Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Pro. F

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its nothing to do with Jose. Some people seem to think Martial was great last year but in actual fact he started well but had a pretty poor second half of the season. There were flashes and goals here and there, but in general his form really tailed off, he just had goodwill built up that allowed him to escape much criticism. And thats not hindsight, I posted as much on here previously.

Martial has been poor for quite a while now stretching back to before Mourinho's arrival, just look at his play in the Euros for further evidence of that. Its not the managers fault, he needs to sort himself out.

He's a striker playing on the wing. You are being ridiculously harsh.

Minderbinder

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Minderbinder wrote: »

You're talking rubbish. There's no point learning from a striker if you're being played in a different position every week. Fair enough if Rashford is coming off the bench to replace Zlatan but every game he plays as a wide man, he will regress in terms of being a striker and is less likely to fulfill his potential. I think misusing him has already had a negative impact on his confidence and will continue to do so. Would we be worse off with Rashford playing as striker if we didn't sign Zlatan - I doubt it to be honest. I think Rashford linked up brilliantly last year with Mata and Lingard and Zlatan has been hugely disappointing in that department.

If Zlatan is more of a coach next year rather than a guaranteed starter then his staying around might be beneficial. But Mourinho has already proven he doesn't have the balls to even substitute Zlatan, let alone drop him.

Nicely put, I wasn't going to reply as I seem to just get sarky replies but I would've been happy to have nailed it like you just did. Especially the point of being shunted around positions will not help Rashford, it's just short termism at its best this Zlatan business unless they have somebody else lined up and if they do then Rashford will be no happier.

Yes, well Rashford is a natural striker. the suggestion that spending two years of his development having no meaningful time in his natural position will be a benefit to him is mind boggling to be honest.

Minderbinder

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Minderbinder wrote: »

You're talking rubbish. There's no point learning from a striker if you're being played in a different position every week. Fair enough if Rashford is coming off the bench to replace Zlatan but every game he plays as a wide man, he will regress in terms of being a striker and is less likely to fulfill his potential. I think misusing him has already had a negative impact on his confidence and will continue to do so. Would we be worse off with Rashford playing as striker if we didn't sign Zlatan - I doubt it to be honest. I think Rashford linked up brilliantly last year with Mata and Lingard and Zlatan has been hugely disappointing in that department.

If Zlatan is more of a coach next year rather than a guaranteed starter then his staying around might be beneficial. But Mourinho has already proven he doesn't have the balls to even substitute Zlatan, let alone drop him.

Wrong & Wrong

Oh **** off. Zlatan has not been any better linking up the play than Rashford was last year in his first few games as a professional. He has done a few sublime things in build up play but not nearly often enough.

How many of the games he has started has he been substituted? Obviously there is always going to be one pedantic arsehole but it is obvious that Mourinho is unwilling to bruise Zlatan's ego.

Minderbinder

Minderbinder wrote: »

Oh **** off. Zlatan has not been any better linking up the play than Rashford was last year in his first few games as a professional. He has done a few sublime things in build up play but not nearly often enough.

How many of the games he has started has he been substituted? Obviously there is always going to be one pedantic arsehole but it is obvious that Mourinho is unwilling to bruise Zlatan's ego.

Please go back and watch the Burnley game and the Man City game as recent examples
And no I wont **** off just because you are wrong
Also, Jose did substitute Zlatan, so yea wrong again

gosplan

Pro. F wrote: »

He's a striker playing on the wing. You are being ridiculously harsh.

This was kind of my point.

Jose won't go 2 up top and won't play Martial on his own up front.

So he's on the wing but he's not a good fit there.

This is the thing about Jose bringing young talent through. It's not that he doesn't but he doesn't accommodate players in any way.

Pro. F

gosplan wrote: »

This was kind of my point.

Jose won't go 2 up top and won't play Martial on his own up front.

So he's on the wing but he's not a good fit there.

This is the thing about Jose bringing young talent through. It's not that he doesn't but he doesn't accommodate players in any way.

It's weird to me that Jose hasn't tried Martial as a CF (unless I'm forgetting some game). Martial has shown last season that he has the strength and aptitude for it. Even stranger that Jose has given Rashford a shot at CF, when he doesn't seem suited to the target man type of work that Jose likes from his CFs.

sReq | uTeK

Lucas Hood wrote: »

He'll have to do his talking with his feet so. Didn't do much with his chance on the weekend.

You watched the same game I did? He was extremely positive. Took on his man everytime and nearly beat him. Had a frightening ball whipped across the box. Chased tirelessly all game and pressed as much as he could...but sure **** it he didn't score so he's ****

sReq | uTeK

Minderbinder wrote: »

Yes, well Rashford is a natural striker. the suggestion that spending two years of his development having no meaningful time in his natural position will be a benefit to him is mind boggling to be honest.

Didn't work out badly for Henry when he came off the wing and moved up front. Cristiano seems to be doing alright for Madrid up front these days with Bale playing from the left....

What's my point you ask...well simply put you have no idea how Rashford will develop. He could well go backwards as a result of deployment on the wing but he also may well go the other way.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that he was deployed on the wing a lot for the reserves also.

bucketybuck

gosplan wrote: »

So he's on the wing but he's not a good fit there.

He played fine there when he first arrived, his performance drop hasn't occurred due to being moved from a striker to a winger, he has generally always been in a wider role for us and so my point still stands.

Would it be better for him to play as a striker? Perhaps, but that doesn't excuse him playing worse now in his selected position than he did this time last year.

bucketybuck

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Didn't work out badly for Henry when he came off the wing and moved up front. Cristiano seems to be doing alright for Madrid up front these days with Bale playing from the left....

Counterpoint, Danny Wellbeck.

https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/801440186047627264

Trigger

M!Ck^ wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/801440186047627264

When the team sheet is released and Mkhi isn't even on the bench

Kerrydude1981

Today is Mickey Ryan day

Hon Tipp

jayo26

Any predictions for tonight im thinking 3 nil win Zlatan two and mikitryan impressing with a goal.

Ahh dreams....

Pro. F

bucketybuck wrote: »

He played fine there when he first arrived, his performance drop hasn't occurred due to being moved from a striker to a winger, he has generally always been in a wider role for us and so my point still stands.

Not true. In the first half of last season (up to the end of December) he played 8 out of 14 league games and 5 of 6 CL games as a striker, central. In the second half of that season, when you say his form dropped, he played out wide in 15 of 16 league games and 6 of 7 FA Cup games. link

bucketybuck

Pro. F wrote: »

Not true.

Yes it is.

Pro. F

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yes it is.

So 13 out of 20 games (PL & CL) playing centrally is "generally always" being in a wider role in your opinion. Yep, sound logic.

bucketybuck

Pro. F wrote: »

So 13 out of 20 games (PL & CL) playing centrally is "generally always" being in a wider role in your opinion. Yep, sound logic.

Did you not watch the games?

Pro. F

bucketybuck wrote: »

Did you not watch the games?

Yes I did. Did you not see him playing as a central striker for us in those games?

J. Marston

Gerrard has retired. Even though he was the captain of our biggest rivals, you can't deny he was a magnificent player. Have to respect that. No need for any jokes.


















Well, maybe one joke. Slippity doo dah, slippin' all day, Stevie went and threw it away!

Cantona's Collars

I see Trump has used a picture of Andy Cole holding a United USA scarf in his thanksgiving video.I don't think he even knows the context of the picture but thought,"hey that looks cool,stick that in".

brinty

zerks wrote:

I see Trump has used a picture of Andy Cole holding a United USA scarf in his thanksgiving video.I don't think he even knows the context of the picture but thought,"hey that looks cool,stick that in".

Zerks with breaking news
I love it

Cantona's Collars

brinty wrote: »

Zerks with breaking news
I love it

The photo he used is old..............My news is new:P:P

Cantona's Collars

J. Marston wrote: »

Gerrard has retired. Even though he was the captain of our biggest rivals, you can't deny he was a magnificent player. Have to respect that. No need for any jokes.

















Well, maybe one joke. Slippity doo dah, slippin' all day, Stevie went and threw it away!

https://twitter.com/ynfafootball/status/801758859249467392

J. Marston

J. Marston wrote: »

Gerrard has retired. Even though he was the captain of our biggest rivals, you can't deny he was a magnificent player. Have to respect that. No need for any jokes.


















Well, maybe one joke. Slippity doo dah, slippin' all day, Stevie went and threw it away!

Never forget

Flint Fredstone

Shooing the camera away after what he did at Old Trafford... I remember that giving me a warm feeling in my belly.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Yeve cheered me up no end lads.... most likely till we we lose tonight but still nice to have a smile on my face for a few hours

Bret Hart

Steve Gerrard, Gerrard. He slipped on his f*cking arse. He gave it to Demba Ba. Steve Gerrard, Gerrard.

Liam McPoyle

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Kerrydude1981

Really setting ourselves up for a slip up tonight now lads

jayo26

Two nice pages to read for a change

bucketybuck

Pro. F wrote: »

Yes I did. Did you not see him playing as a central striker for us in those games?

Yep, thats what I thought, as usual you seem to be watching something different to the rest of us.

On a different note, I'm not much into willy waving with Liverpool fans but that whole episode of Gerrard giving his "don't slip" speech followed by him literally slipping is really just delicious.

Cantona's Collars

jayo26 wrote: »

Two nice pages to read for a change

bucketybuck

Its a small thing, but I always think of Heinze having spent more time at the club and achieving more than he actually did.

crkball6

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its a small thing, but I always think of Heinze having spent more time at the club and achieving more than he actually did.

If we had 11 of him we'd be top of the league. :cool:

Flint Fredstone

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yep, thats what I thought, as usual you seem to be watching something different to the rest of us.

On a different note, I'm not much into willy waving with Liverpool fans but that whole episode of Gerrard giving his "don't slip" speech followed by him literally slipping is really just delicious.

Ah buckety, come on and wave your willy with us.

Jayop

Was Mike Phelan still playing in 93? I didn't know he had a premier league medal.

Jayop

Jayop wrote: »

Was Mike Phelan still playing in 93? I didn't know he had a premier league medal.

Yes, he got a winners medal in 93 but didnt get enough games to earn a medal the next season!

Cantona's Collars

Phil Collins comes out of retirement the year Stevie G retires.

Cantona's Collars

Jayop wrote: »

Was Mike Phelan still playing in 93? I didn't know he had a premier league medal.

He never actually retired, why do you think he always wore shorts in the dugout...."just in case,just in case".

Bleating Lamb

Delighted to hear Mickey Ryan might be starting tonight.

Pro. F

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yep, thats what I thought, as usual you seem to be watching something different to the rest of us.

First you write an outright lie and now you try to turn the conversation towards ad hominem. You were wrong to claim that Martial has generally always been in a wider role for us - in fact, he played over half his games for us up to the end of December 2015 as a striker.

Here's the games where Martial played as a striker, centrally for United in that period:

PL:
Southampton away
Sunderland home
Arsenal away
WBA home
Leicester away
West Ham home
Bournemouth away
Stoke away

CL:
PSV away
Wolfsburg home
CSKA home
PSV home
Wolfsburg away

That's 13 out of the 20 games he played in those competitions in that period.

You can pretend that Martial wasn't playing centrally as a striker in those games when he clearly was. You can pretend that everybody agrees with you. It just shows that your argument is based nonsense.

jayo26

An old one but a good one for the day thats in it

upload imagem

Trigger

Fener win so if we lose tonight we are out.. team news should be released about 6.45 tonight. Usually bout 1hr 15 mins before the European matches

ElChe32

Finally Jose is whipping the Mickey out.

Trigger

MICKEYYYY

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/801860712649859072

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/801860889561497600

Rooney on the left or Micky?

Blind and Jones , brains and fearlessness could be a could combo

Trigger

Deleted User wrote: »

Rooney on the left or Micky?

Looks like Rooney is the one in the hole.

jayo26

astradave wrote: »

Looks like Rooney is the one in the hole.

Id put Miki in the hole


Sorry guys