Irish TV - gone?

sligojoek

The frontpage of the Irish World.

STB.

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Has it moved, it's not where it was on my fta box.

They are on 11686 V DVB-S. They moved back in September.

They Broadcast in MPEG2. I see that they have dropped their bitrate since this day last month to 3Mb/s. They had been statically using 4megs up to that.



It comes as no shock to me that they are where they are. All the rubbish being fed to the newspapers about getting on Saorview and the carriage costs etc was for attention. A station that long lost direction. diaspora or not ? €1m for Sky carriage alone. Crazy money burning exercise. The 3 year projections of breakeven by 2016 hasn't transpired.

If the adverts I saw where an indication of what they have attracted in terms of income, its as good as gone.

BTW. RTE already have an international version of its RTE Player. Its very popular.

PacMan

STB. wrote: »

If the adverts I saw where an indication of what they have attracted in terms of income, its as good as gone.

I occasionally dip in and out, and it confuses me that Galway County Council are advertising on it, followed by an ad for a Car Dealership in Thurles with the phone number listed in the international format : +353 504 etc.
What is the target market for car sales or for Galway Council ?

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

PacMan wrote: »

I occasionally dip in and out, and it confuses me that Galway County Council are advertising on it, followed by an ad for a Car Dealership in Thurles with the phone number listed in the international format : +353 504 etc.
What is the target market for car sales or for Galway Council ?

It could be the people in charge of running the channel really don'have that much expeirence in broadcasting. Thay just seem to except any type of cheap advertising which will bring in some sort of revenue.

afatbollix

The same feed is broadcast around the world so that is why you have American ads followed by a Irish ad. Who makes the ads though? is it Irish TV or a outside production company?

JDxtra

afatbollix wrote: »

The same feed is broadcast around the world so that is why you have American ads followed by a Irish ad. Who makes the ads though? is it Irish TV or a outside production company?

Students?

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

afatbollix wrote: »

The same feed is broadcast around the world so that is why you have American ads followed by a Irish ad. Who makes the ads though? is it Irish TV or a outside production company?

I would say an outside production company and most likely are willing to except a cheap rate for making them.

steveon

Some more news

http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/11/08/irishtv-channel-faces-restructuring/

Elmo

steveon wrote: »

Some more news

http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/11/08/irishtv-channel-faces-restructuring/

What is with this idea they were hoping to get more of the licence fee! come on the government would have to bring in legislation to change were the money flows, highly unlikely that the government would do that, lets face it they have postponed the broadcasting charge 5 years in a row (and its been thought about for at least 15!).

Blame the licence fee and soarveiw fees time.

Hotblack Desiato

It's their terrible programming and lack of focus on a target market (Ireland or overseas - can't be both) they should be blaming.

I wonder what Galway ratepayers think about their money being wasted advertising on a channel practically nobody watches. What use does a county council have for TV advertising anyway?

PacMan

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

IWhat use does a county council have for TV advertising anyway?

Great question. I asked myself when I saw the ad.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

PacMan wrote: »

Great question. I asked myself when I saw the ad.

Just shows how much desperate they are for revenue. Sad times indeed.

afatbollix

Lol a TV channels fault that someone wants to advertise on them. I would of charged them twice if they wanted a TV ad.

mikeym

They could do what the Religious Stations do and have a fundraiser to support the channel.

Elmo

Other reasons for its difficulties included the fact it was not in a position to fund RTÉ’s security requirements for accessing the Saorview platform. The Brexit decision has affected advertising revenue, it added.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/interim-examiner-appointed-to-irish-tv-1.2863080

told ye so!

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Elmo wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/interim-examiner-appointed-to-irish-tv-1.2863080

told ye so!

Reading that article it seems to me basically they started to run before they could walk as far as ambitions and profit were concerned.Also it's the same old story the staff are the casualties with job losses and redundancies. I wonder where is the money going to come from for redundancies?

the_wabbitt

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/irish-tv-secures-court-protection-after-unexpected-funding-shortfall-35205126.html

A TELEVISION company in Co Mayo employing 30 people has obtained High Court protection after an unexpected funding shortfall and liabilities over assets of €8.7m.
Telifis Mhaigh Eo Teoranta, trading as "Irish TV", operates from Westport Industrial Park in Co Mayo and broadcasts a 24-hour channel on Sky, Eir and free-to-air services as well as an on-line video on demand service.
When established in March 2011, it objects included to promote Mayo as a centre of Irish and Celtic culture and also to promote the Irish language.

It is a subsidiary of Eochair Media Holdings Ltd (EMHL) which, it said in its petition seeking court protection, has "encountered an unexpected and significant funding shortfall."
Co-founder and chief executive, Piaras O'Reilly, and managing director, Mairead O'Reilly, together own 51 per cent of EMHL while John Griffin has the other major shareholding (41 per cent). Mr Griffin resigned as a director of both EMHL and Telifis Maigh Eo on October 27 last.

In its petition seeking court protection, Irish TV said it has been left with an immediate operational cash flow shortfall after the main funder withdrew support in late October.
This followed four years of losses and it now has net liabilities of €8.7m.

Other reasons for its difficulties included the fact it was not in a position to fund RTE's security requirements for accessing the Saorview platform. The Brexit decision has affected advertising revenue, it says.
An independent expert's report has found the deficiency between assets and liabilities has been satisfactorily accounted for and is due to the accumulated losses of the last four years.

The report says however that if a number of steps are taken it has a reasonable prospect of survival. These include thre closure of offices in New York, London, Dublin, Tyrone and Kerry, the implementation of a redundancy programme for certain employees, and reduced travel costs and expenses across all depatments.
Ms Justice Marie Baker was satisfied to appoint Michael McAteer as interim examiner.
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Johnboy1951

The report says however that if a number of steps are taken it has a reasonable prospect of survival.

Maybe it will survive in some form.
I hope so, although I very rarely access it myself.

Johnboy1951

The report says however that if a number of steps are taken it has a reasonable prospect of survival.

Maybe it will survive in some form.
I hope so, although I very rarely access it myself.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Maybe it will survive in some form.
I hope so, although I very rarely access it myself.

I wonder when we will see the first chages if any and what kind of change will take place. Will start cutting the schedule back to partime hours and then start cutting back on staff ?

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

According to journal.ie irish tv has sought court protection from it's creditors until it finds another backer. It will continue to broadcast for the moment.

Elmo

If Irish TV is to survive it needs to diversify its programming.

It needs to let go of the pretence of 24hour tv ... it's not true or realistic

If it wants to have a monthly programme for every county it needs to have a weekly/daily type nationwide show that takes highlights from the county shows.

It needs to move away from the twee, it needs news and current affairs. And when it does do twee it needs to take a leaf out TG4 re country and western e.g. glor tire.

It needs to be able to see a good presenter.

It will need to have 2 different feeds one for Ireland and one for an international audience. The Irish schedule needs to include international programmes even if they are just classic TV from Irish and international broadcasters, the international feed needs to include BBC NI, RTÉ, tv3, utv and TG4 news.

That's a lot of work.

Walter2016

They have no chance of survival.

Losses of 8.2m in 4 years are crazy.

Offices in New York, London, Dublin, Kerry just crazy too.



Brexit affecting advertising - me arse.


Easy to play with other people's money. Your man griffin was very foolish.

Walter2016

They have no chance of survival.

Losses of 8.2m in 4 years are crazy.

Offices in New York, London, Dublin, Kerry just crazy too.



Brexit affecting advertising - me arse.


Easy to play with other people's money. Your man griffin was very foolish.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Walter2016 wrote: »

They have no chance of survival.

Losses of 8.2m in 4 years are crazy.

Offices in New York, London, Dublin, Kerry just crazy too.



Brexit affecting advertising - me arse.


Easy to play with other people's money. Your man griffin was very foolish.

Excatly Brexit is a great excuse. The type of advertising was always tacky as was most of I'ts content from day one so using Brexit as an excuse for loss of advertising is totally unacceptable especially when they incurred big losses in the last 4 years and Brexit wasn't even a word.

afatbollix

Cara Embarrassed Pumpernickel wrote: »

I wonder when we will see the first chages if any and what kind of change will take place. Will start cutting the schedule back to partime hours and then start cutting back on staff ?

Costs the same to run 24 hours as it would for 8 hours. So no point in pulling back hours of operation.

donegal.

i'd never watched the station before but i watched "donegal matters" . I was surprised , quality was way higher than i expected.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

afatbollix wrote: »

Costs the same to run 24 hours as it would for 8 hours. So no point in pulling back hours of operation.

According to reports they have stopped production on some programming so it looks like repeats after repeats to fill 24 hours.I still think cut back the hours and the repeats and try and start all over again. Part time might be the way to go.

Elmo

Cara Embarrassed Pumpernickel wrote: »

According to reports they have stopped production on some programming so it looks like repeats after repeats to fill 24 hours.I still think cut back the hours and the repeats and try and start all over again. Part time might be the way to go.

They need to have a 3 hour schedule that they can repeat. 7pm to 10pm being the focus. repeat Monday's schedule at 10 on Tuesday, Sunday's from 4 to 7 and so on.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Elmo wrote: »

They need to have a 3 hour schedule that they can repeat. 7pm to 10pm being the focus. repeat Monday's schedule at 10 on Tuesday, Sunday's from 4 to 7 and so on.

I think maybe putting any programmes outside the county matters block of programmes should be put in the prime time slot stick in one or two county matters episodes each week night at a time where people are settleing down to watch tv and they might have a chance of grapping some of the prime time audience.

crazyguy01

donegal. wrote:

i'd never watched the station before but i watched "donegal matters" . I was surprised , quality was way higher than i expected.

Got into the Clare County Matters myself, last week or 2 was a repeat, and read somewhere in the last few days that the presenter has now joined Clare FM.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

crazyguy01 wrote: »

Got into the Clare County Matters myself, last week or 2 was a repeat, and read somewhere in the last few days that the presenter has now joined Clare FM.

Looks like some of the staff are getting out before the horse has bolted. Sinking ship by the looks of things.

Felix Jones is God

Cara Embarrassed Pumpernickel wrote: »

Looks like some of the staff are getting out before the horse has bolted. Sinking ship by the looks of things.

One reporter in Kerry is actually a teacher and does Irish TV because she likes it, couple of cameramen are doing multimedia studies and Irish TV is a good work placement for them. Even the Munster head has a couple of other jobs, it's not so much staff getting oury, more along the lines of just getting on with what they normal do here

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

One reporter in Kerry is actually a teacher and does Irish TV because she likes it, couple of cameramen are doing multimedia studies and Irish TV is a good work placement for them. Even the Munster head has a couple of other jobs, it's not so much staff getting oury, more along the lines of just getting on with what they normal do here

It's a good platform for students who may have a degree in media and want to dip their toes in to tv. For that reason alone I would hate to see it cease broadcasting.

Thargor

Are these dead now or have they changed transponder yet again? I swear they must have changed frequencies 20 times since launch.

Johnboy1951

Thargor wrote: »

Are these dead now or have they changed transponder yet again? I swear they must have changed frequencies 20 times since launch.

No change here ....... Foster & Allen Show on at this time to be followed by Out & About US

Kristopherus

Thargor wrote: »

Are these dead now or have they changed transponder yet again? I swear they must have changed frequencies 20 times since launch.

Well, its at 11686/V/21997. And at the moment they are showing a repeat of a visit they made to Gaelic Park earlier in the year for the New York v Rossies game.

feez

They moved once since the channel was launched, earlier this year it moved to 11,686 MHz V.
22 MSym/s, DVB-S QPSK, 5/6.

Thargor wrote: »

Are these dead now or have they changed transponder yet again? I swear they must have changed frequencies 20 times since launch.

Walter2016

RIP - Liquidator appointed.
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/irish-tv-wound-up-as-attempts-to-secure-funding-fails-1.2913014

But they were in la la land

"In an interview with The Irish Times in 2014, Mr Griffin predicted Irish TV would “be worth £100 million in about two years”.

Elmo

Walter2016 wrote: »

RIP - Liquidator appointed.
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/irish-tv-wound-up-as-attempts-to-secure-funding-fails-1.2913014

But they were in la la land

"In an interview with The Irish Times in 2014, Mr Griffin predicted Irish TV would “be worth £100 million in about two years”.

ah now if they had been on Saorview :rolleyes:

JDxtra

How long before they are pulled from the platforms?

The Parish priest

Was the rich guy who gave them all the money conned into thinking that they would get a slice of the tv licence fee ?

Walter2016

The Parish priest wrote: »

Was the rich guy who gave them all the money coxed into thinking that they would get a slice of the tv licence fee ?

No, i think that would have been a bonus.

When they launched they just had wild expectations that every Irish person abroad would watch it - their hoped for viewership was off the wall.

Even with the best will in the world, it was not going to succeed in today's internet age. Even minor local matches can be broadcast online with minimal equipment and all local news is available almost as it happens.

Probably would have worked 40 years ago.

JDxtra

JDxtra wrote: »

How long before they are pulled from the platforms?

Still on the Freesat platform (ch 400) as of now.

An Ciarraioch

JDxtra wrote: »

How long before they are pulled from the platforms?

Still broadcasting for now, suppose it'll take a few weeks to formally wind up the company.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Sad to see it go as no matter how much I tried to advoid it I always found myself switching over just to see if anything new would appear.

The Cush

Another story in the papers today relating to Irish TV

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/tommy-fleming-gets-injunction-over-bestselling-dvd-1.2912045
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/singer-granted-injunction-against-tv-company-over-use-of-bestselling-dvd-35306393.html

Singer Tommy Fleming has secured an injunction restraining the broadcasting of his bestselling DVD Voice of Hope by a TV company pending the hearing of a legal action.

The order was granted by a High Court judge against Irish TV, which is based in Co Mayo. The company broadcasts a 24-hour channel on Sky, Eir and free-to-air services as well as an online video-on-demand service.

liam7831

The Cush wrote: »

Another story in the papers today relating to Irish TV

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/tommy-fleming-gets-injunction-over-bestselling-dvd-1.2912045
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/singer-granted-injunction-against-tv-company-over-use-of-bestselling-dvd-35306393.html

The video shows Tommy singing Something inside so strong over and over and over and over and over and over ....,

Hotblack Desiato

Walter2016 wrote: »

When they launched they just had wild expectations that every Irish person abroad would watch it - their hoped for viewership was off the wall.

Even if they did - would that still be appealing enough to advertisers willing to pay enough to cover the costs?
The younger generation watch on-demand online or pirated content. Many of the Irish abroad are OAPs with limited spending power who have very little appeal to advertisers. I can't imagine IrishTV was bringing in anything more than a pittance in income, and that's before we start talking about the lack of audience focus and dire quality content.

Even with the best will in the world, it was not going to succeed in today's internet age. Even minor local matches can be broadcast online with minimal equipment and all local news is available almost as it happens.

Yes that's content that a small number of people want to see, if it can be made available on a voluntary basis or at a cost of half nothing then it works. A TV channel has to have more than that going for it and has a lot more costs.

Probably would have worked 40 years ago.

Wouldn't have been possible 40 years ago, might have worked 20 years ago if done properly, TaraTV was definitely a missed opportunity.

RabbleRouser2k

Gotta love how so many company's who completely and utterly miscalculated (to say the least) their current market, and thus failed, are now using the Brexit as a means to say 'oh dear, wasn't expecting that-it was completely not our fault, it was Brexit'. Brexit's become the proverbial One Armed Man to everyone else's Richard Kimble.

I kind of cannot really think of anything I watched on that channel-I think I tuned in once, like, some local TV or something channel. I thought it used to show Country music, but I realised I had the wrong channel in mind. Although I know it had attempted to promote Irish Country music with its own awards show-then RTE jumped on that, copied the idea, and I bet Irish TV were none too pleased.

Tbh, they seemed completely misguided in their thinkings. It's sad, but this is what you get when you don't do your research, and make outlandish claims. They could have just started small, and been more resource clever. But they had big ideas for a pretty small audience.