Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

DM_7 · 07-01-2017 5:41pm

Hull could be interesting mid week. Centre Backs are Huddlestone and Livermore as Dawson went off injured. Meyler is already at full back.

brinty · 07-01-2017 5:43pm

Headshot wrote:

You look back now and see 50m pus was brilliant business, what a talent

And to think so many said who is he and its a waste of money

caviardreams · 07-01-2017 6:06pm

DM_7 wrote: »

Thats not really true, well unless you only want him to do sprints a few hours apart.

OK then. Ronaldo, Bale, Valencia etc. We're not talking about him becoming a powerlifter or anything - but could only see a bit of added strength as an asset especially when the sports performance team will make sure he concentrates on stuff that won't impact his game negatively.

He's already something special just as he is though - love Rashford

Sand · 07-01-2017 6:20pm

brinty wrote: »

And to think so many said who is he and its a waste of money

In fairness, most fans don't have the knowledge or experience of professional scouts/managers. He had transferred in for 5 million only 2 seasons before and scored 10-15 goals over two seasons in Ligue 1 and didnt have a single senior appearance for France. You'd really need to be some sort of footballing rainman to have indepth knowledge of who he was and be confident 50 million was good business. Or the United scouts/management team.

IamtheWalrus · 07-01-2017 6:20pm

Headshot wrote: »

You look back now and see 50m pus was brilliant business, what a talent

It was hardly a steal.. He has potential but isn't a 50m footballer yet. So in that respect, 50m was a crazy price. Established performers were going for that money.

EDIT: It was 36, rising to 58. That makes it better value. But still, pricey enough.

DM_7 · 07-01-2017 6:20pm

caviardreams wrote: »

OK then. Ronaldo, Bale, Valencia etc. We're not talking about him becoming a powerlifter or anything - but could only see a bit of added strength as an asset especially when the sports performance team will make sure he concentrates on stuff that won't impact his game negatively.

He's already something special just as he is though - love Rashford

Oh right, yes they are suitable examples alright.

Liam McPoyle · 07-01-2017 6:39pm

How'd we play today folks?

Havnt seen any highlights yet.

Delighted to see Rashers and Tony getting on the score sheet.

Did Basti get a run?

Similar result midweek would be super, rest some of the main men for the Scouse.

Dwarf.Shortage · 07-01-2017 6:40pm

caviardreams wrote: »

OK then. Ronaldo, Bale, Valencia etc. We're not talking about him becoming a powerlifter or anything - but could only see a bit of added strength as an asset especially when the sports performance team will make sure he concentrates on stuff that won't impact his game negatively.

He's already something special just as he is though - love Rashford

Bale got leaner not bulkier. He's naturally built much more robustly than Rashford and he looks like a monster now because he's got a naturally impressive frame and he's got his body fat down to a couple of percent.

Rashford is naturally skinny and cannot do the above, he hasn't got the frame for it. None of this is a problem like Messi has never bulked up and it hasn't held him back but the idea of Rashford "bulking up" to an Aguero type physique is asking a lot.

He's your prototypical hard gainer build and he's going to find it extremely hard to put any appreciable size on in a weights room.

The only caveat is he's only 19 so he might "fill out" naturally but I don't see him ever being a player noted for his strength.

caviardreams · 07-01-2017 6:45pm

I completely agree with you that I don't think he'll ever be a player noted for his strength, but that's not to say he can't get stronger than he is.

Dwarf.Shortage · 07-01-2017 6:49pm

caviardreams wrote: »

I completely agree with you that I don't think he'll ever be a player noted for his strength, but that's not to say he can't get stronger than he is.

Well then in a stunning turn of events it appears two strangers on the internet have reached an agreement.

Jayop · 07-01-2017 7:08pm

Arsenal blessed here not to be a few down. Defending just terribly.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 07-01-2017 7:29pm

Jayop wrote: »

Arsenal blessed here not to be a few down. Defending just terribly.

Pretty bad alright. Maybe they fancy concentrating on the league this year.

Jayop · 07-01-2017 7:33pm

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Pretty bad alright. Maybe they fancy concentrating on the league this year.

You'd still expect them to win bit surely they should be targeting the cup now as a path to a trophy. No shame in winning the cup and ending in the top 4 if they can manage that.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 07-01-2017 7:41pm

Jayop wrote: »

You'd still expect them to win bit surely they should be targeting the cup now as a path to a trophy. No shame in winning the cup and ending in the top 4 if they can manage that.

Absolutely. PNE probably live to regret those missed chances.

GSPfan · 07-01-2017 7:49pm

Just watched a short program on Sky called Gary Neville: Sporting Triumphs. Its Gary talking about the 99 season. Think its about ten minutes long but between the Arsenal Semi-Final replay and the Champions League Final I reckon they are my two best memories in my years of supporting United. I nearly cry when Sheringham scores, and the Solskjaer goal just makes me smile like a fool. The save from Schmeichel from the Bergkamp peno in the Semi Final also just brings me back to that night and the unreal emotional rollercoaster of that game. Great memories.

beno619 · 07-01-2017 7:51pm

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

Rashford is naturally skinny and cannot do the above, he hasn't got the frame for it. None of this is a problem like Messi has never bulked up and it hasn't held him back but the idea of Rashford "bulking up" to an Aguero type physique is asking a lot.

He's your prototypical hard gainer build and he's going to find it extremely hard to put any appreciable size on in a weights room.

The only caveat is he's only 19 so he might "fill out" naturally but I don't see him ever being a player noted for his strength.

Couldn't disagree more, he's already gotten noticeably bigger since his debut.

To call a spade a spade he's black so genetically will bulk up easily. I'd look at Welbeck transformation in the space of 3 years.

FixitFelix · 07-01-2017 7:52pm

Jayop wrote: »

You'd still expect them to win bit surely they should be targeting the cup now as a path to a trophy. No shame in winning the cup and ending in the top 4 if they can manage that.

Says the Utd fan from your lofty position

TheDoc · 07-01-2017 7:54pm

Thought today's game was pretty "meh". Really thought Reading would make a game of it. Wont have an easier game this season.

Obviously pleased overall. Martial looked lethal first half but then did "his thing" just disappeared. Gets knocked off the ball bit too easy. All things to hopefully address as he grows up but that first half was lethal from him. Just need it more consistently.

Rojos injury a big concern. Testament to him and Mourinhos coaching that he's now an important player. Hopefully nothing serious.

Schweinsteigers cryuff turn and pass to Rooney was the only thing that got out of the slouched position today. It's so frustrating , like Zlatan, when players you admire for so long come to your club so late in the day.

Anyway comfortable a win as they come and the streak continues. Hopefully full steam ahead to clatter Liverpool when they turn up

TheDoc · 07-01-2017 7:58pm

GSPfan wrote: »

Just watched a short program on Sky called Gary Neville: Sporting Triumphs. Its Gary talking about the 99 season. Think its about ten minutes long but between the Arsenal Semi-Final replay and the Champions League Final I reckon they are my two best memories in my years of supporting United. I nearly cry when Sheringham scores, and the Solskjaer goal just makes me smile like a fool. The save from Schmeichel from the Bergkamp peno in the Semi Final also just brings me back to that night and the unreal emotional rollercoaster of that game. Great memories.

I remember the 99 final and proper going mental but I was 11 at the time. Hadn't really grasped football and wasn't coherent about it.

The final in Rome is my "big"memory. Was living in the canaries, only United fan in a packed English bar of Chelsea fans. Was absolutely poisoned and in bits at the end and they all just embraced me and we had a rip roaring session.

Gas how different ages and generations views our stuff differently. Like for me, Arsenal was always the big rival. As I got older I understood the Liverpool rivalry. But they'd been mostly ****e for my coherent football life. Arsenal was the big rivalry I deemed important haha

And because of that nostalgia, I seem to always be more invested and emotional when we play Arsenal

GSPfan · 07-01-2017 8:07pm

Is it wrong to be routing for all the teams above us in the cup games just so they have more games to play?

Korat · 07-01-2017 8:15pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

Says the Utd fan from your lofty position

The position of currently holding a trophy?

jayo26 · 07-01-2017 8:20pm

TheDoc wrote: »

I remember the 99 final and proper going mental but I was 11 at the time. Hadn't really grasped football and wasn't coherent about it.

The final in Rome is my "big"memory. Was living in the canaries, only United fan in a packed English bar of Chelsea fans. Was absolutely poisoned and in bits at the end and they all just embraced me and we had a rip roaring session.

Gas how different ages and generations views our stuff differently. Like for me, Arsenal was always the big rival. As I got older I understood the Liverpool rivalry. But they'd been mostly ****e for my coherent football life. Arsenal was the big rivalry I deemed important haha

And because of that nostalgia, I seem to always be more invested and emotional when we play Arsenal

I dont want to be the pedantic one because I enjoyed your post but

It was Moscow

jayo26 · 07-01-2017 8:20pm

GSPfan wrote: »

Is it wrong to be routing for all the teams above us in the cup games just so they have more games to play?

Im just wishing for draws all the way

GSPfan · 07-01-2017 8:22pm

jayo26 wrote: »

Im just wishing for draws all the way

Did Giroud score the second you posted that?!

FixitFelix · 07-01-2017 8:22pm

Korat wrote: »

The position of currently holding a trophy?

A trophy that wasn't worth winning when Arsenal won it? Oh how the tune has changed

jayo26 · 07-01-2017 8:23pm

GSPfan wrote: »

Did Giroud score the second you posted that?!

Dwarf.Shortage · 07-01-2017 8:24pm

beno619 wrote: »

Couldn't disagree more, he's already gotten noticeably bigger since his debut.

To call a spade a spade he's black so genetically will bulk up easily. I'd look at Welbeck transformation in the space of 3 years.

Because Danny Welbeck is a marvellous example of a player who displayed potential as a teenager and went on to develop physically and become a mainstay in the United frontline.

If Rashford goes on to emulate Welbeck I'll be fairly disappointed to be honest.

GSPfan · 07-01-2017 8:26pm

jayo26 wrote: »

Bold jayo.

Draw is best, a win will do. Are Arsenal on tv a lot lately? Feel like Ive seen more games with them than every other team combined.

Dwarf.Shortage · 07-01-2017 8:27pm

Giroud would sicken you, he's doing more bailing out than the Irish taxpayer this season and it's twice as bad because one of them was against us in a game we were all over like a rash.

Jayop · 07-01-2017 8:28pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

Says the Utd fan from your lofty position

How you could possibly be Butt hurt by something as innocuous as that us beyond me. Are you going to win the league? No. So how is me saying top 4 and an FA cup would be a good return for you from here possibly be offensive.

Some people really do trigger far to easily.

jayo26 · 07-01-2017 8:29pm

Ahh lads ye are having an argument about bulking up for crikey sake. When I said it I ment build up his strenght a bit if you want to go by an example then look at ronaldo the difference to him now then when he made his debut for us against Bolton.... Rashford won't bulk up that much but he can gain muscle and strength without slowing down.

Messi is a different player he don't rely on outright pace he is a out and out dribbler mostly but rashford will be a bit bigger in a few years.

Jayop · 07-01-2017 8:29pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

A trophy that wasn't worth winning when Arsenal won it? Oh how the tune has changed

You really do just make up the insults that you want to hear when none are being said. Wise up sir.

jayo26 · 07-01-2017 8:30pm

GSPfan wrote: »

Bold jayo.

Draw is best, a win will do. Are Arsenal on tv a lot lately? Feel like Ive seen more games with them than every other team combined.

I donno but iwobi looks like Danny Wellbecks love child.

Korat · 07-01-2017 8:34pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

A trophy that wasn't worth winning when Arsenal won it? Oh how the tune has changed

It meant so much to us we sacked the manager for winning it.

You don't win 20 titles if you can be content with second rate prizes.

FixitFelix · 07-01-2017 8:39pm

Jayop wrote: »

You really do just make up the insults that you want to hear when none are being said. Wise up sir.

Get back in that pond jayop:)

Jayop · 07-01-2017 8:42pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

Get back in that pond jayop:)

Put it like this, if United won the cup and got into top 4 I'd be happy enough given where we are.

FixitFelix · 07-01-2017 8:44pm

Jayop wrote: »

Put it like this, if United won the cup and got into top 4 I'd be happy enough given where we are.

Finally a bit of honesty from a Utd fan, not the usual dross I've been listening to

jayo26 · 07-01-2017 8:44pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

Get back in that pond jayop:)

You ok Felix? Ya seem to be looking for attention due to ya need a hug?

Jayop was making a decent assessment he made no remarks or anything negatively about arsenal it was a simple comment the same as it wouldn't be a bad season for us this year to win the cup and finish in top four? How is that a remark to make you go swinging handbags?

beno619 · 07-01-2017 8:46pm

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

Because Danny Welbeck is a marvellous example of a player who displayed potential as a teenager and went on to develop physically and become a mainstay in the United frontline.

If Rashford goes on to emulate Welbeck I'll be fairly disappointed to be honest.

Well that's a lovely strawman.

Nalz · 07-01-2017 8:46pm

yabadabado wrote: »

Stoke no way deserve to be in that list of teams.picking the 2 best championship teams against the worst EPL teams doesn't show the full picture.There is a big gap between Championship and EPL in a one off game and EPL resting players you get an odd upset but not many.

Few upsets today. Stoke fielded a strong team but I think they were unlucky.

FixitFelix · 07-01-2017 8:47pm

jayo26 wrote: »

You ok Felix? Ya seem to be looking for attention due to ya need a hug?

Jayop was making a decent assessment he made no remarks or anything negatively about arsenal it was a simple comment the same as it wouldn't be a bad season for us this year to win the cup and finish in top four? How is that a remark to make you go swinging handbags?

He wasn't making the comment about Utd he was saying what Arsenal should be happy with, which is fairly condescending.

jayo26 · 07-01-2017 8:52pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

He wasn't making the comment about Utd he was saying what Arsenal should be happy with, which is fairly condescending.

It is if you take it that way... If he said it at start of the season it would be condescending but he is saying it halfway threw and looking at arsenal throwing away points of late and Chelsea looking so strong its fairly obvious ye are not going to win the league..

yabadabado · 07-01-2017 8:54pm

Nalz wrote: »

Few upsets today. Stoke fielded a strong team but I think they were unlucky.

Knew well that post would come back to bite me

yabadabado · 07-01-2017 8:55pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

He wasn't making the comment about Utd he was saying what Arsenal should be happy with, which is fairly condescending.

You know there is the Arsenal thread if you are finding it diffulicult here.
Looking for something to complain about ffs.

Alf Veedersane · 07-01-2017 8:56pm

GSPfan wrote: »

Just watched a short program on Sky called Gary Neville: Sporting Triumphs. Its Gary talking about the 99 season. Think its about ten minutes long but between the Arsenal Semi-Final replay and the Champions League Final I reckon they are my two best memories in my years of supporting United. I nearly cry when Sheringham scores, and the Solskjaer goal just makes me smile like a fool. The save from Schmeichel from the Bergkamp peno in the Semi Final also just brings me back to that night and the unreal emotional rollercoaster of that game. Great memories.

I think the Juve match sticks out hugely for me. The despair when they went 2-0 up. I managed to send a mug across the room. Then the elation when Cole makes it 3.

The Arsenal match was similar in a way. Keano getting sent off was a big blow...then they get a penalty. At that point it was over. Then Schmikes saves and Giggsy does the rest.

Actually...now I think of it, in all three matches, there was that horrible feeling we were done...only to win.

Unbelievable Jeff. Have enjoyed reliving that in my head tbh

FixitFelix · 07-01-2017 8:59pm

yabadabado wrote: »

You know there is the Arsenal thread if you are finding it diffulicult here.
Looking for something to complain about ffs.

Thanks chicken

Jayop · 07-01-2017 9:11pm

FixitFelix wrote: »

Thanks chicken

Taking umbrage at what I said does make you look like a bit of a snowflake. Giving. A genuine assessment of where you are now and what at this stage would in my opinion represent a decent end of the season for you shouldn't be automatically seen as a jibe. I'm sure almost all United fans would take top four and the cup if offered right now.