Where now for ASTI? ****ASTI Action- Part III - See 1st Post***

mirrorwall14

Depends on local arrangements. Our school has always been used for S and S if its tight during those weeks. Where possible we are left free

solerina

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Depends on local arrangements. Our school has always been used for S and S if its tight during those weeks. Where possible we are left free

It shouldn't depend on local arrangements though. You are free if there is no one taking the class !!

CWF

Union said the principal can 100 percent do that.

Chancer3001

If all your students are gone on school acrivity then you are free for s and s cover yes.

r93kaey5p2izun

Chancer3001 wrote: »

If all your students are gone on school acrivity then you are free for s and s cover yes.

I dont think that's the case. Circular 25/2011 says you would be available to cover any teacher who is on the trip, not free for general cover. The school should use a paid substitute for relevant absences or the S&S roster otherwise.

solerina

Chancer3001 wrote: »

If all your students are gone on school acrivity then you are free for s and s cover yes.

This came up on our school a few yrs ago, when it was checked out we were told you are free and can't be used for general S&S, I didn't think this had changed, it hasn't in my school anyway.

CWF

Kolton Teeny Hall wrote: »

I dont think that's the case. Circular 25/2011 says you would be available to cover any teacher who is on the trip, not free for general cover. The school should use a paid substitute for relevant absences or the S&S roster otherwise.

That's what I thought. But the union rep for my area said different.

man_no_plan

CWF wrote: »

That's what I thought. But the union rep for my area said different.

Reassignment during timetabled hours was part of croke park.

To be fair you're being paid to teach a class at a given time.

You would rather have a colleague work for nothing than to take the class? Makes a laugh of opposition to working for free / less money.

Villain

Do the ASTI have a plan for how they will oppose the plans, they hardy want to try the supervision withdrawl again after the climb down the last time?

Pursefan

In relation to supervision when your class is out of the school, I checked in last two weeks with ASTI head office and we do cover only if other teachers are with them. You cannot be put up for general SnS. If your class is in the school but at a talk etc with another teacher, then the school uses SnS rota, not you.

CWF

Pursefan wrote: »

In relation to supervision when your class is out of the school, I checked in last two weeks with ASTI head office and we do cover only if other teachers are with them. You cannot be put up for general SnS. If your class is in the school but at a talk etc with another teacher, then the school uses SnS rota, not you.

The person I spoke to in head office is wrong so. Hearing very conflicting views here.

Icsics

CWF wrote: »

The person I spoke to in head office is wrong so. Hearing very conflicting views here.

Email KC, he responds quickly.

MrJones1973

To withdraw or not withdraw from S and S-that is the question. To continue doing free work or provoke the Department into Redundancies? If it does happen it will be with notice not like the fiasco in Nov.

Boohoo71

Is it likely that ASTI members will be timetabled for 22 teaching hours , not 21hours 20 minutes after rejection of recent proposals?

MrJones1973

Boohoo71 wrote: »

Is it likely that ASTI members will be timetabled for 22 teaching hours , not 21hours 20 minutes after rejection of recent proposals?

Yep

Jamfa

Boohoo71 wrote: »

Is it likely that ASTI members will be timetabled for 22 teaching hours , not 21hours 20 minutes after rejection of recent proposals?

Yes & the reduction of 40 minutes was set to create 550 extra post-primary teaching positions. The ETBs will reduce their timetables & I assume ASTI members & non-union will have 22 hours.

Boohoo71

Obviously this will be an issue, once timetables are completed this June /July they are written in stone for 2017/18. If there is a subsequent agreement during 17/18 it will be difficult, if not impossible, to deliver reduced timetables.

Then there is the case of a second Deputy Principal post in a mixed union school with more than 700 students - can only TUI members apply and be successful?

If so surely this will cause major tension, this will have to be challenged by the ASTI.

Jamfa

Boohoo71 wrote: »

Obviously this will be an issue, once timetables are completed this June /July they are written in stone for 2017/18. If there is a subsequent agreement during 17/18 it will be difficult, if not impossible, to deliver reduced timetables.

Then there is the case of a second Deputy Principal post in a mixed union school with more than 700 students - can only TUI members apply and be successful?

If so surely this will cause major tension, this will have to be challenged by the ASTI.

The second deputy isn't linked to the agreeements & the JMB are keen for them to be be appointed before the summer.
The 40 min reduction is directly linked to planning for JCreform so if the ASTI are directing to not plan then schools will have to timetable for 22 hours.

Boohoo71

Thanks for clarifying that, thought the posts were included. Makes things a bit easier then.

judeboy101

Boohoo71 wrote: »

Obviously this will be an issue, once timetables are completed this June /July they are written in stone for 2017/18. If there is a subsequent agreement during 17/18 it will be difficult, if not impossible, to deliver reduced timetables.

Then there is the case of a second Deputy Principal post in a mixed union school with more than 700 students - can only TUI members apply and be successful?

If so surely this will cause major tension, this will have to be challenged by the ASTI.

Manys the year our genius of a DP has not given us a timetable til August and two years ago we worked a temp timetable til late Sept while he got his act together. If deal done you'll see asti schools with new time tables by midterm in Oct.

joebloggs32

Boohoo71 wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying that, thought the posts were included. Makes things a bit easier then.

The deputy isn't linked to the LRA but I do think the posts will be as they were covered by the LRA.

gavwaldo

Jamfa wrote: »

The second deputy isn't linked to the agreeements & the JMB are keen for them to be be appointed before the summer.
The 40 min reduction is directly linked to planning for JCreform so if the ASTI are directing to not plan then schools will have to timetable for 22 hours.

By any chance do you know if the 320 additional resource teacher posts announced in the same budget are also outsides the clutches of LRA?

SligoBrewer

I know it's been and gone, but this is the difference in the accumulated earnings between the negotiated LRA pay scale and the old pay scale.

Boohoo71

joebloggs32 wrote: »

The deputy isn't linked to the LRA but I do think the posts will be as they were covered by the LRA.

Just had a look at the ASTI website and the 1000 posts appear to be lost to TUI members. Surely the ASTI can challenge this, a criteria in the selection process being the union you are in. There may be cases where the best candidate, ASTI member, cannot be selected.

evolving_doors

gavwaldo wrote: »

By any chance do you know if the 320 additional resource teacher posts announced in the same budget are also outsides the clutches of LRA?

Yes that's part of new allocation model.

judeboy101

Boohoo71 wrote: »

Just had a look at the ASTI website and the 1000 posts appear to be lost to TUI members. Surely the ASTI can challenge this, a criteria in the selection process being the union you are in. There may be cases where the best candidate, ASTI member, cannot be selected.

There's as much a chance of seeing 1000 new jobs as is of seeing that scoliosis theatre in olchc up and running in april

MrJones1973

I think a lot of posts here are premature. I doubt government has worked out what will happen yet . In relation to posts -particulary in dual union schools. At the moment they wondering whose move it is. In my view Asti should pull plug on s and s in April. Then see what the government does over redundancies.

We really have to ask ourselves what is our bottom line and how will we achieve this? If you are ruling out all out strike or any strike what is the plan ? Long term work to rule?

judeboy101

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

I think a lot of posts here are premature. I doubt government has worked out what will happen yet . In relation to posts -particulary in dual union schools. At the moment they wondering whose move it is. In my view Asti should pull plug on s and s in April. Then see what the government does over redundancies.

We really have to ask ourselves what is our bottom line and how will we achieve this? If you are ruling out all out strike or any strike what is the plan ? Long term work to rule?

Equal pay for equal work and the new jc assessed exactly the way the old one was via terminal exam/ terminal project aka externally, with multiple levels and no school cert.

PureClareGold

judeboy101 wrote: »

Equal pay for equal work and the new jc assessed exactly the way the old one was via terminal exam/ terminal project aka externally, with multiple levels and no school cert.

Never has been equal for equal work. Two teachers both teaching 22 hours but began 10 years apart have always been on different points of the scale. Do you want a flat rate for all teachers regardless of experience?
Why don't we go back to the hedge schools? They worked fine too sure. Why bother with school buildings? If it worked well donkey's years ago why bother trying to modernize?

happywithlife

PureClareGold wrote: »

Never has been equal for equal work. Two teachers both teaching 22 hours but began 10 years apart have always been on different points of the scale. Do you want a flat rate for all teachers regardless of experience?
Why don't we go back to the hedge schools? They worked fine too sure. Why bother with school buildings? If it worked well donkey's years ago why bother trying to modernize?

I think you're showing your youth in many if indeed not all of your posts
Equal work for equal pay is the union tag line although I do agree it is misleading
ONE common PAYSCALE is what members want to give equality