Rovers

No Leicester? I'd have them in even ahead of Chelsea.

The Backwards Man

I love the way St Ives Town or Morpeth AFC can make their way to the premier league if they get enough good results.

Fcuk off with your American franchise shíte

Skylinehead

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

No Leicester? I'd have them in even ahead of Chelsea.

On what basis? Can't think of one really, although I'd have both in mine.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Man Utd
Man City
Leeds United
Sheffield Wednesday
Newcastle United
Sunderland
Liverpool
Everton
Aston Villa
Birmingham
Nottingham Forest
Leicester City
Arsenal
Spurs
Chelsea
West Ham
Southampton
Ipswich/Norwich
Blackburn
Wolves/West Brom

Dirty Dingus McGee

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I love the way St Ives Town or Morpeth AFC can make their way to the premier league if they get enough good results.

Fcuk off with your American franchise shíte

American sports are way better organised than sports in Europe.

K-9

I think it's great Bournemouth are in it.

But I'd class Middlesboro as a PL so:

The 4 big London clubs counting WH.
The 2 Manchester and Liverpool clubs.
Newcastle and Boro for the N.E.
Villa and Wolves for the Midlands.
Forest and Leeds have to be in it, I'd add Sheffield Wednesday as well.

So that's 15.

Derby, Luton, Southampton, Burnley and Ipswich for sentimental reasons.

K-9

Fulham is a great shout, I'd throw Leeds out myself.

jester77

Arsenal
Spurs
Chelsea
West Ham
Man Utd
Man City
Liverpool
Everton
Leeds United
Newcastle United
Middelsborough
Aston Villa
Birmingham
Nottingham Forest
Derby
Sheffield Wednesday
Leicester City
Southampton
Coventry
Wimbeldon

kfallon

No QPR for anybody? Bring back them, Luton and their plastic pitches :pac:

Dirty Dingus McGee

K-9 wrote: »

Fulham is a great shout, I'd throw Leeds out myself.

Leeds is the biggest city in England with only one club they'd have to be included in any such system.

tayto lover

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Liverpool
Man Utd
Everton
Arsenal
Newcastle
Wolves
West Ham
Leeds
Nottingham Forest
Portsmouth
Bolton Wanderers
Aston Villa
Derby County
Manchester City
Huddersfield Town
Sheffield Wednesday
Spurs
Chelsea
Sunderland
Blackburn Rovers

No Southampton ???

Harry Palmr

tayto lover wrote: »

No Southampton ???

What have they won? An FA Cup, I've picked the only south coast side that one can reasonably pick - Pompey may be a joke now but they have 'istory!

jester77

jester77 wrote: »

Arsenal
Spurs
Chelsea
West Ham
Man Utd
Man City
Liverpool
Everton
Leeds United
Newcastle United
Middelsborough
Aston Villa
Birmingham
Nottingham Forest
Derby
Sheffield Wednesday
Leicester City
Southampton
Coventry
Wimbeldon

I think I like this effort, puts in Wimbledon and Coventry. Think it's pretty close to what I'd have, maybe I'd drop Wimbledon for one East Anglia club, possibly Ipswich on the strength of that League win under Ramsey and their UEFA Cup win in the early 80s when they finished second a couple of times.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What have they won? An FA Cup, I've picked the only south coast side that one can reasonably pick - Pompey may be a joke now but they have 'istory!

Matt Le Tissier played for them.

For that reason alone they should be in.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Skylinehead wrote: »

On what basis? Can't think of one really, although I'd have both in mine.

Not a traditional team. Basically nobody's before Russian money.

enzo roco

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

American sports are way better organised than sports in Europe.

Says who???
What are you on about?

Paully D

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Chelsea
Derby County
Everton
Leeds United
Leicester City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Preston North End
QPR
Sheffield Wednesday
Sunderland
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham

K-9

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Matt Le Tissier played for them.

For that reason alone they should be in.

Get out of my head.

As for Leeds, they were out of the PL and Division for long periods after the 70's. I've no emotional attachment whatsoever to them.

If it was based on size might as well list the 20 biggest and lock the thread up!

tayto lover

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What have they won? An FA Cup, I've picked the only south coast side that one can reasonably pick - Pompey may be a joke now but they have 'istory!

So you're only going on history then and some of it ancient.

Bridge93

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

Not a traditional team. Basically nobody's before Russian money.

What? Nobody's to the point there are 20 teams bigger than them? They won 2 FA Cups a league cup and a European Cup Winners Cup in the 90's. Regularly in the top 6. Whereas a Leicester...

enzo roco

Bridge93 wrote: »

Whereas a Leicester...

Are premier league champions.

What an awful thread!

Bridge93

enzo roco wrote: »

Are premier league champions.

What an awful thread!

Take it out of context if you wish. If you don't like the thread don't post in it. It really is as simple as that.

mikeym

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Celtic
Chelsea
Derby County
Everton
Leeds United
Leicester City
Liverpool
Manchester United
Newcastle
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
QPR
Rangers
Sheffield Wednesday
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham

Dirty Dingus McGee

enzo roco wrote: »

Says who???
What are you on about?

Well me obviously as I was the one who made the comment.

Everyone has a fair chance at winning, teams with money have no extra advantage (The Toronto Maples Leafs are by far the richest NHL team and they have been rubbish for a long while) because they have to comply with a salary cap.All teams have a chance of contending and aren't doomed to perpetual mediocrity.Playoffs are a better way of deciding a champion as it relies on consistency and the ability to raise your game for the big day.

Dirty Dingus McGee

K-9 wrote: »

Get out of my head.

As for Leeds, they were out of the PL and Division for long periods after the 70's. I've no emotional attachment whatsoever to them.

If it was based on size might as well list the 20 biggest and lock the thread up!

Leeds are very much a hated team for that reason they should be in as well.

ArmaniJeanss

Would probably put a Bristol team/franchise in there as most suggestions are missing out that affluent corner of England. Would encourage them to try to win over the south wales market also.

tayto lover

Preston North End won the league and cups. Rubbish now though.

mewe

enzo roco wrote:

What an awful thread!

I concur, but some people seem to be knocking a bit of craic out of it. Each to their own.

K-9

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Leeds are very much a hated team for that reason they should be in as well.

Yet nobody has mentioned Millwall!

weldoninhio

Manchester United
Manchester City
Liverpool
Everton
Newcastle
Chelsea
Arsenal
West Ham
Tottenham
Wimbledon
Leeds
Nottingham Forest
Coventry
Southampton
Aston Villa
Sheffield Wednesday
Blackburn
Ipswich
QPR
Derby

Dirty Dingus McGee

K-9 wrote: »

Yet nobody has mentioned Millwall!

Millwall aren't a big club though.

Ulysses Gaze

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Liverpool
Man Utd
Everton
Arsenal
Newcastle
Wolves
West Ham
Leeds
Nottingham Forest
Portsmouth
Bolton Wanderers
Aston Villa
Derby County
Manchester City
Huddersfield Town
Sheffield Wednesday
Spurs
Chelsea
Sunderland
Blackburn Rovers

Only one I'd take out of that list is Bolton. I'd put Preston North End in there instead as they have won a couple of titles. Aeons ago but still.

Harry Palmr

K-9 wrote: »

Yet nobody has mentioned Millwall!

Millwall aspired to be Wimbledon!

Skylinehead

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

Not a traditional team. Basically nobody's before Russian money.

You could say that about many teams through history. Hell, we both support Arsenal and there was some dodginess in how we got into the league in the first place.

Even without the Abramovic money they have as many top division titles as Leicester, a few FA cups and were about the same standing as Spurs now before that. Chelsea have to be in any list, as much as you or I hate them.

OwaynOTT

I'd definitely have swindon, Oldham, Sheffield Wednesday, Coventry and derby county. And I'd find space for Barnesly as well.

dfx-

I'll leave out Sunderland, very close leaving Man City out too...

Arsenal
Manchester United
Newcastle United
West Ham
Liverpool
Tottenham Hotspur
Chelsea
Everton
Aston Villa
Southampton
Leeds United
Sheffield Wednesday
Manchester City
Nottingham Forest
Coventry City
Derby County
Birmingham City
Wimbledon
Crystal Palace
Norwich City

I'd like Fulham to be in there, probably in for Birmingham City

D0NNELLY

Paully D wrote: »

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn Rovers
Chelsea
Derby County
Everton
Leeds United
Leicester City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Preston North End
QPR
Sheffield Wednesday
Sunderland
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham

Good shout on PNE. Quality side before Charlton took over, brought his utd chums in, and destroyed the club.

Omackeral

A Dublin team and Celtic and Rangers.

weldoninhio

Omackeral wrote: »

A Dublin team and Celtic and Rangers.

There's no Dublin team anywhere near the standard required.

And Rangers died in 2012. Sevco, who replaced them, are a financial basket case and will be lucky to see 2017 through.

Omackeral

weldoninhio wrote: »

There's no Dublin team anywhere near the standard required.

And Rangers died in 2012. Sevco, who replaced them, are a financial basket case and will be lucky to see 2017 through.

Oh make no mistake about it, that was all said with tongue firmly placed in cheek.

Flint Fredstone

Omackeral wrote: »

Oh make no mistake about it, that was all said with tongue firmly placed in cheek.

It's getting old and boring from you at this stage. You hate that Irish fans like the PL... we get it.

Omackeral

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

It's getting old and boring from you at this stage. You hate that Irish fans like the PL... we get it.

Wrong. I watch it and like it myself. I'll be watching Man City tonight too.

Flint Fredstone

Omackeral wrote: »

Wrong. I watch it and like it myself. I'll be watching Man City tonight too.

Ok, I'll rephrase.
You hate that Irish fans like the PL to the detriment of our national league... we get it.

HalloweenJack

How about the twenty teams with most top-level seasons since the league began? The likes of Stoke, Boro, Derby and League One Bolton would get in while Leeds, Leicester and Forest wouldn't.

Or the twenty teams with most league titles since the league began? A quick glance would suggest only one of Ipswich, Forest, Sheffield United, WBA and Leicester would make the cut off and teams like Sheffield Wednesday, PNE, Blackburn Rovers, Huddersfield Town and Burnley would all get in.

You can bang on and on about big clubs with history and one-club cities but at the end of the day the clubs that are currently there are there on merit. Any other way of deciding is merely a willy-measuring exercise with arbitrary logic.

Omackeral

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Ok, I'll rephrase.
You hate that Irish fans like the PL to the detriment of our national league... we get it.

Seems a fair viewpoint I'd say and not at all in line with what you originally said. So you didn't "get it" at all really, you just sniped in the wrong.

GavRedKing

Simple one if it was an alternative league, the 20 most succesful clubs go in (League, Domestic cups, European and International cups)

1. Manchester United
2. Liverpool
3. Arsenal
4. Chelsea
5. Tottenham Hotspur
6. Everton
7. Aston Villa
8. Manchester City
9. Newcastle United
10. Nottingham Forest
11. Wolverhampton Wanderers
12. Blackburn Rovers
13. Leeds United
14. Sheffield Wednesday
15. Sunderland
16. West Bromwich Albion
17. West Ham United
18. Leicester City
19. Portsmouth
20. Huddersfield Town

There was a few teams on 5 titles, tied for 19th so I went with league and FA cup success as tie breakers, with the emphasis on the league.


Portsmouth (2 leagues and 2 fa cups) and
Huddersfield (3 leagues and 1 fa cup) over
Burnely (2 leagues and 1 fa cups) and
Bolton (0 leagues and 4 fa cups) and
Sheff Utd (1 league and 4 fa cups).

Flint Fredstone

Omackeral wrote: »

Seems a fair viewpoint I'd say and not at all in line with what you originally said. So you didn't "get it" at all really, you just sniped in the wrong.

Point still stands. You're banging that drum to death.