Werewolf V - Election Fever - GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS

WerewolfGM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Good morning, tis a Mr. Well, last time I checked.

Should we have gotten an email about roles yet? Cause at the moment I dont exist it seems.

Check your PMs, role should be there.

The_Valeyard

WerewolfGM wrote: »

Check your PMs, role should be there.

Cheers, will have a look now

tritium

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Good morning, tis a Mr. Well, last time I checked.

Should we have gotten an email about roles yet? Cause at the moment I dont exist it seems.

Haha i considered asking you which wolfey role you got this time!

Guffy

andy125 wrote: »

1 is more general while 3 is specicallly targeting each poster 1 by 1 and then running 2 or lynching one stand out candidate

Of the two i prefer 3. I don't think there is any value in going for 1. Also i think that racing people allows the wolves to hide in a majority.

crosstownk

andy125 wrote: »

Totally agree, we always start off arguing during the lynch how we should choose are lynch process




2. Vote for who you think is a wolf without telling the village - leaves the Wolf's uncertain on how to approach lynching which could provide mistakes and tells, dangerous from a villagers point of view as the village could lynch a roled player on their team without given them the chance to convince the village of their innocence

This could be a good approach for the reasons that you outline and makes a change from the race scenarios of previous games. Whether it's for the best is unkown but we'll see.

suffering golfer wrote: »

Make sure to put up different players also for races also. Jay was up every time against a random. Which didnt work out well. Make sure to involve the less active posters in the races also to get a feel for how they react. Basically, the opposite of game 2.

If we do decide on a race then I agree - no point in constantly putting up the same player day after day because if we're going to that route then we might as well lynch the 'constant' candidate and be done with it now. Different candidates and we can analyse their defence.

Guffy

gufc21 wrote: »

Of the two i prefer 3. I don't think there is any value in going for 1. Also i think that racing people allows the wolves to hide in a majority.

... sorry i can't edit. I think everyone should have to put up a reason for who they voted too. I think thats the best way to flush out the badies. Even if its "early days random vote" votes are public and should be backed by a reason

cdaly_

gufc21 wrote: »

Are 1 and 3 not essentially the same? Either way my preference would be for 3, but if we have solid reasons (other than post count) i don't mind racing people.

Trouble with 3 is when somebody is asked "Have you a role?". Are they not immediately a target for the munch? OTOH, they're also a candidate for protection.

Which trumps the other?... :P

Nopeare

Right I think it is between 3 systems then. Also I couldn't see it in the original post will the mods be publishing votes?

Free vote - Post reasoning on thread
Free vote - No reasoning on thread (post reasons post vote)
Race

I actually wouldn't mind a mix, have a free vote for the first 1/2 nights maybe with no reasons as you will might see some grouping then move to races and watch patterns.

degrassinoel
y0ssar1an22
andy125
Deleted User
tritium
cee_jay
Mollyb60 - Free Vote with reason
Nopeare
The_Valeyard
crosstownk
Stoogie
AnLachaCorcra
CDaly - noob
Grumpylumpy
Jayop
Uriel
Mahamageehad
Suffering Golfer
Paddy Cow
Gufc21 - Free Vote with reason
Barney92
Sullivlo

Guffy

cdaly_ wrote: »

Trouble with 3 is when somebody is asked "Have you a role?". Are they not immediately a target for the munch? OTOH, they're also a candidate for protection.

Which trumps the other?... :P

That's fair, but tbh i wasnt forecasting for peop to be that silly... there are def negatives for each one in isolation. Thats why personally i think an open vote supported with a reason is best. Allow people to put arguments forward in order to sway people but two people randomly raced, as i have said in other games, isn't my favorite.

I mean if we have two hot favourites for the lynch, then sure, but i think picking someone for the sake of it is dangerous and uninformative. What if we pick Hilary by mistake? That being said we have the same chance of accidently selecting trump i think....

tritium

Im fine with the idea of races but i think we should agree and then use the time we have to lynch trying to make some reasonable inference on who to race. Maybe set a cutoff for agreeing race candidates of 3bhours before lynch

My thinking is while a starting munch is usually more random than others a starting lynch need not be. There should be information seeping out that we can use, we just need to spot it

crosstownk

This might be a silly question but there's nothing in the OP stating that votes will be revealed after lynch. Can WWGM confirm this? Or is this a potential twist?

tritium

Just to note obviously if we do that infernce step then the silent free vote becomes less useful as an option - id hope in the time to first lynch we can find some initial information to guide the village

WerewolfGM

Votes will be revealed after a lynch.

tritium

crosstownk wrote: »

This might be a silly question but there's nothing in the OP stating that votes will be revealed after lynch. Can WWGM confirm this? Or is this a potential twist?

Actually a good point. Given hillarys possible 2 votes later on its not clear how this will be handled

tritium

Another though on that- with hillary we have an extra seer peek. Could be very useful, especially if a wolf is peeked, but on thebother hand revealing is would lose the sherrif ability for the village if hillary is munched.

Mollyb60

1. Lynch race - run 2/3 people for voting based on suspicions given by the other
villagers - this is the most simple way of doing it, in past games it doesn't
work at the start but provides data towards the end of the game this option is
more for the long run without instant results

This is the usual way we've been going with votes. Which, while it worked sometimes, I think is useless at the start. You're basically picking 2 random people and having them fight it out. If they're 2 villagers you're just wasting time. Bad guys will have an easy time just picking random sides and it will provide no concrete information for later in the game.

2. Vote for who you think is a wolf without telling the village - leaves the
Wolf's uncertain on how to approach lynching which could provide mistakes and
tells, dangerous from a villagers point of view as the village could lynch a
roled player on their team without given them the chance to convince the village
of their innocence

Secret voting I don't think is a goer. Especially this early. With no one being able to directly address the reasons people are giving for voting for them, you're just shooting fish in a barrel. Reasons have to be given before the lynch, otherwise the wolves can just vote for anyone.

3. Each player interviews each other with a bunch of general questions or
questioning posts they have made to find any tells or mistakes - could be hard
to pull off with some players not being as active but could also lead to
valuable information by getting information from posters that would not be there
without this method

This actually isn't a bad idea for later in the game. However I think at this point there's no evidence from anyone that we can go on. None of us have Tigger's powers of insight so unless everyone answered all the questions we'd still be at a loss. We could get everyone to answer questions and those who don't respond could be put up for lynch? You're starting to target low posters again though which I think is unfair.

cdaly_

tritium wrote: »

Another though on that- with hillary we have an extra seer peek. Could be very useful, especially if a wolf is peeked, but on thebother hand revealing is would lose the sherrif ability for the village if hillary is munched.

The Rules wrote:

1 x Hillary Clinton - Hillary is working on her own. But she is part of the village team. She will get one peek in the hope of finding an ally in the village.

So Hillary gets only one peek. If she finds an ally, do they get a back room for plotting or does she just know somebody will argue on her behalf in a lynch race?

AnLachaCorcra

For what it's worth I think having a free vote at the start is the way to go, with everybody explaining their pick.

Later on when the village might realistically have somethin to go on we can worry about racing the likely candidates.

cdaly_

cdaly_ wrote: »

So Hillary gets only one peek. If she finds an ally, do they get a back room for plotting or does she just know somebody will argue on her behalf in a lynch race?

She must get something like a back room or she has no way of identifying herself to an ally.

Or is this just an opportunity for her to find something out and the 'ally' thing is a blind?

tritium

cdaly_ wrote: »

So Hillary gets only one peek. If she finds an ally, do they get a back room for plotting or does she just know somebody will argue on her behalf in a lynch race?

Good question. Id be inclined not to look for mods to clarify yet though. The less certainty the wolves have the better.

WerewolfGM

tritium wrote: »

Actually a good point. Given hillarys possible 2 votes later on its not clear how this will be handled

Don't worry, we have this covered if and when it happens.

Mollyb60

AnLachaCorcra wrote: »

For what it's worth I think having a free vote at the start is the way to go, with everybody explaining their pick.

Later on when the village might realistically have somethin to go on we can worry about racing the likely candidates.

I have taught you well grasshopper (please don't be evil!)

crosstownk

tritium wrote: »

Id be inclined not to look for mods to clarify yet though.

Agreed. We don't need to know that right now.

Guffy

Can see today being a very slow day with no real action until tomorrow night

y0ssar1an22

"An unknown Mystic was found who said they specialised in finding those who were infected by Lycanthropy. The gene that turned normal appearing villagers into blood sucking Werewolves at night."

quick question for mods...is this referring to the vigilante/lee harvey or the seer? or someone else?

Uriel.

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

"An unknown Mystic was found who said they specialised in finding those who were infected by Lycanthropy. The gene that turned normal appearing villagers into blood sucking Werewolves at night."

quick question for mods...is this referring to the vigilante/lee harvey or the seer? or someone else?

seer I'd say.

Barney92

Uriel. wrote: »

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

"An unknown Mystic was found who said they specialised in finding those who were infected by Lycanthropy. The gene that turned normal appearing villagers into blood sucking Werewolves at night."

quick question for mods...is this referring to the vigilante/lee harvey or the seer? or someone else?

seer I'd say.

Yeah, I'd agree here. Almost certainly the seer.
I'm also on the free vote side for the start at least. I don't mind if we do reasoning before or after the lynch, but we need to get some reason from each person, even if it is something flimsy.

sullivlo

crosstownk 11
tritium 8
cdaly_ 8
Mollyb60 6
gufc21 6
Uriel. 5
y0ssar1an22 5
suffering golfer 4
andy125 4
Nopeare 3
Jayop 3
The_Valeyard 3
mahamageehad 1
Barney92 1
cee_jay 1
AnLachaCorcra 1
sullivlo 1

Yet to post:
degrassinoel
MicksJaguar
Stoogie
Grumpylumpy
Paddy Cow

Just keeping myself entertained :pac:

Anything else to discuss? Can't even think about tasks because there's not enough posts (despite crosstownks best efforts - taking over from Tigger?) to really think about that.

Any craic? Any weekend plans?

Mollyb60

Fantastic. Just realised the first lynch is Saturday night when me and Mr Molly will be at the Ireland vs Canada game in Dublin. We'll have to get our votes in early before we leave for the match.

cee_jay

cdaly_ wrote: »

She must get something like a back room or she has no way of identifying herself to an ally.

Or is this just an opportunity for her to find something out and the 'ally' thing is a blind?

Does the ally find out who Hilary is? Or is it Hilary just knows that player is a villager?

Mollyb60

Was just thinking there, has a bad guy EVER been the first lynch? I actually think I might be the only one from the last game. God damn you Tigger!!!

cee_jay

I'm just catching up on the thread - was working down the country earlier today, so only just reached the office now.

So we have until 9pm tomorrow evening to come to a consensus on how to deal with the first vote? I would vote for lynch race. There is no point going for those with low post counts - if someone hasn't posted at all, they might just get mod killed anyway.

sullivlo

cee_jay wrote: »

I'm just catching up on the thread - was working down the country earlier today, so only just reached the office now.

So we have until 9pm tomorrow evening to come to a consensus on how to deal with the first vote? I would vote for lynch race. There is no point going for those with low post counts - if someone hasn't posted at all, they might just get mod killed anyway.

Yeah, I'm just bored, hence listing the posters.

Uriel.

Mollyb60 wrote: »

Fantastic. Just realised the first lynch is Saturday night when me and Mr Molly will be at the Ireland vs Canada game in Dublin. We'll have to get our votes in early before we leave for the match.

You guys are going to have to be extra careful not to give something away to each other, just in case one of you has a role/on opposing teams...

WerewolfGM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

"An unknown Mystic was found who said they specialised in finding those who were infected by Lycanthropy. The gene that turned normal appearing villagers into blood sucking Werewolves at night."

quick question for mods...is this referring to the vigilante/lee harvey or the seer? or someone else?

It is the Seer, having abilities to "discover" roles

Mollyb60

Uriel. wrote: »

Mollyb60 wrote: »

Fantastic. Just realised the first lynch is Saturday night when me and Mr Molly will be at the Ireland vs Canada game in Dublin. We'll have to get our votes in early before we leave for the match.

You guys are going to have to be extra careful not to give something away to each other, just in case one of you has a role/on opposing teams...

You shoulda seen us on the bus into work this morning! Holding our phones away from each other so we couldn't peek at the other's PM. We've already discussed how to sit on the couch so we won't oversee each other's screens. So much logistics! I want this to work though so there'll be no cheating.

andy125

do we need a slow start or can we start the game proper tonight with a lynch if everyone has posted and understands before 9?

cee_jay

andy125 wrote: »

do we need a slow start or can we start the game proper tonight with a lynch if everyone has posted and understands before 9?

If this happens can it be decided shortly please?
Meeting friends at 5:30 for dinner, so won't be able to post after 5pm until much later tonight.

WerewolfGM

andy125 wrote: »

do we need a slow start or can we start the game proper tonight with a lynch if everyone has posted and understands before 9?

Not everyone has posted. We need the 5 noobs to be comfortable with the game.

sullivlo

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

very good morning (or afternoon now?)mr* valeyard. i am well, are you well?

*apologies if its a mrs

Are you still awaiting confirmation of Vales gender? :pac:

Jayop

OK I never played a game that started with a Lynch before so that's something new. No harm anyway, but it will be a shot in the dark unless someone slips up badly or we spot the Trump challenge.

One thing we really need to avoid is a huge bandwagon on one person for a stupid reason. It's crazy and almost certainly allows the wolves to hide as the chances of getting that lucky on turn 1 are pretty much nil.

Personally I'd be in favour of a hidden vote that everyone says nothing and we make our own choice then justify it after the kill. Wolves hate that **** because they panic if they don't know if they're at risk and won't chance a sneaky vote on another wolf.

The only risk is killing a pv but at this stage it's unlikely.

y0ssar1an22

sullivlo wrote: »

Are you still awaiting confirmation of Vales gender? :pac:

no i am not, thank you very much. mr vale very kindly cleared that up for me.

he's a male btw

y0ssar1an22

another query for the mods...."There will be some twists tied into the number 5 in the game"

can you guys shed any sort of light on this? or anyone have any ideas on what it means?

y0ssar1an22

another query for the mods...."There will be some twists tied into the number 5 in the game"

can you guys shed any sort of light on this? or anyone have any ideas on what it means?

crosstownk

sullivlo wrote: »

despite crosstownks best efforts - taking over from Tigger?

Any craic? Any weekend plans?

I don't think I'll ever posses Tiggers ability to spot roles

I'll have a few pints tonight. No other weekend plans after that.

On the blind/secret vote thing. I'm up for it simply because I don't think we've done it before and as Jayop said, it won't be of any benefit to the wolves.

cee_jay

Jayop's blind voting makes sense when put like that. What happens if there is a draw in the lynch vote?

Jayop

cee_jay wrote: »

Jayop's blind voting makes sense when put like that. What happens if there is a draw in the lynch vote?

Depends on the mod, nothing in the OP about it. When I run games I always have the last vote as the tie breaker but others do the first vote and in some games they even run off the people who are tied in a fresh vote against each other.

Could probably do with that being clarified.

Uriel.

crosstownk wrote: »

On the blind/secret vote thing. I'm up for it simply because I don't think we've done it before and as Jayop said, it won't be of any benefit to the wolves.

I concur with jayop and cross, especially given the lynch precedes the first munch.

As it stands so far, I'd be just picking a name out of hat anyway.

WerewolfGM

WerewolfGM wrote: »

In the event of a tie in the lynch voting, voting will reopen for another 30 minutes to see if a decision can be reached. If after 30 minutes there is still no outright winner, then the last vote received will be the tie breaker

Tut, tut!!!

Uriel.

cee_jay wrote: »

Jayop's blind voting makes sense when put like that. What happens if there is a draw in the lynch vote?

Jayop wrote: »

Depends on the mod, nothing in the OP about it. When I run games I always have the last vote as the tie breaker but others do the first vote and in some games they even run off the people who are tied in a fresh vote against each other.

Could probably do with that being clarified.

Tie Breaker Rules

In the event of a tie in the lynch voting, voting will reopen for another 30 minutes to see if a decision can be reached. If after 30 minutes there is still no outright winner, then the last vote received will be the tie breaker