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Where now for ASTI? ****ASTI Action- Part III - See 1st Post***

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    #2012
    deiseindublin
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    Mrwhite1970 wrote: »
    I dont agree with abandoning the action for reasons I have outlined previously but I think those in favor of this have to be respected. Though they should be open to rational argument
    I don't think they do. There was a democratic ballot and the outcome went against them, same as it did for me with TUI but I have to just suck it up. Less than 1 in every 2 members feels the same as them so they didn't get the result they wanted. That's how it works, now they have to get over it or bail out. Throwing their toys out of the pram doesn't change a democratic ballot.


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    #2013
    Benicetomonty
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    Numbers over quota were miniscule. And every one of them joined the TUI to avail of redeployment. Including 1 person from my place.


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    #2014
    evolving_doors
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    Benicetomonty wrote: »
    Numbers over quota were miniscule. And every one of them joined the TUI to avail of redeployment. Including 1 person from my place.

    Were they given a warning that they were the ones earmarked for redundancy/ redeployment


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    #2015
    Benicetomonty
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    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    Were they given a warning that they were the ones earmarked for redundancy/ redeployment

    Yes as far as I know.


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    #2016
    judeboy101
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    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    Were they given a warning that they were the ones earmarked for redundancy/ redeployment

    From what I know some were told by Asti reps to join tui to avoid the scenario aka lesser of 2 evils.


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    #2017
    MrJones1973
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    My prediction-ASTI will fork out thousands for a special convention which will just reaffirm rejection. Would be a different matter if all members were balloted. Its just so very very Irish and while I can see the others point of view about losing money etc -they are making me sick with asking the same question again and again of the SAME People and expecting a different answer? I know they are using the rules but so did Jeremy corbyn to become and stay leader of the Labour party.

    Nothing has changed+no need for Reballot.


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    #2018
    acequion
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    Mrwhite1970 wrote: »
    My prediction-ASTI will fork out thousands for a special convention which will just reaffirm rejection. Would be a different matter if all members were balloted. Its just so very very Irish and while I can see the others point of view about losing money etc -they are making me sick with asking the same question again and again of the SAME People and expecting a different answer? I know they are using the rules but so did Jeremy corbyn to become and stay leader of the Labour party.

    Nothing has changed+no need for Reballot.

    I completely agree with you and I hope you're right that they'll get rejected again. I have no problem accepting a result in a democratic ballot of all members. But it would be outlandish if these individuals succeeded in bullying their way.

    So I would urge people not to be complacent and please attend your branch meetings. This is one meeting no one should skip.That way we can ensure that fair minded people will represent us at the special convention. I would be hoping that some of you guys who post here will be at it. This particular faction is so bullish that they will do their utmost to influence the type of people that get going. All CEC members will attend but there are quite a few new people on CEC and who knows how they will vote!


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    #2019
    jayo76
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    I will be at the special convention and hopefuly these people are defeated. If somehow they get their way we should just play them at their own game and immediately register another petition with 800 signatures to demand another special convention to discuss our concerns re the standing down of action!


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    #2020
    Mekekka
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    jayo76 wrote: »
    I will be at the special convention and hopefuly these people are defeated. If somehow they get their way we should just play them at their own game and immediately register another petition with 800 signatures to demand another special convention to discuss our concerns re the standing down of action!

    I'll happily attend the special convention too whenever it's on, hopefully to see the current stance held up. It galls me that they keep harping on about CIDs as their big reason for this, I'm one of those who would be applying this year under other circumstances (actually I did apply this week Based on the circular that was shared here and went out to school stewards but we shall see how that goes...) and I'm mad that they claim they are representing me and those like me and their fight now is for our benefit. Thanks, but no thanks.


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    #2021
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭acequion


    Mekekka wrote: »
    I'll happily attend the special convention too whenever it's on, hopefully to see the current stance held up. It galls me that they keep harping on about CIDs as their big reason for this, I'm one of those who would be applying this year under other circumstances (actually I did apply this week Based on the circular that was shared here and went out to school stewards but we shall see how that goes...) and I'm mad that they claim they are representing me and those like me and their fight now is for our benefit. Thanks, but no thanks.

    Fair play to you Mekekka!


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    #2022
    Mekekka
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    acequion wrote: »
    Fair play to you Mekekka!

    Got on to HQ to see what the rationale for suggesting we apply now was and went to my principal and asked would he sign it, and he did. Still presume I'll get a no but one more form to process if nothing else.


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    #2023
    Icsics
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    Sat 10th June for Special Convention


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    #2024
    judeboy101
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    Icsics wrote: »
    Sat 10th June for Special Convention

    When will they pick delegates?


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    #2025
    Icsics
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    Next branch meeting, CEC automatically going


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    #2026
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭acequion


    June 10th is into the summer holidays and many people will be away. Therefore everyone is asked to email Ed Byrne to ask to change the date in order to facilitate all those who wish to go. The only fair way to do this is to ensure that it takes place before the end of May or from the end of August ie during the school year.

    The rules state that a special convention must be "called" not "held" within 6 weeks. Therefore there is no reason not to "call" the meeting for September.

    Email to astipresident@asti.ie


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    #2027
    Liberal_irony
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    I thought you couldn't swap union in the middle of a dispute. I couldn't join ASTI in October for this reason


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    #2028
    judeboy101
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    Liberal_irony wrote: »
    I thought you couldn't swap union in the middle of a dispute. I couldn't join ASTI in October for this reason

    You can if you lie or the other union turn a blind eye. Both of which are happening as asti members join tui


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    #2029
    judeboy101
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    Does anyone have the exact wording of the motion to be discussed at the special convention. If I don't get picked to go you'll spot me outside citywest handing out 30pieces of silver to those who signed the petition.


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    #2030
    ccazza
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    http://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/asti-announces-special-convention/


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    #2031
    judeboy101
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    ccazza wrote: »
    http://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/asti-announces-special-convention/

    So if the talks are finished before the 10th then we don't have to have a convention or suspend?


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    #2032
    SligoBrewer
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    Gold Plated™

    https://brianmlucey.wordpress.com/2017/05/10/those-gold-plated-public-sector-pensions/


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    #2033
    MrJones1973
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    Any news from Branches? Im hoping to be nominated by our branch this week. What is mood?


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    #2034
    judeboy101
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    Got txt this morn about fail protest this eve. Could have given us a bit more notification


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    #2035
    dory
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    So if the talks are finished before the 10th then we don't have to have a convention or suspend?

    We have to have it anyway as it was called and therefore must happen. So will cost us €80k either way.
    Mrwhite1970 wrote: »
    Any news from Branches? Im hoping to be nominated by our branch this week. What is mood?

    Not great, as you'd expect. We have our 14 picked for the convention. People generally against the motion at the convention as it's so pie in the sky. It assumes the government will say "No industrial action? Oh, fab here's your money. Lets just forget about the JC".
    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Got txt this morn about fail protest this eve. Could have given us a bit more notification

    Ed Byrne found out at 5.50pm yesterday that the public service talks were starting today at 3.30pm. They gave as much notice as they could.


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    #2036
    judeboy101
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    dory wrote: »
    We have to have it anyway as it was called and therefore must happen. So will cost us €80k either way.



    Not great, as you'd expect. We have our 14 picked for the convention. People generally against the motion at the convention as it's so pie in the sky. It assumes the government will say "No industrial action? Oh, fab here's your money. Lets just forget about the JC".



    Ed Byrne found out at 5.50pm yesterday that the public service talks were starting today at 3.30pm. They gave as much notice as they could.

    He could have texted last Ni, many if us cant organise child cover from school as was as some. Id have lived to have gone.


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    #2037
    dory
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    He could have texted last Ni, many if us cant organise child cover from school as was as some. Id have lived to have gone.

    Yea, they could have. I guess no one was in the office after 6. Ed was at a retirement do in Cork and popped into the branch meeting for a chat. Have to say, he was good and made a lot of sense. I realised how ignorant I'd been of the whole thing. It's so easy to sit in the staffroom saying "They're doing nothing" etc. But then you go, and you listen, and realise every advance has been because of ASTI pushing, and they're taking all the slack for it. At the end of the day they're only implementing the will of their members. They can't help that the government won't give an inch.

    I'm obviously not saying they're perfect. Far from it. I wish they'd hire proper PR people for a start. But they're better than TUI for fighting for teachers' rights.


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    #2038
    Icsics
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    dory wrote: »
    Yea, they could have. I guess no one was in the office after 6. Ed was at a retirement do in Cork and popped into the branch meeting for a chat. Have to say, he was good and made a lot of sense. I realised how ignorant I'd been of the whole thing. It's so easy to sit in the staffroom saying "They're doing nothing" etc. But then you go, and you listen, and realise every advance has been because of ASTI pushing, and they're taking all the slack for it. At the end of the day they're only implementing the will of their members. They can't help that the government won't give an inch.

    I'm obviously not saying they're perfect. Far from it. I wish they'd hire proper PR people for a start. But they're better than TUI for fighting for teachers' rights.

    I agree, Ed Byrne is a strong leader but impeded by internal politics. The people who called for & got the special convention are now looking for a special SC to overturn the industrial action. Seems they are worried the special convention won't go their way!


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    #2039
    deiseindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    dory wrote: »
    But they're better than TUI for fighting for teachers' rights.
    Be careful of setting really low benchmarks though.


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    #2040
    judeboy101
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    Icsics wrote: »
    I agree, Ed Byrne is a strong leader but impeded by internal politics. The people who called for & got the special convention are now looking for a special SC to overturn the industrial action. Seems they are worried the special convention won't go their way!

    Would it be possible to get signatures at a special convention to have a special convention to remove to clause to allow 800 signatures for a special convention?


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    #2041
    acequion
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    deiseindublin wrote: »
    Be careful of setting really low benchmarks though.

    True,but it is so hard when being constantly undermined by our own members such as these people who want this convention. They are holding up the TUI as a beacon of sterling trade unionism and portraying their own as a bunch of rabble rousers. It is so frustrating and all we've been doing these past months is fighting their constant coup attempts. We may actually have made some progress in our campaigns if all our energies weren't constantly diverted into this. And 80K is huge money! But do they care!

    Fair play to all those going. It is so vital to have fair minded people at that convention.


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