2016 Presidential Election RESULTS THREAD

FrancieBrady

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Why is this narrative about the polls getting it wrong, getting airtime? They really didn't. The result was completely within the margin for error on a national basis and there were plenty of polls calling a tie or a slight Trump lead.

Clinton was 4-5 points ahead in key polls yet Trump won at what was really a canter.
Something wrong there.

Manach

Forecast for president:
CLINTON 98.0%
TRUMP 1.7%
NOV. 8, 2016
- http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/forecast/president

CMOTDibbler

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Clinton was 4-5 points ahead in key polls yet Trump won at what was really a canter.
Something wrong there.

Just looking at the popular polls and in the last week, Clinton was at best 4 points ahead. The tracking polls were much closer with ties or 1 or two points either way,

Trump didn't win at a canter. He won key states like Florida and Wisconsin by less than 1% of the state vote and a tiny fraction of the national vote. It looks like he lost the popular vote. The result in most states was within the margin for error of the polls. Some were closer than others. Florida being one of them. I think I've only seen two state polls that were outside the margin for error. One of those was Utah which was unique in that it had a viable third candidate who had a significant enough following.

realitykeeper

Like a lot of people I did not want Donald Trump to win but I definitely didn`t want Hillary to win either. It is unfortunate that it took a Trump victory to highlight the blatantly biased polls and media reporting in the run up to the election. Had they been more honest perhaps the anti establishment backlash might not have been so severe.

CMOTDibbler

Manach wrote: »

Forecast for president:
CLINTON 98.0%
TRUMP 1.7%
NOV. 8, 2016
- http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/forecast/president

Those guys really fecked up. The same goes for Nate Silver and his 538. The models all failed miserably.

But don't confuse those models with the actual polls. They are poll aggregators and modelers and seem to get so far up their own holes, they lose sight of the actual point.

CMOTDibbler

realitykeeper wrote: »

Like a lot of people I did not want Donald Trump to win but I definitely didn`t want Hillary to win either. It is unfortunate that it took a Trump victory to highlight the blatantly biased polls and media reporting in the run up to the election. Had they been more honest perhaps the anti establishment backlash might not have been so severe.

Sorry, but that's bollocks. Trump got a big bounce in the polls when Comey had his little crisis of conscience and just had to come off prematurely.

The polls tracked things pretty well. If you think they were a problem, you weren't looking at them in any detail.

4068ac1elhodqr

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Those guys really fecked up. The same goes for Nate Silver and his 538. The models all failed miserably.

Agree, all paid-for shills, most likely retraining in wall assembly techniques and swamp drainage.
Some projections being banded around were 90% HC win even on the final day, much lolz.

CMOTDibbler

Rodrigo Bewildered Sediment wrote: »

Agree, all paid-for shills, most likely retraining in wall assembly techniques and swamp drainage.
Some projections being banded around were 90% HC win even on the final day, much lolz.

I note that 538 are already trying to blame the polls. They've listed the variances and reading down through them, I'm going margin for error, margin for error, margin for error...

Their model had HRC at 71% on the day of the election. Not as bad as HuffPost's 98%, but bad enough. Too bad to be a fault of polls that were within the margin for error.

4068ac1elhodqr

This chart sums up the 'paid-for media bias' perfectly, from a 'prediction specialist/consultant' too.
Thing is, he forgot to drive around without those rose-blue tinted glasses and chat with the regular Joes & Janes, rather than rely on 2nd-hand data-pulls.



2hrs and 8% becomes more like 100%, good laugh.

Cookie_Monster

So current numbers actually have a majority for Clinton, pity it doesn't actually count in their moronic system.

HC 59,796,805 Popular Votes
DT 59,590,426 Popular Votes

Thargor

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

So current numbers actually have a majority for Clinton, pity it doesn't actually count in their moronic system.

HC 59,796,805 Popular Votes
DT 59,590,426 Popular Votes

How do you split 120 million individuals in a chaotic system that evenly? It doesn't seem like it should be possible but it happens over and over again.

CMOTDibbler

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

So current numbers actually have a majority for Clinton, pity it doesn't actually count in their moronic system.

HC 59,796,805 Popular Votes
DT 59,590,426 Popular Votes

Meh. There are far worse problems with the electoral system than the electoral college. At least that system is designed to enfranchise.

The fact that you would have to queue for hours to vote is moronic in a modern democracy. How many people are disenfranchised by poll opening hours and long queues?

KingBrian2

Hey guys congratulations from Ireland in finally choosing an American President amidst all the election noise. Wish you Americans all the best over there.:) Good work Trump, best of the lot IMO.

oscarBravo

Thargor wrote: »

How do you split 120 million individuals in a chaotic system that evenly? It doesn't seem like it should be possible but it happens over and over again.

Polarisation. Create an in-group, and fill it with terror of the out-group. Rinse, repeat.

CMOTDibbler

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Hey guys congratulations from Ireland in finally choosing an American President amidst all the election noise. Wish you Americans all the best over there.:) Good work Trump, best of the lot IMO.

For those americans who aren't familiar with the Irish language, I'll translate for you:

Good luck with that...

Brian?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If I was an American I would be asking why an alignment of the media and polling companies lied so strongly about the outcome of this election.

They didn't. Every poll has a margin of error.

Hank Scorpio

Brian? wrote: »

They didn't. Every poll has a margin of error.

Much of the media did. CNN interviewed Trumps son asking him early on during election day if they're going to concede. Disgusting, dishonest people.

realitykeeper

I suggest a prayer for Donald Trump and his Presidency.

realitykeeper

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Sorry, but that's bollocks. Trump got a big bounce in the polls when Comey had his little crisis of conscience and just had to come off prematurely.

Are you saying he should have covered it up until after the election? At least this way the American people were able to make a more informed choice.

vetinari

Good article here about the influence of racism on the result. Trumps share of the white vote exceeded all expectations.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13571676/trump-win-racism-power

Hank Scorpio

Vox is even worse than the Clinton news network. Trump had more Black and Hispanic voters than Romney did.

Have a listen to this racist Trump Supporter and her disgusting ideology.

vetinari

Your guy won, you don't have to hide your racism anymore.

Hank Scorpio

vetinari wrote: »

Your guy won, you don't have to hide your racism anymore.

Not surprising to see liberals throwing the race card when they lose. Clinton lost because she is a shill for Globalism and a puppet for multi national corporations with no connection to working middle class Americans.

Obama's legacy

Lowest labor partipipation since the 1970's
95 million out of the labor force
Lowest homer ownership rate in 50 years
43 Million Americans on food stamps, 12M more since Obama took office
45 Million living in poverty, up 8M since Obama became President
1 in 5 American families without somebody in the workforce
1 in 5 Men 18-34 either in Jail or no Job
Obama's term has ACCULMATED MORE DEBT THAN ALL 43 PRESIDENTS BEFORE HIM COMBINED.

But keep using the race card.

Overheal

There are some racists in Trumps rebellion.

They do not at all account for the reasons why he won though. So no I would not call this a referendum on being a racist. Don't need to go there.

Overheal

Do you want to know how Facebook reacted to the election though? In all seriousness?

Not a single god damn picture of a cat all ****ing day.

That's how seriously everyone - and I mean everyone - talked about this election today.

I wonder if people are woke now or just pretending.

Hank Scorpio

There's a lot of big protests going down in the major cities. Hopefully they don't turn violent. Same thing would have happened if Hillary won.

Overheal

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

There's a lot of big protests going down in the major cities. Hopefully they don't turn violent. Same thing would have happened if Hillary won.

With more guns.
Some reports of celebratory vandalism though. FB links

https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/photos/a.799605230078397.1073741828.799539910084929/1194339363938313/?type=3

https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/photos/a.799605230078397.1073741828.799539910084929/1194332460605670/?type=3

Validity unconfirmed but I'd be very surprised if there wasn't some of this going around at all.

Hank Scorpio

Every side has bad eggs, it's not like I couldn't search liberals doing similar things.

I do think there would would have been a rebellion of sorts if Hillary had won honestly, so it's a good thing she lost.

Hank Scorpio

https://streamable.com/6nwo

This is what real Racism is, NSFW maybe. Bunch of African Americans beating a white guy cause he voted Trump, zero media coverage.

Like I said there's bad eggs on both sides, I hope eventually certain people will stop thinking Trump supporters are this bunch of neo nazis and Hillary's supporters are perfect.

Nody

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

This is what real Racism is, NSFW maybe. Bunch of African Americans beating a white guy cause he voted Trump, zero media coverage.

Like I said there's bad eggs on both sides, I hope eventually certain people will stop thinking Trump supporters are this bunch of neo nazis and Hillary's supporters are perfect.

https://twitter.com/patronsajnt/status/796401030594494464

Taken from another board I use posted by a white male:

A friend of mine, born in the US, but a devout Muslim in a hajib was literally accosted in a local grocery store today by a Trump support who said "Trump's going to kick all of you islamic terrorists out of the country!".

Neither got media coverage either so that goes to show that not every case gets into the media but if Brexit is anything to by we can expect the number of cases to sky rocket in the days and months to come; Brexit increased reported hate crimes by 57% compared to the previous year and I'm quite certain there's a big number not reported on top of it. It's going to get ugly out there; that's the short and simple truth.

Wanderer78

America is a very divided and broken society, election reaction is very interesting to watch. It 'll take decades to solve these issues if ever. Something fundamental has gone wrong

Hank Scorpio

Germany and France having similar problems

FrancieBrady

'There were No racists in America before Trump.'

Hank Scorpio

Nody wrote: »

It's going to get ugly out there; that's the short and simple truth.

Agree. Police have their work cut out for them. Trumps said many daft things to heat this up, Hillary has created alot of tension too with groups like black lives matter.

Wanderer78

Hank Scorpio wrote:

Germany and France having similar problems

I'd say most societies have similar problems particularly western societies. Something quite serious is causing this division.

Hank Scorpio

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I'd say most societies have similar problems particularly western societies. Something quite serious is causing this division.

Multiculturalism doesn't work

511

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Multiculturalism doesn't work

Case in point is Punjabi culture is England: child grooming, honour killings, cousin marriages. How are we supposed to integrate that? How do we get Punjabis to stop practicing these aspects of their culture outside of Pakistan?

Ireland needs to be very cautious taking in immigrants from Pakistan, I'd even support an ban Pakistanis since Pakistan refuses to them back illegals.

CMOTDibbler

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Germany and France having similar problems

The problems are not being exacerbated by a mainstreaming event like a direct vote for someone or something with an anti-immigration platform. That may change if, for example Marine Le Pen gets elected in France.

Hate driven by fear isn't the answer either. As long as people are marginalised because of their race, religion or colour, that fear will always exist.

Nody

511 wrote: »

Case in point is Punjabi culture is England: child grooming, honour killings, cousin marriages. How are we supposed to integrate that? How do we get Punjabis to stop practicing these aspects of their culture outside of Pakistan?

Ireland needs to be very cautious taking in immigrants from Pakistan, I'd even support an ban Pakistanis since Pakistan refuses to them back illegals.

Well seeing how 80%+ of all pedophiles are white male I guess we should not let any men be around children then; after all clearly the culture for white men around children does not work and females in general.

511

511 wrote: »

Case in point is Punjabi culture is England: child grooming, honour killings, cousin marriages. How are we supposed to integrate that? How do we get Punjabis to stop practicing these aspects of their culture outside of Pakistan?

Ireland needs to be very cautious taking in immigrants from Pakistan, I'd even support an ban Pakistanis since Pakistan refuses to them back illegals.

With the rule of law. All of what you have described is illegal.

alastair

Deleted User wrote: »

With the rule of law. All of what you have described is illegal.

Marrying your cousin is legal.

FA Hayek

Nody wrote: »

https://twitter.com/patronsajnt/status/796401030594494464

Taken from another board I use posted by a white male:


Neither got media coverage either so that goes to show that not every case gets into the media but if Brexit is anything to by we can expect the number of cases to sky rocket in the days and months to come; Brexit increased reported hate crimes by 57% compared to the previous year and I'm quite certain there's a big number not reported on top of it. It's going to get ugly out there; that's the short and simple truth.

I would take these social media stories with a large vat of salt.

alastair

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Multiculturalism doesn't work

Except that it does.

alastair

FA Hayek wrote: »

I would take these social media stories with a large vat of salt.

I'd take anything on social media with a grain of salt, but the official police figures can't be ignored: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/28/hate-crime-horrible-spike-brexit-vote-metropolitan-police

FA Hayek

alastair wrote: »

I'd take anything on social media with a grain of salt, but the official police figures can't be ignored: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/28/hate-crime-horrible-spike-brexit-vote-metropolitan-police

Those figures have been disputed before and will be disputed again. Oh look, I am disputing them!

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/the-real-hate-crime-scandal/
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/increase-hate-crime-really-tells-us-post-brexit-britain/

alastair

FA Hayek wrote: »

Those figures have been disputed before and will be disputed again. Oh look, I am disputing them!

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/the-real-hate-crime-scandal/
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/increase-hate-crime-really-tells-us-post-brexit-britain/

The Spectator taking issue with political correctness, and attempting to fudge the catagorisation of hate crimes doesn't really remove from their reality.

Here's the core data, with clear definitions on sources, definitions, and validation processes: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/559319/hate-crime-1516-hosb1116.pdf

vetinari

Overheal, a lot of racists voted for Trump.
By racist I don't mean the looking to hang black people from a tree kind but the I don't like the country being less white kind.

People love to talk about the out of work white factory worker when it comes to Trump. He won 50% of the white college educated male vote and 43% of the college educated female vote as well. Those groups are doing quite well in this economy. Those percentages are way higher than they should be for a candidate that offered them very little.

His entire slogan "make America great again" was white only. It was literally meaningless for non white people. You think black people want to go back to the fifties or sixties? It takes a lot of cognitive dissonance to look at the voting breakdowns and not see race as a major factor in this election.

vetinari

This tweet breaks down the voting groups by income. He doesn't make the race connection. Once you get over 50 k per year,you re getting disproportionately white. A lot of white people who are doing fine voted for Trump.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MWLaPointe/status/796419859559182336

realitykeeper

The US "democrats" are protesting because they did not like the election result ... just like in Gabon. That never happened before in the USA. I am not at all happy that Trump was elected but the Republicans would have respected the outcome if Clinton had won.

vetinari

People have a peaceful right to protest.