Would you report a dole scammer?

end of the road

Jodotman wrote: »

Others are mothers with children given a practically free house and thing been a full time Mum is a job should be f**ked off the dole.

while i do know the type of people you are talking about, most stay at home mothers are interested in parenting their children, so it will be a full time job.

Widdershins

end of the road wrote: »

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while i do know the type of people you are talking about, most stay at home mothers are interested in parenting their children, so it will be a full time job.

An important one. If they don't do their best it will cause problems down the line, not just for the child.

uch

end of the road wrote: »

a

while i do know the type of people you are talking about, most stay at home mothers are interested in parenting their children, so it will be a full time job.

And you should add to this, theres no such thing as a free house, regardless of what certain simpletons think, even a single mother with one child in council accommodation pays rent, regardless of how little, they still pay Rent

JimmyTClarke

No, on the condition that they cut me a small percentage of their 'earnings' to maintain my silence.

uch

JimmyTClarke wrote: »

No, on the condition that they cut me a small percentage of their 'earnings' to maintain my silence.

You're a bit late Jim, there's a 65th of a percent going at the minute according to this thread

TheOven

Conall Cernach wrote: »

The 3 day week thing is a bit crap too. If you work 12 hours a day for 3 days of the week you can still claim a reduced dole but if you work 1 hour a day, 4 days a week you can claim nothing. Some people I know who work in retail have been caught out by this when they might be given 4 x 4 hour shifts a week so that they cannot claim a 3 day week or claim FIS which has a minimum of 38 hours per fortnight.

In this kind of situation I wouldn't report them. It pretty much comes down to if they are trying to improve their situation or not.

srsly78 wrote: »

You are leaving out some important information: your father was refused dole because he failed the means-test - ie he was too rich.

Depends, means don't necessarily make you rich. If you are employed they only count a percentage of that as means while if it is from another source then you could find yourself over the limit and get nothing despite getting something if the income was under another name.

end of the road

a

uch wrote: »

And you should add to this, theres no such thing as a free house, regardless of what certain simpletons think, even a single mother with one child in council accommodation pays rent, regardless of how little, they still pay Rent

absolutely correct.

Jodotman

Jodotman wrote: »

Others are mothers with children given a practically free house and thing been a full time Mum is a job should be f**ked off the dole.
.

What about women who are widowed?
What about women who stayed at home to raise their kids & the father decided to Feck off and leave them?
What about them?

Jodotman

end of the road wrote: »

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absolutely correct.

From free money. I wouldn't class it as rent. Are they paying 1100 a month for somewhere decent to live?

bubblypop wrote: »

What about women who are widowed?
What about women who stayed at home to raise their kids & the father decided to Feck off and leave them?
What about them?

Widowed - no problem with that.
Father fecked off? Well thats the womens fault. Have a stable income before having kids.

kittensmittens

Widdershins wrote: »

I've just remembered. A boyfriend of mine was on the dole years ago. He'd been self employed for a while and signed on when work dried up. His money was cut off at one point because according to the Social Welfare people he had been working while drawing the dole. He had not been working at all. I never found out who reported him falsely.
Please be absolutely certain of your facts if you really think you must report someone.

Its funny, this topic!
A friend of mine(albeit not close any more due to following story) is a primary teacher and on baby number 6.....yes 6!! Cant remember the last time she did a year(and from what she told me, they plan their babies, yes they, her and the other female teachers in the school, to take best advantage of the leave, so much so its almost like they are on rotation. Bit of a joke among the parents at this stage)

Anyway, I was out of work after the recession hit for almost a year, despite every best effort.
Really is a true saying....you get to know who your friends are.
I had a lot of friends in the civil service, teachers, a nurse and ironically someone who worked for the DSP.
I became a social outcast among them. I was ON THE DOLE!! URGH!!
Jaysus, I nearly bought a bell
Sly remarks made and all round general sense of disdain. Gave me a real insight into the folks who cant be sacked ;)

Anyway, about 2 months before I recommenced employment, I was reported. Very unpleasant when you depend on the meagre amount received.
I later was given, not a name but an indication, of who it was that likely reported me.
They had somewhat of a reputation for it, didn't matter if you were genuine or not. They didn't like you.....reported and money stopped and they laughed about it.

brooke 2

jimgoose wrote: »

I'm of a right-wing persuasion and I would be of the view that some poor bastard stuck in the dole rut earning a few extra tenners on the side so he and his family can live half-decently at least occasionally should be left to it.

Especially when you see how Leo and his ilk can be awarded pay rises of thousands per year! That combined with a 'turning up to work' allowance, as well as other expenses - as far as I am concerned, that is the great scandal. :mad:

Irish Guitarist

I don't get why people on this forum are so eager to appear as uptight and nosy as possible. It's like a forum full of Dot Cottons.

suicide_circus

What about those on line parents allowance who live with their partner?

Clampdown

Jodotman wrote: »

From free money. I wouldn't class it as rent. Are they paying 1100 a month for somewhere decent to live?



Widowed - no problem with that.
Father fecked off? Well thats the womens fault. Have a stable income before having kids.

It's the woman's fault that a father abandons his family?
You, my friend, are a piece of work. It's people like you that allow psychos like Trump to become world leaders.

the_pen_turner

Clampdown wrote: »

It's the woman's fault that a father abandons his family?
You, my friend, are a piece of work. It's people like you that allow psychos like Trump to become world leaders.

I think that he means that the wife became too dependant on the husband. When that husband left she had no way to feed herself

steddyeddy

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Yes I would

As Cilla Black herself said surpriseeee surpriseee!

Tasden

end of the road wrote: »

while i do know the type of people you are talking about, most stay at home mothers are interested in parenting their children, so it will be a full time job.

While I absolutely agree with you here (and I couldn't be a stay at he mother if you paid me because I'd go insane!), if their full time job is staying at home they are not entitled to claim jobseekers which is a payment for those looking for their full time job. If someone's intention is to remain at home to mind the kids then they shouldn't be claiming a payment for those genuinely looking for work.

Also in relation to the posts about rent being paid and the council house not being free, some would argue that if they are paying that rent from their social welfare payment as oppossed to from a wage, then it is a free house as the money they are receiving is "free money".

steddyeddy

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I don't get why people on this forum are so eager to appear as uptight and nosy as possible. It's like a forum full of Dot Cottons.

Likely some sense of anger in their own life directed at the bottom rung of problems in society.

Ben Gadot

Nah I'm not a rat.

If it's a stranger, none of my business.

If it's a friend or family, I'd express concern that they'll eventually might be caught and have to bare the consequences.

That's it, I wouldn't have an interest in actively seeking to make someone's life harder even if they are taking the piss.

They're piss takers in my job but the way I see it, they only get away with what they can. I blame the system for allowing it more than the individual. Same with welfare.

The Raptor

I wanted to so many times. My mother used to have a cash in hand job and would expect housekeeping of me. While she turned around and supported my three grown brothers who didn't have to pay anything while they drank their wages and got handouts from my mother. If she didn't have her cash in hand job, she might just turn to my brothers for their bit. She made life hell for me if I questioned it or tried to stand up for myself but she turned around and refused to take keep of my brother who waved money in her face. He realised it wasn't free to feed him. There was something so wrong with how unfair it was but she would have made life hell for me if she knew i reported her. It wasn't worth reporting. It's still happening at home even though I'm gone. The brother left at home has no incentive to work. He has a job years ago but he left it, i think he realised he didn't have to work. He has a roof over his head, food and other things, including cigarettes provided for him. He got my sister to buy him a car one year, it was a cheap run down car that he apparently needed to get out of the village to get work. But it was to show off to his mates. His dole money for drink. I don't live there, it doesn't affect me but that whole situation was and is taking the mickey.

Walter H Price

Ferrari3600 wrote: »

Hmm. Posted at 11:50 on a weekday morning.

Were you on a day off work?

was actually off sick the last two days but i would usually have board's open anyway , i work in social media marketing

andekwarhola

If you want to report somebody, you shouldn't be allowed to be anonymous.

After all, if you feel so strongly about it, it would be easy to stand by your convictions?

Foxhound38

mahoganygas wrote: »

I know somebody close to me who hasn't worked since finishing school. He has spent the best part of a decade on various courses (unfinished), schemes, and applying for jobs that he is guaranteed not to get.

He has no intention of working and will be quite honest about this. But he will do jobs on the side as they arrise.

He is a family member so I would not report him.

I have to bite my tongue every time he gives out about our 'corrupt government' who doesn't care about the working class. I have to leave the room when he says he's heading out to collect his 'wages' then comes back with fags, lotto tickets and take aways.

It's getting harder and harder to stay quiet.

I cancelled plans with him one day as I had just worked a 50 hour week and needed a night to just relax in front of the telly. I nearly went for him when he said 'ah sure you're always tired'.

Separately, the system is very broken if this level of abuse is allowed.

That makes me angry just reading it :mad:

Report his lazy arse, wait for the Social to come down on him like a tonne of bricks and then he'll see how hard people have to work to supply his "wages" when he's sitting taking orders in a McDonalds drive thru because they cut him off.

Could be the best thing that has ever happened to him.

Foxhound38

Joshua J wrote: »

Jesus people on boards think the countries "problems" begin and end with the unemployed. They don't actually have stomach for change because if they did they'd want to start at the top and work their way down but they want to start at the bottom and stay there. They only want those they look down on to feel their wrath. Don't get me started on "breaking the law". Didnt bould Bertie do nixxers left right and centre and when cornered said he won it on the nags and ye still blow smoke up his jacksie. The law aint blind it's for sale. Breaking the law, give me a break.

Balls - that's whataboutery of the highest order.

A crime is a crime, and those who are scamming the social are reducing the amount in the pot for genuine cases. If you actually contributed to society and paid taxes, I'd imagine you would understand why people stealing public money meant as a leg up to the vulnerable is a problem for most people.

pilly

Tasden wrote: »

Just in case anybody is put off taking up temp work by this post, you can actually inform your social welfare office that the work is temporary and they will suspend your payment rather than close it. So once the contract is finished you don't have to re apply you just go back in and they start it back up again fairly quickly. Especially around Christmas time, I think they allow something like 12 weeks before the claim is closed as they know that Christmas contracts are only short term.

Oh that's good news so. Wasn't like that the last time I was on social welfare but that would have been a good while ago.

Wanderer78

Depends on the situation but generally no. The root causes of long-term unemployment are very complex but welfare fraud is wrong. Yes there's a paradox

pilly

The Raptor wrote: »

I wanted to so many times. My mother used to have a cash in hand job and would expect housekeeping of me. While she turned around and supported my three grown brothers who didn't have to pay anything while they drank their wages and got handouts from my mother. If she didn't have her cash in hand job, she might just turn to my brothers for their bit. She made life hell for me if I questioned it or tried to stand up for myself but she turned around and refused to take keep of my brother who waved money in her face. He realised it wasn't free to feed him. There was something so wrong with how unfair it was but she would have made life hell for me if she knew i reported her. It wasn't worth reporting. It's still happening at home even though I'm gone. The brother left at home has no incentive to work. He has a job years ago but he left it, i think he realised he didn't have to work. He has a roof over his head, food and other things, including cigarettes provided for him. He got my sister to buy him a car one year, it was a cheap run down car that he apparently needed to get out of the village to get work. But it was to show off to his mates. His dole money for drink. I don't live there, it doesn't affect me but that whole situation was and is taking the mickey.

So you would report your own mother only for you're afraid?? Rotten attitude.

Widdershins

Tasden wrote: »

While I absolutely agree with you here (and I couldn't be a stay at he mother if you paid me because I'd go insane!), if their full time job is staying at home they are not entitled to claim jobseekers which is a payment for those looking for their full time job. If someone's intention is to remain at home to mind the kids then they shouldn't be claiming a payment for those genuinely looking for work.

Also in relation to the posts about rent being paid and the council house not being free, some would argue that if they are paying that rent from their social welfare payment as oppossed to from a wage, then it is a free house as the money they are receiving is "free money".

There was a campaign to extend the early childcare payment (?) to stay at home parents before the budget.

pilly

kittensmittens wrote: »

Its funny, this topic!
A friend of mine(albeit not close any more due to following story) is a primary teacher and on baby number 6.....yes 6!! Cant remember the last time she did a year(and from what she told me, they plan their babies, yes they, her and the other female teachers in the school, to take best advantage of the leave, so much so its almost like they are on rotation. Bit of a joke among the parents at this stage)

Anyway, I was out of work after the recession hit for almost a year, despite every best effort.
Really is a true saying....you get to know who your friends are.
I had a lot of friends in the civil service, teachers, a nurse and ironically someone who worked for the DSP.
I became a social outcast among them. I was ON THE DOLE!! URGH!!
Jaysus, I nearly bought a bell
Sly remarks made and all round general sense of disdain. Gave me a real insight into the folks who cant be sacked ;)

Anyway, about 2 months before I recommenced employment, I was reported. Very unpleasant when you depend on the meagre amount received.
I later was given, not a name but an indication, of who it was that likely reported me.
They had somewhat of a reputation for it, didn't matter if you were genuine or not. They didn't like you.....reported and money stopped and they laughed about it.

What horrible friends, and what a horrible person who reported you.

The Raptor

pilly wrote: »

So you would report your own mother only for you're afraid?? Rotten attitude.

What's rotten about the attitude? Going against my mother? Never mind that she done everything for her boys but hated me as a daughter. You don't know what it was like living in a house like that, you never had a mother's love or support. Or that I'm afraid to report her?

idnkph

I'm amazed that people would have no problem ratting on people taking advantage of a system that doesn't work.
Reporting people will not fix the system.
It's also amazing that the people who have no problem reporting were more than likely no where to be seen during protests against this government that rip more people off and will continue to do so for years to pay bankers etc for their eff ups.
All the people living off the social and earning a few Bob extra will NEVER rip us tax payers off to the extent our delightful government has and continue to do so.

idnkph

I'm amazed that people would have no problem ratting on people taking advantage of a system that doesn't work.
Reporting people will not fix the system.
It's also amazing that the people who have no problem reporting were more than likely no where to be seen during protests against this government that rip more people off and will continue to do so for years to pay bankers etc for their eff ups.
All the people living off the social and earning a few Bob extra will NEVER rip us tax payers off to the extent our delightful government has and continue to do so.

The Raptor

pilly wrote: »

So you would report your own mother only for you're afraid?? Rotten attitude.

If she wanted to support her grown boys, she can but not expect others to do it. It wasn't my brothers fault for getting away without paying their share. My mother encouraged it and refused to take money of them. What was so wrong with getting a 450euro per week job and supporting them herself. It was what she was getting on the dole, cash in hand and housekeeping from myself and my sister.

And before someone says that I was trying to get away with a free ride as well, what was wrong with paying because obviously mammy did everything for me. I had to buy my own food and pay up for the bills as my housekeeping. My housekeeping money wasn't for me.

Gael23

Unlikely. Things like that often come back to haunt you inadvertently

steddyeddy

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Balls - that's whataboutery of the highest order.

A crime is a crime, and those who are scamming the social are reducing the amount in the pot for genuine cases. If you actually contributed to society and paid taxes, I'd imagine you would understand why people stealing public money meant as a leg up to the vulnerable is a problem for most people.

Do you report suspicions of tax fraud, cooking the books and/or violations in planning permission?

Randle P. McMurphy

No. I'm not a low life.

Leo goes to a conference on creating an inclusive labour market. Instead of contibuting something positive he puts the emphasis on 'spongers'. He's seen how successful Trump has been appealing to the deplorables. He's a smart cookie is Leo. Cynical, but smart.

Foxhound38

idnkph wrote: »

I'm amazed that people would have no problem ratting on people taking advantage of a system that doesn't work.
Reporting people will not fix the system.
It's also amazing that the people who have no problem reporting were more than likely no where to be seen during protests against this government that rip more people off and will continue to do so for years to pay bankers etc for their eff ups.
All the people living off the social and earning a few Bob extra will NEVER rip us tax payers off to the extent our delightful government has and continue to do so.

I was wondering when the pious protester brigade would show up.

Unless it's about abolishing the USC (which is a tax on productivity), I have no interest in joining the crusty brigade. Generally the fact that they hold their protests at a time when I'm most likely working hard is something of a contributing factor, as is the fact that I once missed a flight because they decided to block traffic by sitting in front of cars in O'Connell Street during rush hour - another thing that makes me suspect that many of them have never worked a hard days graft in their lives.

Macy0161

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

Leo goes to a conference on creating an inclusive labour market. Instead of contibuting something positive he puts the emphasis on 'spongers'. He's seen how successful Trump has been appealing to the deplorables. He's a smart cookie is Leo. Cynical, but smart.

Politicians appeal to their base. Just the same as AAA/PBP feed the entitlement culture we have.

Not everyone on the dole is a sponger, but that doesn't mean that there aren't spongers on the dole.

Foxhound38

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

No. I'm not a low life.

Leo goes to a conference on creating an inclusive labour market. Instead of contibuting something positive he puts the emphasis on 'spongers'. He's seen how successful Trump has been appealing to the deplorables. He's a smart cookie is Leo. Cynical, but smart.

What is "low life" about not being happy about people scamming welfare money, reducing the amount in the pot for genuine cases?

noodler

Its money that could be going on childcare or more teachers,gardai etc.

Wanderer78

Foxhound38 wrote:

I was wondering when the pious protester brigade would show up.

They have a point though, we've effectively legalised fraudulent behaviour in our financial systems, the fallout effects everybody negatively in particular the working classes

steddyeddy

Foxhound38 wrote: »

What is "low life" about not being happy about people scamming welfare money, reducing the amount in the pot for genuine cases?

noodler wrote: »

Its money that could be going on childcare or more teachers,gardai etc.

I'll repeat "Do you report suspicions of tax fraud, cooking the books and/or violations in planning permission?"

The first two are examples of money lost which is far in excess of that lost by dole fiddling.

steddyeddy

Macy0161 wrote: »

Politicians appeal to their base. Just the same as AAA/PBP feed the entitlement culture we have.

Not everyone on the dole is a sponger, but that doesn't mean that there aren't spongers on the dole.

There are scroungers on the dole but the focus on the problem correlates negatively to the proportion of people doing it.

OldNotWIse

Yup, in a heartbeat. BTW OP the new "poor and downtrodden" are the ones who work all week and have fúck all disposable income left for themselves by the time the government has finished raping their salaries in order to pay for their dole.

noodler

noodler wrote: »

Its money that could be going on childcare or more teachers,gardai etc.

It could. Though one might observe that it could be going on more public sector pay, more towards bank debts and so on. Either way, it's money that of course should not be paid out, I just don't see myself as part of the detection process needed to assist those in the public sector paid to detect it.

steddyeddy

noodler wrote: »

Its money that could be going on childcare or more teachers,gardai etc.

If we make bad teachers more sack-able it will mean more money for those who need it.

Wanderer78

OldNotWIse wrote:

Yup, in a heartbeat. BTW OP the new "poor and downtrodden" are the ones who work all week and have fúck all disposable income left for themselves by the time the government has finished raping their salaries in order to pay for SW.

It's a lot more complicated than that

steddyeddy

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Yup, in a heartbeat. BTW OP the new "poor and downtrodden" are the ones who work all week and have fúck all disposable income left for themselves by the time the government has finished raping their salaries in order to pay for their dole.

And they're the working classes of our society but you cannot blame the dole for that.

melon_collie

Social Welfare is there to help people who need help. Most people at some point in their lives will go through some kind of difficulty work wise whether it is being out of work sick, being unemployed or made redundant. The SW is there to help those people. But if you've got a guy/girl who chooses to remain unemployed or 'fiddle' the system then of course he/she should be reported.

As far as I'm concerned he/she is stealing money from the state which could be put to other uses such as carers allowance, the elderly, etc. In other words it could be given to help those who really need it.

Wanderer78

steddyeddy wrote:

If we make bad teachers more sack-able it will mean more money for those who need it.

I 've always liked Chomskys use of the word, 'worker insecurity'