Milk Price III

jaymla627

alps wrote: »

What does rule 100 say?

It states Glanbia has to collect milk from co-op member, it was a sticking point when lads weren't signing msa that Glanbia still had to collect their milk, with new msa coming up I can see the terms and conditions will be written up as to tax new milk over a reference period

jaymla627

Gone back to two day collection here, glanbia haven't enough milk from liquid suppliers locally to fill a tanker and since my lactose is still at 4.7% its suitable for liquid, it's a gas set-up that with all the billions spent on processing they dont even offer a 2 cent bonus to manufacturing suppliers to keep a good supply going from Nov to January

Mooooo

jaymla627 wrote: »

Gone back to two day collection here, glanbia haven't enough milk from liquid suppliers locally to fill a tanker and since my lactose is still at 4.7% its suitable for liquid, it's a gas set-up that with all the billions spent on processing they dont even offer a 2 cent bonus to manufacturing suppliers to keep a good supply going from Nov to January

If lads were to think a 2c bonus is worth it to milk on things would be worse for suppliers tbh

jaymla627

Mooooo wrote: »

If lads were to think a 2c bonus is worth it to milk on things would be worse for suppliers tbh

Isn't that the problem, irish suppliers jumping up and down saying arla/freisland campaina are paying 4-6 cent more if our co-ops turned around and said we will match their prices if you give us a year round supply of milk with no month below 7.5% of yearly supply, Irish lads would still be jumping up and down saying no way.

alps

jaymla627 wrote: »

Isn't that the problem, irish suppliers jumping up and down saying arla/freisland campaina are paying 4-6 cent more if our co-ops turned around and said we will match their prices if you give us a year round supply of milk with no month below 7.5% of yearly supply, Irish lads would still be jumping up and down saying no way.

I would gladly do it for 6c

atlantic mist

were on a two day collection, liquid suppliers dont really matter when it comes to the milk that goes into the liquid plant, one liquid milk supplier in my area and his milk goes in the same tanker as mine, every day all year round, both of our milk is going to make calf powder atm, im in the winter milk club but would much rather be in the liquid club

our chairman has public thrown it out that wed have to join up with arla/friesland camp if we wanted to get access to European markets to improve milk price, thats what worried me most about his interview

arla and friesland employees are twice as productive as irish employees processing nearly twice the amount each year, keeping plant running 365 would improve this, but our sales teams struggle to sell spring milk which to me is a higher quality

mahoney_j

alps wrote: »

I would gladly do it for 6c

So would I premium over base plus solids

stretch film

mahoney_j wrote: »

So would I premium over base plus solids

On 7.5 %of your annual supply per month for 5 mths??

Timmaay

jaymla627 wrote: »

Gone back to two day collection here, glanbia haven't enough milk from liquid suppliers locally to fill a tanker and since my lactose is still at 4.7% its suitable for liquid, it's a gas set-up that with all the billions spent on processing they dont even offer a 2 cent bonus to manufacturing suppliers to keep a good supply going from Nov to January

My Jan lactose usually around 4.7 here also, despite me supplying milk from only the culls and stale march/April calving cows then, maize and leafy silage certainly helps keep it up. That was all irrelevant to Glanbia when it came to me continuing my liquid contract, unless I calved in a certain percentage in the Autumn they weren't interesting in keeping me on as a liquid or winter supplier.

stretch film

Timmaay wrote: »

My Jan lactose usually around 4.7 here also, despite me supplying milk from only the culls and stale march/April calving cows then, maize and leafy silage certainly helps keep it up. That was all irrelevant to Glanbia when it came to me continuing my liquid contract, unless I calved in a certain percentage in the Autumn they weren't interesting in keeping me on as a liquid or winter supplier.

Didn't need you Tim. All the specialist spring producers milking on were doing your job for nothing.
A convergence of price over the 12 mths is as likely as a premium going forward

mahoney_j

stretch film wrote: »

Didn't need you Tim. All the specialist spring producers milking on were doing your job for nothing.
A convergence of price over the 12 mths is as likely as a premium going forward

Explain for nothing ,if I milked on last year late calvers /empties I’d of been a lot better off milk price wise than contracted liquid suppliers in my coop because of my milk solids .the contract is crucial in so far as its detail

stretch film

mahoney_j wrote: »

Explain for nothing ,if I milked on last year late calvers /empties I’d of been a lot better off milk price wise than contracted liquid suppliers in my coop because of my milk solids .the contract is crucial in so far as its detail

The value our extra solids bring over base price gets used as selectively here as much as our co-op s use it. Not necessarily saying that to you btw.
Whatever about the avg supplier in your own coop its unlikely your milk would have beaten your fellow milker on of lates/empties who filled his contract requirements with said milk in a very efficient manner. Tim being an example

mahoney_j

stretch film wrote: »

The value our extra solids bring over base price gets used as selectively here as much as our co-op s use it. Not necessarily saying that to you btw.
Whatever about the avg supplier in your own coop its unlikely your milk would have beaten your fellow milker on of lates/empties who filled his contract requirements with said milk in a very efficient manner. Tim being an example

As I said the contract is crucial as is what milk base price is . liquid contract in my coop is x over base with nothing extra for solids my non contracted milk at the solids I was sending in would of beaten the contracted liquid supplier

alps

stretch film wrote: »

On 7.5 %of your annual supply per month for 5 mths??

Did figures on this years ago and the most efficient system for us from an available feed and facilities point of view was to calve in 3 separate windows of 6 weeks each.

All cows would be milking through peak growth of 5th May to 5th Sept and 2/3 in milk for the rest of the year.

It meant only 1/3 of the calving and calf rearing facilities and only 2/3 of the milking cow facilities as the dry 1/3 could be kept off farm.

18 weeks calving/ 18 weeks breeding..

It's of no advantage of course to processing as we would still speak in supply along with everyone else, albeit at a lower peak for the given number of cows.

It would be interesting to revisit the concept, which we decided against, but would have been our only route to expansion.

stretch film

mahoney_j wrote: »

As I said the contract is crucial as is what milk base price is . liquid contract in my coop is x over base with nothing extra for solids my non contracted milk at the solids I was sending in would of beaten the contracted liquid supplier

There you go.
Was only talking in context to Tim.
You often speak of the relative attraction of winter milk system to you
Is there a winter manufacturing scheme also in your coop

mahoney_j

stretch film wrote: »

There you go.
Was only talking in context to Tim.
You often speak of the relative attraction of winter milk system to you
Is there a winter manufacturing scheme also in your coop

No if tgere was I’d be calving a block in October November

Mortelaro

mahoney_j wrote: »

As I said the contract is crucial as is what milk base price is . liquid contract in my coop is x over base with nothing extra for solids my non contracted milk at the solids I was sending in would of beaten the contracted liquid supplier

I think the over arching point on a farm level is whether there is more profit on the mid November to mid January milk irrespective of being contracted or not

If there isn't, then why do it?
Hard to beat grazed grass
6 or 8cpl winter bonus doesn't cut the mustard
Every litre over contract reduces that premium as obviously its sent in without and it's more likely farms over produce contract than under
Another farmer gift to the processor

GrasstoMilk

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think the over arching point on a farm level is whether there is more profit on the mid November to mid January milk irrespective of being contracted or not

If there isn't, then why do it?
Hard to beat grazed grass
6 or 8cpl winter bonus doesn't cut the mustard
Every litre over contract reduces that premium as obviously its sent in without and it's more likely farms over produce contract than under
Another farmer gift to the processor

Left baileys contract 2 years ago. Was a good bonus in it but I wasnt going to get any extra milk with the new scheme aswell as the price they were going to pay dropped.
Was always busy, never really had a break. Things very different since weve gone all spring. Could never see myself going back to it

I'm looking forward to turning the parlour off Christmas week and getting a months break from.milking.
T - 22 days

mahoney_j

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think the over arching point on a farm level is whether there is more profit on the mid November to mid January milk irrespective of being contracted or not

If there isn't, then why do it?
Hard to beat grazed grass
6 or 8cpl winter bonus doesn't cut the mustard
Every litre over contract reduces that premium as obviously its sent in without and it's more likely farms over produce contract than under
Another farmer gift to the processor

Grazed grass is an advantage but not as big as some think ,not knocking it as what I’m at requires it and top quality silage but it only dose so much then throw in drought ,washouts ,cold weather etc product we’re ptoducing isn’t returning what bord bia tegasc etc tell us it is especially when u look to the continent .all the emphasis in this country is on seasonal milk which means a few weeks mayhem for coops huge money invested in ss to pump our top quality product into volatile commodities
There’s a perception that winter milk is unprofitable in comparasion to spring but anyone that has a good winter/Baileys contract is in no rush out and would rake more if they could get it on a bad milk price year a common statement I hear from winter suppliers is that the winter bonus made a bad year an average to allright year

visatorro

mahoney_j wrote: »

Grazed grass is an advantage but not as big as some think ,not knocking it as what I’m at requires it and top quality silage but it only dose so much then throw in drought ,washouts ,cold weather etc product we’re ptoducing isn’t returning what bord bia tegasc etc tell us it is especially when u look to the continent .all the emphasis in this country is on seasonal milk which means a few weeks mayhem for coops huge money invested in ss to pump our top quality product into volatile commodities
There’s a perception that winter milk is unprofitable in comparasion to spring but anyone that has a good winter/Baileys contract is in no rush out and would rake more if they could get it on a bad milk price year a common statement I hear from winter suppliers is that the winter bonus made a bad year an average to allright year

Always in winter milk here. Always cleared bills and had money left in the account. Am committed to it now for the foreseeable. Spreads work load for me aswell. And handier shift calves before xmas I find.
Now it's not for everyone but it works for me and I'm not losing money at it. Iv no 10k cows here either. And don't want any. But iv to improve what I have.

Mortelaro

'I'm not losing money at it' isn't a great endorsement for something though if doing it as a spring herd you'd make more if you have the milking platform big enough

Obviously there are set ups where you have out farms off which you can draw fodder to the pits of the winter milking herd
Obviously also if you're not losing money at that extra winter enterprise, you'd not have any money at all from it or profit if you didn't do it
So stopping would be stupid

My point is towards the farmer who has the milking platform to do all his cows off grass mid January to mid november with the parlour in the dead centre

That type of lad would be stone mad not to have a 6 or 8 week winter milking break
Theres an awful lot of them though and for decades myself included,gifting the processor the fruits of that unnecessary graft
I suppose for decades I enjoyed it too much and "wasn't losing money at it" either
But time called on the folly here anyway with more than a pinch of distaste at the behaviour of processors,one in particular towards their primary producers

visatorro

Mortelaro wrote: »

'I'm not losing money at it' isn't a great endorsement for something though if doing it as a spring herd you'd make more if you have the milking platform big enough

Obviously there are set ups where you have out farms off which you can draw fodder to the pits of the winter milking herd
Obviously also if you're not losing money at that extra winter enterprise, you'd not have any money at all from it or profit if you didn't do it
So stopping would be stupid

My point is towards the farmer who has the milking platform to do all his cows off grass mid January to mid november with the parlour in the dead centre

That type of lad would be stone mad not to have a 6 or 8 week winter milking break
Theres an awful lot of them though and for decades myself included,gifting the processor the fruits of that unnecessary graft
I suppose for decades I enjoyed it too much and "wasn't losing money at it" either
But time called on the folly here anyway with more than a pinch of distaste at the behaviour of processors,one in particular towards their primary producers

Not enough of a milking platform here.
I could afford to live on winter milk and pay bills. That's just my situation here. Not saying it is for everyone.

The whole processor thing is a different arguement unfortunately. From a business and leadership point of view they are playing a blinder. Producers are an afterthought.

jaymla627

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think the over arching point on a farm level is whether there is more profit on the mid November to mid January milk irrespective of being contracted or not

If there isn't, then why do it?
Hard to beat grazed grass
6 or 8cpl winter bonus doesn't cut the mustard
Every litre over contract reduces that premium as obviously its sent in without and it's more likely farms over produce contract than under
Another farmer gift to the processor

The above is like a motivational speech Gerry Boyle would give out to some newly recruited teagasc dairy advisors, all the while not even passing a thought to the million odd calves been dropped out every Spring and co-ops and by default us remortgaging the house/cat/dog and anything else worth a penny to put up more and more stainless steel for a 8 week peak

straight

Kerry are making a goodwill payment in mid January.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/kerry-group-to-make-3c-l-goodwill-payment-512667

awaywithyou

straight wrote: »

Kerry are making a goodwill payment in mid January.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/kerry-group-to-make-3c-l-goodwill-payment-512667

notice how we can view this for free.... same with Larry winning the Bord Bia sustainability award.....

straight

awaywithyou wrote: »

notice how we can view this for free.... same with Larry winning the Bord Bia sustainability award.....

Got to keep the farmers running on the hamster wheel. I wonder what Larry got for dropping the injunctions...

Buford T. Justice XIX

straight wrote: »

Got to keep the farmers running on the hamster wheel. I wonder what Larry got for dropping the injunctions...

With demand for beef looking like rising, it'll cost them nothing to 'give in' to demands at this stage.

wrangler

straight wrote: »

Got to keep the farmers running on the hamster wheel. I wonder what Larry got for dropping the injunctions...

Didn't he get a commitment from the Dept. of justice that they wouldn't let the factories be blockaded or the workers be intimidated.
I doubt that was all he got either

Buford T. Justice XIX

GDT down 0.5%, mostly butter falling at 4.9%.

whelan2

How will the new glanbia fixed price scheme work. I assume you wont have spent 5cpl in inputs until late on in the year. Is the money paid when you reach that 5cpl of trading? Also do you have to have paid up for that 5cpl of trading too? Do you also get the trading bonus if you do go into the fixed price scheme