Driving under the speed limit

Ferrari3600

dfeo wrote: »

Train would be more expensive than driving and would take much longer.

I shouldn't have to avoid roads because of "people" who drive too slowly. The "people" who drive too slowly should be taken off the road.

Bloomin' heck. Take a chill-pill, pal.

Ginger83

dfeo wrote: »

But if they're driving 40 or 50 and not facilitating other people to overtake they're NOT grand.

You are allowed to briefly enter a hard shoulder whilst driving to let another vehicle by on N Roads.

Yes 40-50 would hold up traffic but nothing wrong with say 80km/hr.

Yes that seems to be the case where a hard shoulder has a broken line although I wouldn't drive in 1. Just like you see that you shouldn't have to avoid roads due to 'slow drivers' I don't see why I should be bullied into being forced to drive in a hard shoulder or at a faster speed than I wish to drive at.

ThisRegard

I didn't know you could get road rage days away before you actually get on the road.

Ginger83

dfeo wrote: »

Train would be more expensive than driving and would take much longer.

I shouldn't have to avoid roads because of "people" who drive too slowly. The "people" who drive too slowly should be taken off the road.

You dont have to avoid roads but you do have to share them.

Give yourself plenty of time to get there or tell Mr Higgins you're important and need to borrow his police escort.

JamboMac

So many times i drive at the speed limit and still get asshats driving up my ass and overtaking on a roundabout, now that's dangerous the people who lack patience.

Commotion Ocean

JamboMac wrote: »

So many times i drive at the speed limit and still get asshats driving up my ass and overtaking on a roundabout, now that's dangerous the people who lack patience.

I understand that, but you can't blame people losing their tempers when there's fools driving at 80 when there's no reason not to drive 100, unless you're too chicken.

JamboMac

dfeo wrote: »

I understand that, but you can't blame people losing their tempers when there's fools driving at 80 when there's no reason not to drive 100, unless you're too chicken.

Their is many variables that make this happen an older driver, maybe somebody who has been in an accident and not confident, but n2 and the likes tend to have lanes when you can overtake. Some cars are also very unstable at higher speeds especially with strong winds. I'm capable of driving at faster speeds than others and speeds higher than the roads limit but doesn't mean others should make way for me because i'm clearly more important

Ginger83

Anybody who can't keep a cool head on the road shouldn't really be driving. I've a 2L car and nothing to do with being afraid to do the speed limit, I'm a disabled driver and drive at a speed thats comfortable to me.

gitzy16v

driving 80 in a 100 is fine,driving 100 in a 120 is fine.
Its the people who are painfully slow that are the problem.
Worse still are the one who sit at 60/70 in a 100 come to a 60 zone stay at 60/70 and into the 50 zone still at 60/70 they are the dangerous ones

Carawaystick

dfeo wrote: »

On Saturday, my OH and I are treating ourselves to a night in Ballina in a nice hotel. We are driving from Dublin to Ballina. (Leaving early Saturday morning and leaving on Sunday afternoon).

There is a good stretch of 100 km/h N-Road (SINGLE-LANED) which I am fukcing dreading it lasts a good chunk of the journey I just know I'll be stuck behind some arsehole who thinks it's their God-given right to drive at 50 and hug the middle line.

I'd go to Ballina in Tipp, it's only 7 km of single lane road. Save your blood pressure

Isambard

gitzy16v wrote: »

driving 80 in a 100 is fine,driving 100 in a 120 is fine.
Its the people who are painfully slow that are the problem.
Worse still are the one who sit at 60/70 in a 100 come to a 60 zone stay at 60/70 and into the 50 zone still at 60/70 they are the dangerous ones

it's not really fine. The nearer to the speed limit people drive, the harder it is to pass them. It only takes a couple of seconds to pass a real slowcoach. Many people who think they are being good by sticking to the limit are actually a good bit under the limit due to inaccurate speedos.

In an ideal world we would all stick to the same speed not needed to pass anyone and no one passing us. I suspect this "balancing speed" would be around 80 on an N road.

dennyk

gitzy16v wrote: »

Definitely should be minimum speed limits on motorways....too many clowns doing 80 in a 120,ive seen it all too often:mad: im a hgv driver that sits flat out at 85kph...try overtake boom they wake up and away up the road with them only to be seen 10 mins later back at 80kph

At least if they drive away you're able to clear the right lane quickly. The bad ones are the pacers who idle along at 40-50 under the limit, but as soon as an HGV or another slowbie tries to overtake, they speed up to match and cruise right alongside, making a lovely rolling roadblock that creates a dangerous mess behind them.

Still better than the ones who putter along at <60km/h on the motorway with just one feeble flickering taillight bulb on their beater, though.

Terrontress

dennyk wrote: »

gitzy16v wrote: »

Definitely should be minimum speed limits on motorways....too many clowns doing 80 in a 120,ive seen it all too often:mad: im a hgv driver that sits flat out at 85kph...try overtake boom they wake up and away up the road with them only to be seen 10 mins later back at 80kph

At least if they drive away you're able to clear the right lane quickly. The bad ones are the pacers who idle along at 40-50 under the limit, but as soon as an HGV or another slowbie tries to overtake, they speed up to match and cruise right alongside, making a lovely rolling roadblock that creates a dangerous mess behind them.

Still better than the ones who putter along at <60km/h on the motorway with just one feeble flickering taillight bulb on their beater, though.

I've seen it so often! Try to overtake them and they get competitive. They'll drive at 75 in a 100 limited road, maybe throwing on their brakes when they see a car coming in the other direction. You get to a safe passing point, they see you going to overtake, they speed up. You come to a dualled section, you try to overtake, they go up to 140. You pull back into the driving Lane and once the dualling ends they're back to 75. And when you come to a town with a 50 limit, you slow down and they plough through at the same 75 km/hotel. Oh, I hate them.

galah

Seems the darker mornings and downturn in weather brings out even more fckwit drivers than usual - three times this week some dumbass (different one each time) decided to overtake me in a built up 50 zone in pre rush hour traffic (getting heavy but still flowing, and where i am doing 50), with really risky manoeuvres (built up in my case means school, creche, shops, busy roas with lots of side entrances and nowhere to pull in should something unforeseen get into the road) - but then just to be stuck behind the next car moving also at the limit - to then be stuck right in front of you at the next set of lights.

What goes on in these people's heads, to literally risk their and others lives to be two seconds faster at the next set of lights? Are they just so dumb or inexperienced or ignorant to think nothing will ever get into their way when they're attempting their daft manoeuvres?

Now dont get me wrong, i also dont suffee slow coaches easily, but risky overtaking in poor conditions at the (in my cases justified) speed limit is just screaming stupid...:mad:

Jakey Rolling

FortySeven wrote:

The same drivers also stick to 70 when passing through 50 zones.

+1 on this. Makes my blood boil when you are stuck behind somebody doing 70 on a 100 stretch of road, then when you pass through a village they carry on at the same speed. These drivers are a danger to themselves and others, clearly they are oblivious to signage and other road traffic.

dev100

Your making me angry thinking about it .....

What's sickens me is when you overtake a car that's going slower than you and pull back in and drive her on at the same pace and a mile down the road the car you passed comes flying past in overtaking lane like there's no tomorrow and then pulls back in front of you and starts to slow down and eventually goes slower than you, then back out and starts the process again and again.

I'll never understand it

dev100

Jakey Rolling wrote:

+1 on this. Makes my blood boil when you are stuck behind somebody doing 70 on a 100 stretch of road, then when you pass through a village they carry on at the same speed. These drivers are a danger to themselves and others, clearly they are oblivious to signage and other road traffic.

My mate drives faster on a back road than on motor way dual carriage way , he drive at 80/90 on back roads and then on motorway he plods along at 75/90, I've never understood that !!!! often artics try pass us and they on the limit can't go any faster . I have to tell him to slow down and let the lorry pull in.

I feel sorry for lorry drivers but I've seen cars doing 60 ish on dual carrig way and a lorry sitting on bumper so much so there's no way the driver could the rear lights of car ..... I don't know who is the worst in that situation !!!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

M94 wrote: »

In my opinion driving under the speed limit creates dangerous situations and almost always results in tailgating or other types of aggressive driving. You can see it every day, people overtaking dangerously on 1 lane roads because for some reason some people drive under the speed limit. Now I am not sure about this rule in Ireland during the driving test but I know that driving slower than 10 km/h of the posted limit results in a driving test failure reason being disrupting the flow of traffic in many other European Union countries. What is your opinion on this?

Highlighted in bold, ásshole driving. We all encounter people who drive unlike ourselves. It can be a bit annoying encountering people who drive slower than the limit, but that's not an excuse to drive like an ásshole. Overtake when it's save, don't tail gate and there's no need to be aggressive. It compounds the problem. This reactionary style of driving doesn't somehow make our roads safer or teach the other driver a lesson. It's just another bollocks on the road to deal with.

Doing 90 in a 100 zone isn't the end of the world, calm your títs and take it easy.

FortySeven wrote: »

Drives me insane. Constantly stuck behind people doing 70 in 100 areas.

I view it as a selfish driver robbing me of 30% of my time.

It's infuriating and forces manouvers like overtaking which I would rather not have to make. I'm not alone in this. On my commute there will be a queue of cars waiting to go head on into traffic to pass these time wasters.

It can be a pain in the ass, but overtake carefully and don't become another selfish (more dangerous IMO) driver...

Leave 10 minutes earlier in the morning if it's such an issue.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

dev100 wrote: »

I feel sorry for lorry drivers but I've seen cars doing 60 ish on dual carrig way and a lorry sitting on bumper so much so there's no way the driver could the rear lights of car ..... I don't know who is the worst in that situation !!!

The lorry driver, without a doubt.

I take it you are talking in Kmph, regardless, no HGV should be tailgating, they know their stopping distance and they have extra training in order to drive such a vehicle. Slo mo, shouldn't be on the road either at 60 in a 100 zone as it's quite dangerous.

FortySeven

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

It can be a pain in the ass, but overtake carefully and don't become another selfish (more dangerous IMO) driver...

Leave 10 minutes earlier in the morning if it's such an issue.

Overtaking safely? On an Irish road? Like I said in my original post, forced to make a dangerous maneuver. I would rather not have to. I make that dangerous maneuver right after I have assessed all the risks. Twice. It is not me causing the problem.

Leaving early is not an option.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

FortySeven wrote: »

Overtaking safely? On an Irish road? Like I said in my original post, forced to make a dangerous maneuver. I would rather not have to. I make that dangerous maneuver right after I have assessed all the risks. Twice. It is not me causing the problem.

Leaving early is not an option.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything, you are making that choice by yourself. I don't understand why you believe all Irish roads are laneways or something there's plenty of stretches which have the potential for safe overtaking. You admit to making a dangerous maneuver yet you deny causing any problems?

Why is leaving 10 minutes earlier not an option?

Dravokivich

FortySeven wrote: »

Overtaking safely? On an Irish road? Like I said in my original post, forced to make a dangerous maneuver. I would rather not have to. I make that dangerous maneuver right after I have assessed all the risks. Twice. It is not me causing the problem.

Leaving early is not an option.

I'm only a learner but the stuff I've seen by others are unreal.

Last week I was held up at a junction by 2 large vehicles that were intending to turn right. I intended to wait until it was safe to proceed, thus resulting in me get caught by a red light. The guy behind me was quite noticably infuriated by this as he was gesturing I should turn around the insde of the 2 large vehicles in front of me. A clear obstruction, which I could not see in front of.

After I was able to proceed upon getting a green light, this person then attempted to over take me leading up to a blind corner, as he was beside me there was a car approaching him, he pulled in in front of me with barely 2 metres to spare before a collision with the approaching vehicle.

He wasn't forced to do that, but his actions were so close to having a dangerous consequence. And it was because he was annoyed by me not driving into something I couldn't see.

No body forces you to do anything and if you aren't confident in the driver in front of you, I feel you're better off keeping them in front of you.

beauf

Dravokivich wrote: »

...I feel you're better off keeping them in front of you.

If someone is chronically impatient, they will never want anyone in front of them. Regardless of the situation.

You can feel the rage from many posts over tiny delays vs their journey time. Not a good sign.

Sam Kade

galah wrote: »

Seems the darker mornings and downturn in weather brings out even more fckwit drivers than usual - three times this week some dumbass (different one each time) decided to overtake me in a built up 50 zone in pre rush hour traffic (getting heavy but still flowing, and where i am doing 50), with really risky manoeuvres (built up in my case means school, creche, shops, busy roas with lots of side entrances and nowhere to pull in should something unforeseen get into the road) - but then just to be stuck behind the next car moving also at the limit - to then be stuck right in front of you at the next set of lights.

What goes on in these people's heads, to literally risk their and others lives to be two seconds faster at the next set of lights? Are they just so dumb or inexperienced or ignorant to think nothing will ever get into their way when they're attempting their daft manoeuvres?

Now dont get me wrong, i also dont suffee slow coaches easily, but risky overtaking in poor conditions at the (in my cases justified) speed limit is just screaming stupid...:mad:

Go home Yank.

Dravokivich

beauf wrote: »

If someone is chronically impatient, they will never want anyone in front of them. Regardless of the situation.

You can feel the rage from many posts over tiny delays vs their journey time. Not a good sign.

I thought that sometimes myself, but even with relatively short experience I've learned all one'll do is beat'em to an upcoming red light.

FortySeven

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

Nobody is forcing you to do anything, you are making that choice by yourself. I don't understand why you believe all Irish roads are laneways or something there's plenty of stretches which have the potential for safe overtaking. You admit to making a dangerous maneuver yet you deny causing any problems?

Why is leaving 10 minutes earlier not an option?

Drop kids to school at 8.30 start work at 9. No 10 spare to be had.

My commute is on a road that is single carriageway and heavy traffic in both directions. Not ideal for overtaking.

ThisRegard

If traffic is so heavy then overtaking is going to make no difference.

FortySeven

ThisRegard wrote: »

If traffic is so heavy then overtaking is going to make no difference.

Makes a massive difference if the rest of the traffic ahead is going 20-30% faster.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

FortySeven wrote: »

Makes a massive difference if the rest of the traffic ahead is going 20-30% faster.

To the road death statistics? I agree.

FortySeven

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

To the road death statistics? I agree.

Speed does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

GustavoGaviria

FortySeven wrote: »

Speed does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

Sudden impacts kill. Been outside the average speed of the traffic increases the risk. Be that faster or slower.

FortySeven wrote: »

Makes a massive difference if the rest of the traffic ahead is going 20-30% faster.

Your chasing shadows if you perceive that over a short commute your losing that much time. In a mathematical vacuum you could maybe argue 5 minutes but not in the real world. Your doing yourself and other road users no favors getting worked up.

pa990

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

To the road death statistics? I agree.

FortySeven wrote: »

Speed does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

Chinese Ditch Finders KILL

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

FortySeven wrote: »

Speed does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

Why is getting up 5 - 10 minutes earlier not an option? I think people like yourself are just impatient and need to learn to calm down and understand that the road does not belong to you.

M94

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

Why is getting up 5 - 10 minutes earlier not an option? I think people like yourself are just impatient and need to learn to calm down and understand that the road does not belong to you.

How is that an excuse for inappropriate driving? The road is for everyone so all drivers should be considerate of each other. You are saying that the road belongs to the slow drivers now instead of everyone, because if it belonged to everyone then they should move over to the hard shoulder and let the driver behind pass. This is perfectly legal but the slow drivers don't care about anyone else as they are the ones that think the road belongs to them as they cannot be bothered to move 1 metre to the left and let the cars pass. I have so much respect for drivers that drive slow but let you pass if they see you driving faster than them, but I think that's less than 1% of the drivers, so that almost never happens.

beauf

FortySeven wrote: »

Makes a massive difference if the rest of the traffic ahead is going 20-30% faster.

Its 10 mins max on your 30 min journey. I bet if someone does the maths for someone to hold you up by 10 mins they probably need to be doing 20kph or something dramatic like that.

http://lifehacker.com/does-speeding-really-get-you-there-any-faster-1556767685

conzy

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

dennyk

conzy wrote: »

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

I had to merge onto the M7 once while stuck behind a beater agricultural truck towing an open trailer full of several tons of rocks. He couldn't even get the thing up to 20km/h on flat ground, so why he was trying to get on the motorway, I have no idea. There were about a dozen cars behind me on the sliproad as well, and it was utter madness as everyone made a desperate scramble to get around the maniac rock hound and try to get up some speed before the fast-approaching 120km/h motorway traffic plowed all of us off the road. Last I saw of the truck, he'd thankfully given up trying to merge and was crawling along on the hard shoulder with his hazards on.

beauf

conzy wrote: »

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

Your point seems to be that big disparity in speed is a major cause of accidents. Yet you're ok with a big disparity in high speed in the overtaking lane.

NickNickleby

conzy wrote: »

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

Motorway driving in this country is awful. I drive out the M1 to Swords fairly often, outside rush hour. I drive at 80kph - the posted limit, and drop to 60kph at the turn off - again to match the posted speed limit. I'm often the slowest vehicle on the road. Worst offenders are the taxi drivers who tear up the outside lane past the M50 junction, then have to cross 4 lanes to get to the airport.

So , then you see all the break lights coming on as people try to slow down to match the speed of traffic using the slip roads. As we all know, sudden deceleration is going to cause those big rolling road blocks that are so common. If everyone was driving at the same speed, these blocks would be eliminated.

One reason for sudden deceleration is when one comes up behind a slow driver, with no opportunity to change lane. Once again, this deceleration is magnified as one moves back through the line of traffic.

So, I agree with the OP about slow driving, and also have my own bugbear about breaking speed limits on a motorway - this despite the great roads which could support 140kph, but traffic conditions wouldn't.

Consistency is the key.

Nick the self appointed motorway driving expert.:D

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

M94 wrote: »

How is that an excuse for inappropriate driving? The road is for everyone so all drivers should be considerate of each other. You are saying that the road belongs to the slow drivers now instead of everyone, because if it belonged to everyone then they should move over to the hard shoulder and let the driver behind pass. This is perfectly legal but the slow drivers don't care about anyone else as they are the ones that think the road belongs to them as they cannot be bothered to move 1 metre to the left and let the cars pass. I have so much respect for drivers that drive slow but let you pass if they see you driving faster than them, but I think that's less than 1% of the drivers, so that almost never happens.

Holy shítballs batman... driving in the hard shoulder is stupid and dangerous. I don't think it's "perfectly legal" either. I you want to over take, wait for a suitable time and place where it's safe to do so. If you are looking for all drivers to be within the same 10kmph bracket, that's never going to happen.

Nowhere did I say that the road belongs to any type or group of drivers.

M94

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

Holy shítballs batman... driving in the hard shoulder is stupid and dangerous. I don't think it's "perfectly legal" either. I you want to over take, wait for a suitable time and place where it's safe to do so. If you are looking for all drivers to be within the same 10kmph bracket, that's never going to happen.

Nowhere did I say that the road belongs to any type or group of drivers.

Well, you're wrong no need to be so overly dramatic, have a look from the official theory test.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

M94 wrote: »

Well, you're wrong no need to be so overly dramatic, have a look from the official theory test.

That's fair enough that it's in the driver theory test, but it shouldn't be. It's intended for other road users apart from motorized users and it's dangerous for cars to be driving in the hard shoulder at 70 or 80 Kmph. It's stupid to do so. As I said, wait for the right time to overtake or get out of bed 10 minutes earlier.

Ginger83

conzy wrote: »

I'm not going to read this thread but IMO merging onto a motorway at 70-80kmh is far more dangerous than someone doing 160kmh in the outside lane

So who's breaking the rules of the road?

Who'd get a ticket?

FortySeven

Frances Silly Pink wrote: »

That's fair enough that it's in the driver theory test, but it shouldn't be. It's intended for other road users apart from motorized users and it's dangerous for cars to be driving in the hard shoulder at 70 or 80 Kmph. It's stupid to do so. As I said, wait for the right time to overtake or get out of bed 10 minutes earlier.

It has been repeatedly stated on this thread that some of us don't have an option to get up earlier or set off earlier due to multiple commitments. As is common for many in life.

beauf

FortySeven wrote: »

It has been repeatedly stated on this thread that some of us don't have an option to get up earlier or set off earlier due to multiple commitments. As is common for many in life.

If people plan everything with no margin for delays no wonder they are so impatient and angry.

FortySeven

beauf wrote: »

If people plan everything with no margin for delays no wonder they are so impatient and angry.

School starts at 8.30. Work starts at 9. Rural, no childcare available, no family. Kids too young to leave.

Knock yourself out planning that one. At least you can see those drivers for what they are. Delays!

yes there

Frances Silly Pink wrote:

That's fair enough that it's in the driver theory test, but it shouldn't be. It's intended for other road users apart from motorized users and it's dangerous for cars to be driving in the hard shoulder at 70 or 80 Kmph. It's stupid to do so. As I said, wait for the right time to overtake or get out of bed 10 minutes earlier.

How is it stupid? Are you implying you dont have the intelligence to guage whether it is safe or not to pull into a lane on your left to allow another car passed? I presume you wouldn't dare drive on a motorway. Thank God for that, I can only imagine the carnage you would cause.

beauf

FortySeven wrote: »

School starts at 8.30. Work starts at 9. Rural, no childcare available, no family. Kids too young to leave.

Knock yourself out planning that one. At least you can see those drivers for what they are. Delays!

There's lots of solutions. Share with another parent. Have a child minder for the school run. Make an arrangement with work. Etc.

But if it's your habit to paint yourself into a corner, nothing anyone else says will change that. It's a bad habit for driving though.

beauf

yes there wrote: »

How is it stupid? Are you implying you dont have the intelligence to guage whether it is safe or not to pull into a lane on your left to allow another car passed? I presume you wouldn't dare drive on a motorway. Thank God for that, I can only imagine the carnage you would cause.

Id be on the fence about it. Can be unseen debris in there. I would use to to let faster drivers by, but I'd be very cautious.

GustavoGaviria

FortySeven wrote: »

School starts at 8.30. Work starts at 9. Rural, no childcare available, no family. Kids too young to leave.

Knock yourself out planning that one. At least you can see those drivers for what they are. Delays!

So your commuting 30min on Rural roads with 100km limits with such heavy traffic that you can't get a chance to overtake?