Milk Price III

Farmer Ed

Looking like 1c increase pretty much across the board. At least its going in the right direction anyway.
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/arrabawn-announces-a-milk-price-increase-for-may-supplies/?utm_content=bufferc83a7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

whelan2

Glanbia milk cheques are in accounts early

Waffletraktor

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Mod note:

Lads and lassies, please refrain from the personal abuse. We have had similar on the milk price threads before and they were shut down.

If you want to keep these threads open, please reread the charter because, after this warning, personal abuse will result in bans being handed out.

Buford T. Justice.

Could I ask for a reference for when Fred fires off a similar pm next time please? I didn't think he is a mod now as you know he has form here...

"I regret we seam to have got off on the wrong note. But your obvious dislike of me is reaching an unhealthy state. Why are you even on a milk price tread or how could you care less? Your in the UK. Why can't you just get on with your life? I know if I ever pack in the cows before I die, you won't find me checking milk price thread again. Can't see why I'd be bothered? Life's too short. Don't know why you feel the need to fight someone else's battles?"

rangler1

whelan2 wrote: »

Also not all people can get to meetings to air their views.

You'd be very foolish to depend on anonymous posters either, for proper consideration you'd need to know the background of the person airing their views.
If the issue is important, you should be properly involved, Saying you need to air your view on something and then saying you haven't time to do it properly is to me a contradiction in term.
It's ironic on here that the person that indulges in the most innuendo and accusations is the most careful not to reveal their identity

mahoney_j

rangler1 wrote: »

You'd be very foolish to depend on anonymous posters either, for proper consideration you'd need to know the background of the person airing their views.
If the issue is important, you should be properly involved, Saying you need to air your view on something and then saying you haven't time to do it properly is to me a contradiction in term.
It's ironic on here that the person that indulges in the most innuendo and accusations is the most careful not to reveal their identity

I'm sure lots know who this poster is and who he supplies etc etc to be quite honest I couldn't care less ,most of us here have our usernames figured out from twitter etc ,mods have tricky job keeping peace on this thread.

Thanks j, and I think we'll leave it there.

Buford.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Could I ask for a reference for when Fred fires off a similar pm next time please? I didn't think he is a mod now as you know he has form here...

"I regret we seam to have got off on the wrong note. But your obvious dislike of me is reaching an unhealthy state. Why are you even on a milk price tread or how could you care less? Your in the UK. Why can't you just get on with your life? I know if I ever pack in the cows before I die, you won't find me checking milk price thread again. Can't see why I'd be bothered? Life's too short. Don't know why you feel the need to fight someone else's battles?"

I can't see PMs and have no access to them. If you're not happy with a PM, please report it and it will be be dealt with.

whelan2

rangler1 wrote: »

You'd be very foolish to depend on anonymous posters either, for proper consideration you'd need to know the background of the person airing their views.
If the issue is important, you should be properly involved, Saying you need to air your view on something and then saying you haven't time to do it properly is to me a contradiction in term.
It's ironic on here that the person that indulges in the most innuendo and accusations is the most careful not to reveal their identity

There's an ignore function for knobs on this forum. Pity it doesn't work in real life

briangriffin

Can't we all just get along...

whelan2

briangriffin wrote: »

Can't we all just get along...

Obviously not. Kids would behave better

Farmer Ed

rangler1 wrote: »

You'd be very foolish to depend on anonymous posters either, for proper consideration you'd need to know the background of the person airing their views.
If the issue is important, you should be properly involved, Saying you need to air your view on something and then saying you haven't time to do it properly is to me a contradiction in term.
It's ironic on here that the person that indulges in the most innuendo and accusations is the most careful not to reveal their identity

How do you know people haven't aired their views in public? You certainty give the impression you are not afraid to air your views in public and yet you still air your views here as you are quite entitled to.

mahoney_j

briangriffin wrote: »

Can't we all just get along...

Aghhhh sure the mods would have nothing to do then to justify there big salaries !!!!!!

whelan2

What is the strathroy milk price for may? Apologies for having this thread on topic

orm0nd

whelan2 wrote: »

What is the strathroy milk price for may? Apologies for having this thread on topic

just to get the thread back on track (if you cant beat them join them)

Farmer Ed wrote: »

How do you know people haven't aired their views in public? You certainty give the impression you are not afraid to air your views in public and yet you still air your views here as you are quite entitled to.

He takes no prisoners when he speaks in public either, believe me

Farmer Ed

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Could I ask for a reference for when Fred fires off a similar pm next time please? I didn't think he is a mod now as you know he has form here...

"I regret we seam to have got off on the wrong note. But your obvious dislike of me is reaching an unhealthy state. Why are you even on a milk price tread or how could you care less? Your in the UK. Why can't you just get on with your life? I know if I ever pack in the cows before I die, you won't find me checking milk price thread again. Can't see why I'd be bothered? Life's too short. Don't know why you feel the need to fight someone else's battles?"

Waffle can you not just see that you were being offered an olive branch and be happy that your reply to that PM wasn't posted here?

Please life's too short for this crap.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Waffle can you not just see that you were being offered an olive branch and be happy that your reply to that PM wasn't posted here?

Please life's too short for this crap.

Mod note: Farmer Ed and Waffletraktor, take a break from the thread for 24 hours.

Thanks.

Buford T. Justice.

Mooooo

What were the most recent fixed price schemes offered at and duration? Do lads think they are better being entered when price is high,? dairygold current one is 18 months since start of year, didn't go with it as I figured it would be much of a muchness for the period.

mahoney_j

Mooooo wrote: »

What were the most recent fixed price schemes offered at and duration? Do lads think they are better being entered when price is high,? dairygold current one is 18 months since start of year, didn't go with it as I figured it would be much of a muchness for the period.

I entered Arrabawn's first scheme with 20% fixed for 3 years at 30.6 cent plus solids on top .over 3 years I feel well worthwhile .no links to inputs or market fluctuations

alps

Mooooo wrote: »

What were the most recent fixed price schemes offered at and duration? Do lads think they are better being entered when price is high,? dairygold current one is 18 months since start of year, didn't go with it as I figured it would be much of a muchness for the period.

They'll keep coming Mooooo, as I'm sure customers will try their best to tie in supply in this rising market.

That's all very fair, as long as the farmer is full and free to make the decision to accept or decline.

Past moves to confine entry to one of the schemes to those who took up a previous one, is an abhorrence that needs to be resisted by farmers and in particular by their boards.

The Ornua based offerings now look as if they will happen on an annual basis. At relatively short run times, they won't see much activity in this rising market, but will be real interesting once we get to the 35c bracket....

Mooooo

No doubt they'll keep coming and as you say prior participation shouldn't be required for entry, I wonder could teagasc get a finance PhD in to do a bit of research on pricing structures that would be transparent for the farmer, or someone similar to kowtow to come up with something to suit our scale and export orientation. Currently the time to enter seems to be near peak prices,

Water John

I think Moo, not many outside the farm gate, are interested in transparency.
Your aspiration is correct though.

alps

Water John wrote: »

I think Moo, not many outside the farm gate, are interested in transparency.
Your aspiration is correct though.

Would have to disagree....I think many strive to be transparent...sometimes the problem is seeing transparency...

alps

Water John wrote: »

I think Moo, not many outside the farm gate, are interested in transparency.
Your aspiration is correct though.

Would have to disagree....I think many strive to be transparent...sometimes the problem is seeing transparency...

Water John

Well Alps, when you find out, please let us know, what breakdown of product and profitability is made by the coop with the milk, you supply?
Since you are a part owner, I'm sure they will give you that info.

kowtow

From a purely selfish personal point of view you should always try and take a fixed price scheme at a high price. The question of course is not whether the price is high compared to last year, but whether it is high compared to next year - and the answer to that is above everyone's pay grade.

So is the Irish price high at the moment? As an interested observer - without any particular axe to grind - it's notable that price and demand reported elsewhere seems to be more optimistic and bullish than we are seeing here. Are our processors repairing (our) balance sheets quietly for our future benefit, saving for future investment in plant, or is there something else we can't see which is a brake on the Irish price?

I think it's obvious that processors would wish to repair balance sheets at the moment - the Glanbia deal and the accompanying commentary is - to me - a canary in the coal mine that we're going to need more capacity and it's going to be farmers paying for it, and that alone would be a good enough signal for a co-op board to try and repair the roof while the sun is shining, relatively speaking. In itself, that may not be a bad thing although whether investing in more processing capacity is wise is really a question for the membership when the time comes.

And to answer that question the membership ought really to understand the likely future returns from milk, which brings me to my single biggest point of concern - if our much lauded 'premium products' are stable or moderate at best in performance, what returns are being generated - right now - by all this extra milk? The obvious risk is that a great deal of it is going to powder very cheaply, and that the falling returns are being masked to some extent by the exceptionally high price of butterfat which is a well recorded phenomenon - but one which surely won't go up in a straight line forever. What happens if and when butter falls back?

It may be that this is simply not the case, that balance sheets are reflating, innovative premium products are soaring away, and that milk prices will continue to rise moderately and everything will be rosy - but if I was looking for a storm cloud ahead that is where I would be looking.

Bear in mind that I am naturally pessimistic. The advice - often given here by very sensible posters - to concentrate on the individual farm circumstances and proceed cautiously, including by fixing some milk if the financial risks of doing so are not too great, is very good advice indeed.

rangler1

Water John wrote: »

I think Moo, not many outside the farm gate, are interested in transparency.
Your aspiration is correct though.

Agreed.
To the consumer it doesn't matter what it costs to produce, all they want is a quality product at the cheapest price, It won't concern them it's cheaper than the cost of production and if you add in a 5% labour cost all its going to do is annoy you further.
It has to better for you to suspect you're being done than know you're being robbed

freedominacup

whelan2 wrote: »

Glanbia milk cheques are in accounts early

What did I save yer man's number under in contacts?

whelan2

freedominacup wrote: »

What did I save yer man's number under in contacts?

Lad who does milking for me is also a fencing contractor. He rang me at 8 this morning to know when would glanbia cheques be in as he has a few post dated cheques to lodge.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Fecks sake. Still nothing in my account from Kerry. No fear of them lads spoiling us by paying on time, not to mind early. :mad:

Buford T. Justice XIX

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Fecks sake. Still nothing in my account from Kerry. No fear of them lads spoiling us by paying on time, not to mind early. :mad:

I find them great. Money in the account. Lovely bunch of lads...

Mooooo

Dairygold up to 32...