Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

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wanderer100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/telegraphducker/status/814077835539349504


Really would be ridiculous to let him leave in January. It seems he is starting to fade away from the first team a bit but he definitely has the quality and potential to become a world class winger. Plus he's only 21 years old!!! Didn't realise till now that Lingard was 24 years old

Shouldnt be letting him go full stop.

A brilliant talent

beno619

beno619 wrote: »

He worked there at the start of the season when he was our best player.

It would put a bigger emphasis on Herrera to dictate the play.

This is a fair argument. It worked to an extent against weaker opposition.
Boro would be ideal in that case.

IamtheWalrus

No way Jose would sell him. A loan might be a good idea if he's mot going to play much.

Rayne Wooney

Didn't Martial's agent start mouthing off to the press about the jersey switch?

I'm sure Mourinho has no time for him, Martial isn't going anywhere.

RobertKK

Martial will get plenty of game time, the only difference is we are not as dependent on him as last year, which is no bad thing.

Robson99

beno619 wrote: »

He worked there at the start of the season when he was our best player.

It would put a bigger emphasis on Herrera to dictate the play.

If he is resting Carrick then Herrera would drop back and Mata or Rooney would come in. Fellani is not a holding mid fielder in any shape or form imo

bangkok

martial is class, one of the best young players in world football, no chance he would have been allowed to leave on loan

adox

Robson99 wrote: »

If he is resting Carrick then Herrera would drop back and Mata or Rooney would come in. Fellani is not a holding mid fielder in any shape or form imo

But he was for half a dozen games or so earlier in the season and played the position very well. I wouldn't trust Herrera enough to play that position.

I still think a specialist player will be brought in for that position, either next month or in the summer.

KH25

Leroy42 wrote: »

Why would we need someone to replace Morgan?

Squad depth and options. Carrick, pogba and Herrera can't play every game. There's only really TFM and Fellaini left (excluding Morgan and assuming Basti will leave or not get much game time).

RobertKK

Ana Ivanovic is making an announcement later today, speculation is she will announce she is pregnant.
'What?' says you- she is married to Bastian.

duffman13

Mkhitaryan has a way to go yet

Leroy42

KH25 wrote: »

Squad depth and options. Carrick, pogba and Herrera can't play every game. There's only really TFM and Fellaini left (excluding Morgan and assuming Basti will leave or not get much game time).

Yes, but that is not replacing Morgan is it? Morgan is not currently adding anything to the squad. I was being pedantic.

Selling Morgan leaves us in the exact same position as if we didn't sell him, save for the cash inflow and the savings on wages.

Trigger

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/814093808237416448

LindelOFF?

SemedON?

GSPfan

astradave wrote: »

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/814093808237416448

LindelOFF?

SemedON?

Watch when Carrick is playing at Centre Half in February when Rojo is suspended and Jones And Smalling are injured. Hopefully its still on and its just the usual twitter chatter.

wanderer100

https://twitter.com/bbcsport/status/814092977295491072

GSPfan

I think Martial wants out. The shirt number thing obviously annoyed him and he looks a bit uninterested to me. However, he signed a contract and he can shut up and get on with it or sit on the bench if he wants to start talking through his agent.

In saying that, I reckon the only way we sell him is if we are getting mega money for him and it suits Jose to have him gone. Id like to see him stay and become the superstar he can be.

J. Marston

wanderer100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bbcsport/status/814092977295491072

That went from on to off very quickly.

I didn't even know who he was last week but I blame Woodward for costing us this world-class talent.

Leroy42

If his form is as flaky as to be open to shirt numbers then he won't be the superstar we hope.

He should be told that when he starts to produce the shirt number is there for him, Zlatan has proven it (and lived up to it) so Martial can have little complaints. Something like that would drive the truly great onwards to prove the doubters wrong. 'That is my shirt and when Zlatan moves off there will be only one person the club will want, nay beg, to take it.'

That should be his attitude. Anything less and no matter what his talent he won't end up as we hope

If that is the attitude that Jose is seeing on the training pitch (and I have no idea either way) then he may well be on the way out. Jose has little time for those, no matter how talented, that don't get with his program,

StringerBell

Jose has spoken complimentary of Martial, his attitude, his professionalism, his potential.

Papers don't refuse ink, we have been here before.

Its no big problem to not be as reliant on Martial this season, preferable in fact to allow him to continue his development without so much pressure on his shoulders.

Robson99

adox wrote: »

But he was for half a dozen games or so earlier in the season and played the position very well. I wouldn't trust Herrera enough to play that position.

I still think a specialist player will be brought in for that position, either next month or in the summer.

Herrera is a much better tackler and distributor of the ball fr that position. Fellani was so so in those first 6 games and signs by he is well done the pecking order now. If we gave to revert to playing him then its a step backwards IMO. He not playing is one of the reasons firm and play has improved
Would like to see fou mensah get a chance there before we go buying anyone

Kerrydude1981

Utd have a great history with Benfica players and on and off transfers rumours

Liam O

Robson99 wrote: »

Herrera is a much better tackler and distributor of the ball fr that position. Fellani was so so in those first 6 games and signs by he is well done the pecking order now. If we gave to revert to playing him then its a step backwards IMO. He not playing is one of the reasons firm and play has improved
Would like to see fou mensah get a chance there before we go buying anyone

Herrera is not nearly a better tackler than Fellaini. He's improved in the last couple of games but the ball tends to pass him by a lot when the opposition are on top.

Some people's dislike of Fellaini really blinds them. Herrera a "much better tackler"? Come on ffs.

GSPfan

It'd be cool if United could buy someone in January. If the Lindelof deal is off then so be it. Not really bothered either way if Jose isn't.

Getting a right back or a future Carrick replacement would be great as that seems like areas we can improve on.

jayo26

Me never wanted him anyway

Trigger

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Utd have a great history with Benfica players and on and off transfers rumours

Never Forget

Trigger

In fairness it could be that we have prioritised a right back instead and with Benfica apparently refusing to sell us both Lindelof and Semedo in the one window, maybe we have decided to bring in Semedo now and leave Lindelof till the Summer

duffman13

Most likely scenario in my mind is United won't meet Benficas terms, its a lot of money and if we are after the right back aswell then you can't be a soft touch

PhlegmyMoses

Liam O wrote: »

Herrera is not nearly a better tackler than Fellaini. He's improved in the last couple of games but the ball tends to pass him by a lot when the opposition are on top.

Some people's dislike of Fellaini really blinds them. Herrera a "much better tackler"? Come on ffs.

Couldn't disagree with you more tbh. Herrera has a comfortably better tackling average than Fellaini, the highest number of interceptions for a midfielder in the league, gets fewer cards and commits fewer fouls on average. All of this suggests that Herrera is better defensively.

In fact, the stats suggest that the ball tends to pass Fellaini by far more often and my own opinion is that Fellaini struggles far more against a midfield that moves the ball around quickly due to his lack of mobility.

For me, Fellaini will always be a number 10 and that he is not what we should be aiming for in the centre of our midfield.

Robson99

Liam O wrote: »

Herrera is not nearly a better tackler than Fellaini. He's improved in the last couple of games but the ball tends to pass him by a lot when the opposition are on top.

Some people's dislike of Fellaini really blinds them. Herrera a "much better tackler"? Come on ffs.

Its not a dislike of fellani!!!! Its called calling it as I see it. Fellani is actually a poor tackler

newballsplease

If you need to rest Carrick for Borough game and looking for replacement...surely Bastian Schweinstieger would be a perfect one to slot in.
Would love to see him start

RobertKK

Schweinsteiger's wife has retired from tennis at the grand old age of 29.

Cantona's Collars

No mention here yet of Evra leaving Juve in January? Of course the red tops have jumped on it with "Evra's sensational Prem return".

Liam O

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Couldn't disagree with you more tbh. Herrera has a comfortably better tackling average than Fellaini, the highest number of interceptions for a midfielder in the league, gets fewer cards and commits fewer fouls on average. All of this suggests that Herrera is better defensively.

In fact, the stats suggest that the ball tends to pass Fellaini by far more often and my own opinion is that Fellaini struggles far more against a midfield that moves the ball around quickly due to his lack of mobility.

For me, Fellaini will always be a number 10 and that he is not what we should be aiming for in the centre of our midfield.

Fellaini is a more active player and presses better. Committing fewer fouls is probably a mark against Herrera because it indicates that he allows the opposition to play around him. Fellaini will get in the opposition's face and force them to play quickly which leads to mistakes. It generally takes a few fouls for him to get booked and then he steps off very well.

Herrera should only be playing box to box and not as the deep midfielder imo. Fellaini is more capable of providing the structure needed in the position imo. Herrera has been very impressive at moving the ball this season but in a defensive sense is often out of central positions when the opposition have won the ball which means he's not in a position to effect the game in a defensive sense. Not a problem when Carrick or Fellaini are behind him but a big problem when it's only the CBs.

Robson99

Liam O wrote: »

Fellaini is a more active player and presses better. Committing fewer fouls is probably a mark against Herrera because it indicates that he allows the opposition to play around him. Fellaini will get in the opposition's face and force them to play quickly which leads to mistakes. It generally takes a few fouls for him to get booked and then he steps off very well.
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Cant believe that you think Fellani is a more active player and presses better than Herrera. Herrera is our best player at pressing and raising the tempo of the game
And if thats the best logic you can come up with for Fellani continuously fouling then I give up

beno619

Robson99 wrote: »

Herrera is a much better tackler and distributor of the ball fr that position. Fellani was so so in those first 6 games and signs by he is well done the pecking order now. If we gave to revert to playing him then its a step backwards IMO. He not playing is one of the reasons firm and play has improved
Would like to see fou mensah get a chance there before we go buying anyone

Revisionism at it finest right there.

Best player for us in most of those matches.

I wouldn't be sure Herrera is a better tackler of the ball either.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

beno619 wrote: »

Revisionism at it finest right there.

Best player for us in most of those matches.

I wouldn't be sure Herrera is a better tackler of the ball either.

Fellaini is a woeful tackler. Most of the time he gives away free kicks and slows down the play.

Robson99

beno619 wrote: »

Revisionism at it finest right there.

Best player for us in most of those matches.

I wouldn't be sure Herrera is a better tackler of the ball either.

Murhino obviously thinks the opposite to you.
If you re not sure if Herrera is a better tackler I suggest you watch some of our games

beno619

Robson99 wrote: »

Murhino obviously thinks the opposite to you.
If you re not sure if Herrera is a better tackler I suggest you watch some of our games

Herrera has a touch of Scholes about him when tackling, he been better in recent weeks but I think Fellaini has shown he's better when played in the dm position.

Fellaini's fouls are highlighted because he is who he his.

You've made your thoughts on him clear so I don't believe you can give an unbiased assessment. To say he was so so at the start of the season is just flat out wrong.

Flint Fredstone

Without looking it up I wouldn't imagine there to be much difference in the fouls per game stats for both players.

I could be way off the mark but I would put Herrera down as someone who fouls a lot.

Rossi IRL

Wouldnt mind Evra as a backup left back. Shaw could learn a thing or 2 from him aswell.

limnam

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Without looking it up I wouldn't imagine there to be much difference in the fouls per game stats for both players.

I could be way off the mark but I would put Herrera down as someone who fouls a lot.

It's a difficult stat to judge also.

If you play a lot of games were you're brought on at times were you're under pressure/ defending a lead. You're going to be put in a lot more situations were you're more likely to foul than if you're starting and playing 60-70 minutes in a game were you have full control of the ball and less likely to be in situations that require you to foul

Anyway it's all getting a bit technical I like mou for some situations but Ander is twice the player he is. Is this really in question?

beno619

Just to address the revisionism of "Fellaini was so so at the start of the season".

Fellaini average score over his first 7 starts this season before being dropped at Chelsea is 7.42.

Rossi IRL

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Wouldnt mind Evra as a backup left back. Shaw could learn a thing or 2 from him aswell.

He'd certainly up his social media game.

GSPfan

Does anyone know what our longest win streak in the Premier League post Fergie is?

PhlegmyMoses

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Without looking it up I wouldn't imagine there to be much difference in the fouls per game stats for both players.

I could be way off the mark but I would put Herrera down as someone who fouls a lot.

It's close according to whoscored.com. Fellaini at 1.7 and Herrera at 1.5. However, I'm not sure how it's calculated. If it's per 90 mins played, it's relatively equal. If it's per appearance, it's bad for Fellaini as he has played substantially fewer minutes.

PhlegmyMoses

GSPfan wrote: »

Does anyone know what our longest win streak in the Premier League post Fergie is?

Think it's 6 games under Moyes.

Trigger

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Think it's 6 games under Moyes.

4 under Moyes and 6 twice in the league in LVG first season

PhlegmyMoses

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

It's close according to whoscored.com. Fellaini at 1.7 and Herrera at 1.5. However, I'm not sure how it's calculated. If it's per 90 mins played, it's relatively equal. If it's per appearance, it's bad for Fellaini as he has played substantially fewer minutes.

Im seeing Fellaini 1.4 and Herrera 1.7

PhlegmyMoses

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Im seeing Fellaini 1.4 and Herrera 1.7

Are you looking at it all up?

PhlegmyMoses

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Are you looking at it all up?

Im in the Man Utd squad in the defensive section under the fouls tab..