Milk Price III

Buford T. Justice XIX

cute geoge wrote: »

When can we expect a result of arbitration

Tbh, i expected it around now but no sign yet and not a peep out of anyone about it either.

atlantic mist

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/strathroy-goes-head-to-head-with-glanbia-and-lakelands-for-suppliers-35629787.html

nice to see a bit of healthy competition, wouldn't be long till they get down south to me:)

Timmaay

atlantic mist wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/strathroy-goes-head-to-head-with-glanbia-and-lakelands-for-suppliers-35629787.html

nice to see a bit of healthy competition, wouldn't be long till they get down south to me:)

So if we want to keep our options open (doesn't everyone!), then we should put on notice once the 5years have passed. Are there any disadvantages to putting in your notice, can Glanbia exclude you from the likes of the milk price topup scheme etc? I've no plans on changing right at the minute but do like to keep opinions open always!!

Water John

The Gentlemens/ICOS norm is 90 days notice. Don't know if Sthrathroy care.
Once you are not tied in with an MSA, transfer in the dry season. If that is what you want to do.
If you sign an new long term MSA, you close the door on yourself.
If the farmer orgs has any b***s they would openly oppose long term MSAs.
I have no problem with a supplier and processor committing to each other for 12 months.

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

So if we want to keep our options open (doesn't everyone!), then we should put on notice once the 5years have passed. Are there any disadvantages to putting in your notice, can Glanbia exclude you from the likes of the milk price topup scheme etc? I've no plans on changing right at the minute but do like to keep opinions open always!!

You can give 2 years notice next January. As far as I know you dont have to follow through with leavi. But it's just to let them know you are thinking of going

wats the craic

whelan2 wrote: »

You can give 2 years notice next January. As far as I know you dont have to follow through with leavi. But it's just to let them know you are thinking of going

sure we are always looking for new members to the family ......

Buford T. Justice XIX

German milk price not covering costs.

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/german-milk-price-covers-only-77-of-production-costs-survey-270974

whelan2

wats the craic wrote: »

sure we are always looking for new members to the family ......

It said in the farming independent they are looking for manufacturing suppliers. Do they take liquid too?

wats the craic

whelan2 wrote: »

It said in the farming independent they are looking for manufacturing suppliers. Do they take liquid too?

yes they do but they are tring to balance the supply curve so to have more manufacturing milk in line with other coops and to feed the new dryer they have up there . why not give them a ring and see wat they say to ya if interested . they are very fair and straight talking men

GrasstoMilk

wats the craic wrote: »

yes they do but they are tring to balance the supply curve so to have more manufacturing milk in line with other coops and to feed the new dryer they have up there . why not give them a ring and see wat they say to ya if interested . they are very fair and straight talking men

How often do you get milk results WTC?
have to admit I like getting my milk results on ever collection and it's something I would miss

Farmer Ed

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

German milk price not covering costs.

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/german-milk-price-covers-only-77-of-production-costs-survey-270974

The German's are including all costs unlike us.

whelan2

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How often do you get milk results WTC?
have to admit I like getting my milk results on ever collection and it's something I would miss

Agree. I get them every day as we are still on every day collections here.

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Agree. I get them every day as we are still on every day collections here.

I have results from 2 tests here this month. 6th and 12th. Right PITA

Farmer Ed

If my memory serves me correctly. Stratroy get their milk tested independently by a lab that is properly certified to iso 17025 standards. Correct me if I am wrong but they are possibly the only milk purchaser in the country doing this. Now before some of you start saying that other purchasers operate to iso 17025 standards, there is something that should be understood. Yes some purchasers claim to operate to iso 17025 standards, but they are not iso 17025 certified. There is a big difference and it largely boils down to semantics. It would be a bit like me saying that I could carry out brain surgery to the same standards as a Doctor, but as I am not a Doctor I would not be certified to do so and it would take a very brave and foolish person to allow me to operate on them. Southern milk testing cant be iso 17025 certified as the equipment is calibrated using Moorepark and as Mooreparks own equipment is not iso 17025 certified, it really is a case of the blind leading the blind.

Also the fact that Strathroys testing is done independently is something that other purchasers have never delivered on despite it have been official IFA policy since Adam was a boy. But when tested it turns out that IFA don't really want independent tasting after all, so it all gets a bit confusing.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I have results from 2 tests here this month. 6th and 12th. Right PITA

And the 18th just arrived. Must just be doing every second collection.

Waiting for a technician now to sort the vacuum pump. The second one died and trips the fuse.

Tempted to go on once a day today now.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Farmer Ed wrote: »

If my memory serves me correctly. Stratroy get their milk tested independently by a lab that is properly certified to iso 17025 standards. Correct me if I am wrong but they are possibly the only milk purchaser in the country doing this. Now before some of you start saying that other purchasers operate to iso 17025 standards, there is something that should be understood. Yes some purchasers claim to operate to iso 17025 standards, but they are not iso 17025 certified. There is a big difference and it largely boils down to semantics. It would be a bit like me saying that I could carry out brain surgery to the same standards as a Doctor, but as I am not a Doctor I would not be certified to do so and it would take a very brave and foolish person to allow me to operate on them. Southern milk testing cant be iso 17025 certified as the equipment is calibrated using Moorepark and as Mooreparks own equipment is not iso 17025 certified, it really is a case of the blind leading the blind.

Also the fact that Strathroys testing is done independently is something that other purchasers have never delivered on despite it have been official IFA policy since Adam was a boy. But when tested it turns out that IFA don't really want independent tasting after all, so it all gets a bit confusing.

The IF A has always been in favour of independent testing. The problem with pushing it is there is always a bigger fire to fight and a large proportion of members prefer the current situation where they believe they can get a poor test or two overturned with a phone call to their friendly manager.

rangler1

Farmer Ed wrote: »

If my memory serves me correctly. Stratroy get their milk tested independently by a lab that is properly certified to iso 17025 standards. Correct me if I am wrong but they are possibly the only milk purchaser in the country doing this. Now before some of you start saying that other purchasers operate to iso 17025 standards, there is something that should be understood. Yes some purchasers claim to operate to iso 17025 standards, but they are not iso 17025 certified. There is a big difference and it largely boils down to semantics. It would be a bit like me saying that I could carry out brain surgery to the same standards as a Doctor, but as I am not a Doctor I would not be certified to do so and it would take a very brave and foolish person to allow me to operate on them. Southern milk testing cant be iso 17025 certified as the equipment is calibrated using Moorepark and as Mooreparks own equipment is not iso 17025 certified, it really is a case of the blind leading the blind.

Also the fact that Strathroys testing is done independently is something that other purchasers have never delivered on despite it have been official IFA policy since Adam was a boy. But when tested it turns out that IFA don't really want independent tasting after all, so it all gets a bit confusing.

why is this starting to sound familiar to me.........I know
You could go back 20 years and insert ''electronic grading'' instead of ''independent testing '' and now surprise surprise the spin is farmers were bullied in to accepting electronic grading.....see the same ould begrudgery in facebook about the new IFJ farm....some things never change.

Buyer always sets the price and standards, Get used to it.

Farmer Ed

rangler1 wrote: »

why is this starting to sound familiar to me.........I know
You could go back 20 years and insert ''electronic grading'' instead of ''independent testing '' and now surprise surprise the spin is farmers were bullied in to accepting electronic grading.....see the same ould begrudgery in facebook about the new IFJ farm....some things never change.

Buyer always sets the price and standards, Get used to it.

Well if that is IFA policy Rangler then they possibility should come clean and announce it rather than talking out of both sides of their mouth. Independent testing and electronic grading are two different things completely. Independent milk testing would involve the very same process as we have at the moment, but operated independently by a properly certified lab. The discretion of the purchaser to ignore a poor result would still exist just the independence of the result would be full accredited. But when given the opportunity to vote on it , to a man and woman the people leading the objections were all senior IFA officer's. That is a fact that can never be changed. So what exactly is IFAs position now as one could be forgiven for being confused surely?

Farmer Ed

Don't know about the rest of you but I find this a very confusing policy statement. https://www.ifa.ie/sectors/dairy/milk-testing/

On the one hand they are excepting that testing is not properly accredited and on the other hand they are pretty watery to say the least about what actions they plan to bring about change. The only thing we do know for sure is that given the opportunity they voted against it.

So I suppose if IFA/ Glanbia want to beat Strathroy with the line that somehow their testing is not good enough. Honesty I am not sure its a can of worms they would be wise to go opening. Starthroy are actually the only purchaser who are actually implementing what is supposedly IFA policy? Or at lest what we are led to believe it is .

Water John

Well, we know how the position, articulated by a previous Chair of Dairy Committee, was knobbled by the fella under the umbrella at the ploughing.

Yes a buyer sets the price and standard on any product, but doesn't test and verify. We'll have all the beef and sheep guys letting the factory grade, without challenge.

Farmer Ed

http://m.independent.ie/business/farming/ifa-abandons-independent-milk-testing-29457952.html

In fairness to Eddie Downey at least he was honest about where IFA stands. Pity they never updated their website.

rangler1

Water John wrote: »

Well, we know how the position, articulated by a previous Chair of Dairy Committee, was knobbled by the fella under the umbrella at the ploughing.

Yes a buyer sets the price and standard on any product, but doesn't test and verify. We'll have all the beef and sheep guys letting the factory grade, without challenge.

Factory grades my lambs, I have two choices, accept it or do something else..... they only have to change that arrangement when every one does some thing else. Incessant, dare I say, whingeing on and on is a waste of breath.
Time to grow up methinks.
Just edited to say that as an IFA officer I didn't always agree with IFA policy and like teddy cashman would say so......so fire me

Buford T. Justice XIX

https://twitter.com/ronh999dairy/status/855135852330184706

US milk production about to hit monthly all time high.

darragh_haven

wats the craic wrote: »

yes they do but they are tring to balance the supply curve so to have more manufacturing milk in line with other coops and to feed the new dryer they have up there . why not give them a ring and see wat they say to ya if interested . they are very fair and straight talking men

Its an evaporater that they have in Strathroy atm. It was built so they could take the spring milk glut and not be forced to sell it off at rock bottom prices. A dryer is in the pipeline tho.
As one of the Cunningham bros said to me, we'll take any type of milk, even if it came out of yer own nipples

kowtow

darragh_haven wrote:

we'll take any type of milk, even if it came out of yer own nipples

I don't think many of us would manage once a day given the strictures of the dairy farmers diet.

Probably a blessing in disguise.

Mooooo

Base 31 received 34.085 @ 3.39p and 4.2bf
difference of 6 cent between top and bottom 10% 35.26 and 29.16 respectively

Fixture

darragh_haven wrote: »

Its an evaporater that they have in Strathroy atm. It was built so they could take the spring milk glut and not be forced to sell it off at rock bottom prices. A dryer is in the pipeline tho.
As one of the Cunningham bros said to me, we'll take any type of milk, even if it came out of yer own nipples

Was told Strathroy milk from Wexford is currently being processed in North Cork creamery - dunno if true or not

White Clover

Fixture wrote: »

Was told Strathroy milk from Wexford is currently being processed in North Cork creamery - dunno if true or not

You could be right on that, saw a strathroy tanker leaving there some day last week and was wondering where twas coming from.

Water John

That's interesting. Business is business. A good few processors, without making a hullabullo have a good lot of spare capacity. They have extended operations quietly without a big song and dance.

White Clover

At present, along with their own milk, they're taking milk from dairygold, fealesbridge, Newtownsandes, limerick liquid milk producers and I'm fairly sure arrabawn too.

Water John

Don't know of Arrabawn. The lads supplying them from around Milstreet might know. Arrabawn have a good bit of spare capacity. I think they processed less on contract, in Nenagh last year.
Not sure why they would use North Cork, unless for a diff product line.

White Clover

Water John wrote: »

Don't know of Arrabawn. The lads supplying them from around Milstreet might know. Arrabawn have a good bit of spare capacity. I think they processed less on contract, in Nenagh last year.
Not sure why they would use North Cork, unless for a diff product line.

Arrabawn drew into kanturk alot last year, the milk they're collecting is only 7 or 8 miles from kanturk. It would be madness to haul that milk as far as nenagh, over 70 miles.

Water John

White, that makes sense. Great to see their trucks around Cork though. Competition is good.

Farmer Ed

White Clover wrote: »

At present, along with their own milk, they're taking milk from dairygold, fealesbridge, Newtownsandes, limerick liquid milk producers and I'm fairly sure arrabawn too.

Maybe you could confirm this but I also heard they are brining milk from Scotland?

White Clover

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Maybe you could confirm this but I also heard they are brining milk from Scotland?

I don't know that. I haven't seen or heard about it. There was milk from Wales being processed there a year or 2 back.
Where is the arrabawn milk from down your way being processed?

Farmer Ed

White Clover wrote: »

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Maybe you could confirm this but I also heard they are brining milk from Scotland?

I don't know that. I haven't seen or heard about it. There was milk from Wales being processed there a year or 2 back.
Where is the arrabawn milk from down your way being processed?

Last I heard it was going to Nenagh .I know in the past DG were a bit put out by Arrabawn taking milk from their ex supplier's in to north cork and north cork tended to avoid it if possible as they didn't want to rock the boat. But they were taking Arrabawn milk that was collected in Tipperary as that was seen to come from outside DGs catchment area.

Water John

So the Arrabawn tanker should collect milk on Tipp farms, bring it to NC. Then the same lorry goes out and collects Cork milk and takes it back to Nenagh?
Just to keep Dairygold Mgmt from getting the heeby jeebies?

Farmer Ed

Water John wrote: »

So the Arrabawn tanker should collect milk on Tipp farms, bring it to NC. Then the same lorry goes out and collects Cork milk and takes it back to Nenagh?
Just to keep Dairygold Mgmt from getting the heeby jeebies?

Yes petty much, apparently North Cork worry about keeping the neighbours happy. If they didn't they could have increased their supplier base by a couple of hundred before contracts tied people down and would no longer depend on anyone else for milk.

alps

Water John wrote: »

So the Arrabawn tanker should collect milk on Tipp farms, bring it to NC.?

Arrabawn have suppliers in west Limerick with years.......thats a pretty short run into Kanturk

orm0nd

don't know if they're still doing it but at 1 time arrabawn were collecting milk 187 kms from base & drawing it to nenagh

White Clover

alps wrote: »

Arrabawn have suppliers in west Limerick with years.......thats a pretty short run into Kanturk

Anytime I've seen an arrabawn truck leaving kanturk, it has been heading south.
What possibly happens is, if there's 3 loads to be collected, 2 loads are taken into kanturk and the final load is taken back to nenagh?

Shur, the milk arrabawn are collecting near millstreet, when dairygold were collecting that it was going to kanturk too!

Mooooo

With the motorways these distances are covered fairly fast. Shir during the winter milk would be heading on all directions from here in mid cork up to nenagh ballyraggart our driver even went to lakelands I think 2 years ago

White Clover

Mooooo wrote: »

With the motorways these distances are covered fairly fast. Shir during the winter milk would be heading on all directions from here in mid cork up to nenagh ballyraggart our driver even went to lakelands I think 2 years ago

Heading to nenagh from kanturk, you're 40 miles from a motorway.
I presume it's in winter time you're talking about traveling long distance? Probably 1 load per day?

Water John

See their worried that Glanbia Coop have too much say in Glanbia. That's a joke, as the price they have been paying shows.

Farmer Ed

Interesting bit in the indi today..
Seemingly the Germans agree that the MSAs are Allegedly, illegal. ..But ICOS say they protect Farmers. Who do you believe?

mahoney_j

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Interesting bit in the indi today..
Seemingly the Germans agree that the MSAs are Allegedly, illegal. ..But ICOS say they protect Farmers. Who do you believe?

I'm quite happy to have a signed msa with my coop and that I'm guaranteed they will collect it .....im also happy I've a portion of milk fixed with said coop which guarantees me a minimum price for it for next 3 years

Farmer Ed

mahoney_j wrote: »

I'm quite happy to have a signed msa with my coop and that I'm guaranteed they will collect it .....im also happy I've a portion of milk fixed with said coop which guarantees me a minimum price for it for next 3 years

Mahoney in all fairness unless you have looked down the barrel of a gun at a Dairygold or a Glainbia contract. You have no idea what one of them even looks like. Arrabawns contract is just a relationship. The other two are full blown marriage where your spouse gets to lock the door should you try to escape.

Interesting the Germans view all the same.

mahoney_j

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Mahoney in all fairness unless you have looked down the barrel of a gun at a Dairygold or a Glainbia contract. You have no idea what one of them even looks like. Arrabawns contract is just a relationship. The other two are full blown marriage where your spouse gets to lock the door should you try to escape.

Interesting the Germans view all the same.

Seen both ,didn't study them in huge detail ,Arrabawn's is much more straight forward and fair imo .contracts are essential tho for both ,as me a farmer that I know my milk will be collected and paid for and coop that they have milk to process and a products to sell to markets

Farmer Ed

mahoney_j wrote: »

Seen both ,didn't study them in huge detail ,Arrabawn's is much more straight forward and fair imo .contracts are essential tho for both ,as me a farmer that I know my milk will be collected and paid for and coop that they have milk to process and a products to sell to markets

I think possibility you should have a read of the co op rules while you are at it. Co ops have been legally obliged to take all members milk as far back as 1893. So to be fair this bit about milk not being collected was always a red herring. No fear of co ops running out of milk to fill contracts anytime soon either. Just look at all the over supply in storage.

But I suppose the question here is . what if the Germans are correct? What are the implications here?

mahoney_j

Farmer Ed wrote: »

I think possibility you should have a read of the co op rules while you are at it. Co ops have been legally obliged to take all members milk as far back as 1893. So to be fair this bit about milk not being collected was always a red herring. No fear of co ops running out of milk to fill contracts anytime soon either. Just look at all the over supply in storage.

But I suppose the question here is . what if the Germans are correct? What are the implications here?

Not getting sucked in to this ed but contracts are essential ,just look over in the U.K. A year or 2 back ,there was a lot of farmers over there who would give there right arm for a contract