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Tiles have fallen off Bathroom wall of rented property. Who's job is it to fix it?

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    #32
    Graham
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    pilly wrote: »
    OP stated that the guest admitted he was at fault

    No he didn't.


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    #33
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Chef Tony wrote: »
    I'm a student living with 4 others. A few days ago a friend was over in the house and leaned on the bathroom sink causing it to lean forward and 2 of the tiles above it fall off. He called us in and as we attempted to put them back on, more and more fell off until a total of about 20 or so fell, some of them breaking. He apoligised and bought new tiles and adhesive to fix them. We were originally going to fix the job ourselves but we are now concerned that once we start touching it, it will just get more damaged, and more tiles will fall off.

    Will we have to pay for all repairs as it was caused by carelessness, despite is being a very poorly done job to begin with? Is it our responsibility to call a tiler to repair it or should we just contact the landlord?

    Sorry if these are stupid questions, but it is our first time being tenants.

    See above Graham.


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    #34
    Graham
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    pilly wrote: »
    See above Graham.

    I've read the posts and they suggest the guest was apologetic and felt guilty about the damage. The OP feels it was carelessness combined with the originally poor state of the tiling.


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    #35
    pilly
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    If someone could explain to me the reasons for leaning on a sink I might understand this. :-))


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    #36
    Graham
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    pilly wrote: »
    If someone could explain to me the reasons for leaning on a sink I might understand this. :-))

    Does it really make a difference?

    Assuming we take 'leaning' at face value and not interpret it to mean sitting/riding/sleeping on it, it shouldn't come away from the wall if it is properly secured.


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    Ms Doubtfire1
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    TheDoc wrote: »
    If OP is being genuine with the story, and the guest wasn't lamping some girl on the sink, .

    oh i spat my tea out at that lol.Thanks for the laugh. sorry for off topic :D:D:D


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    #38
    pilly
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    Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »
    oh i spat my tea out at that lol.Thanks for the laugh. sorry for off topic :D:D:D

    It was exactly what I was thinking and didn't want to say. :D:D


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    #39
    endacl
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    Blu Tac. Be grand.


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    #40
    Michael D Not Higgins
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    endacl wrote: »
    Blu Tac. Be grand.

    Mod: helpful posts please. This isn't After Hours.


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    #41
    GreenFolder2
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    Did the OP say it was losely mounted ?

    Is this some kind of grilling interview?
    :eek:


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    #42
    TheDoc
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    pilly wrote: »
    If someone could explain to me the reasons for leaning on a sink I might understand this. :-))

    I put one hand on my sink and lean while I brush my teeth. That would be the most common one I'd do and I do it every day. Not a bother.

    There would also be periods where I'd have both hands on the sink, leaning forward looking in the mirror, questioning what I'm doing with my life.

    That is some pretty heavy **** and the bathroom doesn't collapse around me


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    #43
    handlemaster
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    TheDoc wrote: »
    Where are you getting this "guest pulled it of the wall".

    OP said he leaned on it, like so many people do on sinks, and started leaning off the wall.

    If the OP filled up the sink with water, and it happened, is the tenant "gas" for having the audacity to use a sink as intended?

    they pulled it off the wall by leaning on it. tenants pay end of story


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    #44
    runawaybishop
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    they pulled it off the wall by leaning on it. tenants pay end of story

    Not end of story in the slightest. Tiles should not fall off the wall, nor should sinks. I would check that the wall isn't ruined with rot causing the tiles and sink to become loose.


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    #45
    handlemaster
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    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Not end of story in the slightest. Tiles should not fall off the wall, nor should sinks. I would check that the wall isn't ruined with rot causing the tiles and sink to become loose.
    OP doesnt mention an issue with said sink or tiling before the guest moved it off the wall. Any sink will come off if you put to much weight on it. Tenants will pay for the damage theres reason to pretend other wise


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    #46
    runawaybishop
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    OP doesnt mention an issue with said sink or tiling before the guest moved it off the wall. Any sink will come off if you put to much weight on it. Tenants will pay for the damage theres reason to pretend other wise

    The op also didn't mention the guest leaping on the sink, merely leaning on it. Given that tiles also fell off the wall, which they shouldn't, it is possible there is an issue with the wall.


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    #47
    handlemaster
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    runawaybishop wrote: »
    The op also didn't mention the guest leaping on the sink, merely leaning on it. Given that tiles also fell off the wall, which they shouldn't, it is possible there is an issue with the wall.

    In fairness a guest just wouldnt say that. .. I would assume the property is not a new build and that the sink has had thousands of visits without incident before... why ? The landlord will not pay for this


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    #48
    runawaybishop
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    In fairness a guest just wouldnt say that. .. I would assume the property is not a new build and that the sink has had thousands of visits without incident before... why ? The landlord will not pay for this

    The guest wrecking the sink doesn't explain the tiles falling off. Tiles won't just fall off unless there is an underlying issue.


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    #49
    greendom
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    In fairness a guest just wouldnt say that. .. I would assume the property is not a new build and that the sink has had thousands of visits without incident before... why ? The landlord will not pay for this

    We all know what assuming does. Without the full facts from the OP we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions.


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    #50
    JustAThought
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    This is why you have parties in other peoples houses.!! Tbh they sound like they trying to do the right thing & are good honest people & a decent landlord will appreciate that. I'd call him & let hime know because there is nothing as bad as a bad tiling job and if s/he will notice random new and off-matching tiles when it comes to the deposit check/house review.

    Tbh if the sink rocks when you touch it & was like that pre-lean than this is a landlord issue thT should have alteady been addressed - if the tiles were so loosely stuck on with so little paste that they all cascaded off and smashed this might be of interest to the landlord who probably didn't know how slipshod a job his previous tiler (or students!) did!

    My first thought was party gone pearshaped and my next one was loose sink and damp wall. If it was me I wouldn't go al legalistic on the landlord but would give him/her a call and explain & say you'd bought adhesive but some tiles were broken & could s/he come round & have a look & see what sution you can agree. S/he can't agree anything without seeing and a rocking sink would be the greater concern - sinks if they fall and smash - now they ARE expensive to fix. If I was talking to the LL the only part of the story I might edit is the friend and why he was leaning on the sink. Please din't tell me he was using it as a seat/toilet :0


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    #51
    handlemaster
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    greendom wrote: »
    handlemaster wrote: »
    In fairness a guest just wouldnt say that. .. I would assume the property is not a new build and that the sink has had thousands of visits without incident before... why ? The landlord will not pay for this

    We all know what assuming does. Without the full facts from the OP we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions.


    Going on what the OP has said the tenants will be paying


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    #52
    Graham
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    Going on what the OP has said the tenants will be paying

    Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure you meant it the first 27 times. :rolleyes:


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    #53
    Chef Tony
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    Just a late update to let you lot know what happened. I appreciate all the comments, really didn't think it would cause such a discussion but was interesting to see just how much peoples opinions differed on the matter.

    We ended up calling over a tiler to take a look at the wall, straight away he said that it wasn't our friends fault. The wall is water damaged causing all the tiles to be loose and pretty much ready to drop, he tapped a few of the tiles to highlight the hollow sound it produced, meaning they are water damaged and have to go. To make matters worse, the sink that my friend leaned on, was simply plastered onto the wall, no screws or hangs to keep it in place which the tiler stated are necessary. So not only was the sink simply plastered onto the wall, but it was water damaged, weak plaster.

    We contacted the landlord and he has admitted full responsibility after hearing what the tiler had said about the bathroom, with no money taken from our deposits or anything like that. So thats pretty much it, thanks again for all the advice.


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    #54
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Chef Tony wrote: »
    We contacted the landlord and he has admitted full responsibility after hearing what the tiler had said about the bathroom, with no money taken from our deposits or anything like that. So thats pretty much it, thanks again for all the advice.

    Excellent news, good to hear it all worked out for you especially when you were trying to do the right thing from the start.

    Sounds like you've got yourself a decent landlord too.


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