New petrol car ~150bhp

CIP4

I wouldn't be mad about the newer mercs at all if anything I preferred the look of the old model C class.

As for the size element I don't know I always thought my Megane was a grand size but having gone to the A4 I like the way it's a little bigger. I do ferry people around some of the time but to be fair most of the time I am in it on my own. Hard to describe but I would feel like I was going backwards to get a small daily driver.

Some of the more out there suggestions I should have really said this at the start my current A4 does 43mpg so I don't mind taking a bit of a hit on this I would be looking for something that will do late 30's. As the km distance I cover in a month is fluctuating a good bit but if I do a lot of driving in a month I don't really want to turn around and have to put 300-400 euro in petrol in it. Same with servicing and tyres/brakes etc. Plus I would be hoping to keep my ridiculously high insurance cost to around the same as what it is now.

As I said while I intend on keeping this a long time it won't necessarily be the only car I will have down the road anyway. So I am ultimately not looking for a sport car just a good daily driver with adequate power to overtake something and a decent spec.

Thanks for all the suggestions so far there is a lot of cars I never thought of there.

CIP4

Anyone know much about that 150bhp 1.4tsi engine in the b9.

As far as I know they are a good engine well fine tuned at this stage I know the earlier ones in 07 gave some bother with chains etc this would of been back when they were 122,140,170 bhp. Just a load of other dealers and people ar saying oh they are unreliable but I recon most are just basing it on the early ones issues. Actually I must find out if the 150 has a chain ?

Then of course I am getting a lot of are you crazy looking at a petrol A4 absolute madness you will lose massive money on them. The way I see it is at least they have already lost 9-10k before I buy one. But they are never going to be worth as much as a diesel but I don't think they will be as bad at holding their value as is made out.

bazz26

I'd say alot of them are saying that because they either don't have one to sell you or it's easier for them to sell you another diesel version.

Boards member - tippman1 on here I think has a B9 1.4tsi.

CIP4

bazz26 wrote: »

I'd say alot of them are saying that because they either don't have one to sell you or it's easier for them to sell you another diesel version.

Boards member - tippman1 on here I think has a B9 1.4tsi.

You are probably right.

I was onto tippman he was very helpful. He likes his one a lot anyway and he had an A3 1.4tsi 140 before it too. He is getting fairly good economy from his one on longer trips.

CIP4

I am still looking at my options while I would love an A4 I am kind of getting cold feet about spending 33k on one. So looking in the early 20k demo car bracket I have 2 options titanium focus 1.0T 125bhp some reviews have said they are slow and only doing 30mpg which would put me off anyone any experience on them ?

The other probably better option is a Leon FR 1.4tsi. This one stands out to me. Great value for money you are getting an essentially new car with decent spec for 22k. What puts me off it is its 125bhp it's beyond me why they didn't put the 150bhp engine in it I can't understand it. So is that going to feel very slow compared to my 2.0tdi 143 A4. Granted on paper it's quicker to 60mph but torque is only 200Nm which seems tiny. I am not looking for a race car but I don't want something that feels dead. The other worry is its ultimately a petrol Leon does that mean it will just depreciate Seriously quick I would be planning on keeping it a good few years but still.

http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/SEAT/Leon-1.4-TSI-FR-125PS/8566097857935584452

So if anyone has any opinions on either car I would like to hear them the other option of course is to keep my A4 and put up with any repair costs.

GustavoFring

If you're tempted by a Leon wait until the facelift comes in. They might out the 150 engine in it then, and the replacement 1.5 isn't far away either.

What about a golf with the 1.4tsi? Should be a few of them around.

bear1

Fiat 500 abarth or a Giulietta cloverleaf ☺

CIP4

GustavoFring wrote: »

If you're tempted by a Leon wait until the facelift comes in. They might out the 150 engine in it then, and the replacement 1.5 isn't far away either.

What about a golf with the 1.4tsi? Should be a few of them around.

They are about 26k brand new for a Leon FR so I wouldn't buy brand new just a demo so it's really a year old one I would be buying 161.

I was looking and there is no mk7 golfs in 1.4tsi used its unreal. TBH I would go over the early 20k mark as other wise I am too close to the price of the A4. At least this way I can trade my A4 put a couple of k with it and then take out a small HP loan over a short period. I know you weren't a fan of the current Leon but plenty seem to think they are a good car when you consider the price.

CIP4

bear1 wrote: »

Fiat 500 abarth or a Giulietta cloverleaf ☺

Leon would be the absolute smallest I would go size wise.

bear1

http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Alfa-Romeo/Giulietta-VELOCE-M-AIR-TB-170-BHP/200914622873938780

And

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-abarth-500-1-4-turbo-petrol-low-mileage/13896273

CIP4

bear1 wrote: »

http://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Alfa-Romeo/Giulietta-VELOCE-M-AIR-TB-170-BHP/200914622873938780

I am not a reg snob but one of the main reason I would be changing is for guaranteed reliability and a warranty so a year old is the most I would go that's a 4 year old car. Plus that Leon is a 161 but has 14km no mileage so essentially a new car.

bear1

CIP4 wrote: »

Leon would be the absolute smallest I would go size wise.

Giulietta would be a bit bigger than the Leon.
The one linked would be the 2nd most powerful engine before the cloverleaf one.

bear1

No such thing as guaranteed reliability tbh.
Fair enough.

CIP4

bear1 wrote: »

No such thing as guaranteed reliability tbh.
Fair enough.

Well an essentially brand new car with a manufacturers warranty is as close as you would get. I am not going to buy a 4 year old car for 17k and still have to potentially pay out for repairs I would cry. Realistically a new Leon is not going to breakdown and if it does it's seats problem not mine.

GustavoFring

If you're keeping the car a few years I gotta ask if you would grow out of a lower powered car like the Leon pretty quickly and possibly regret it?

ShadowHearth

CIP4 wrote: »

As for the fiesta/ Ibiza cupra I know they are great cars but they are just too small for me even though I know they are not that small in reality but just I couldn't go below Leon/golf/focus size.

The car doesn't have to have virtual cockpit as that would seriously narrow it down just my point is the A4 SE with tech pack has a serious amount of extras.

That Leon Cupra is a serious car pure animal. 2 issues with it for me is getting insure on it as I am young and then I have never been a massive fan of the interior on them would be a big step down compared with the B9.

The mk7 golf GTE I don't think you would get one for 33k not sure if there are many demos. As I said about the mk7 golf I like them but have never loved them.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

Just to come back to this.

Check insurance on it first. I though it would be bad, but after quick check up it actually shocked me.

Seat ibiza cupra 1.8t 192hp - 800eu
Seat leon cupra 2.0t 290hp - 1000eu
Seat leon cupra 2.0d 184hp - 1200eu

Go figure...
And honestly if you looking at focus size car, then leon is not smaller then focus. I bet you focus will cost more to insure too. I checked focus 2.0t St 131 reg and insurance came up on same website for 1500eu.

CIP4

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Just to come back to this.

Check insurance on it first. I though it would be bad, but after quick check up it actually shocked me.

Seat ibiza cupra 1.8t 192hp - 800eu
Seat leon cupra 2.0t 290hp - 1000eu
Seat leon cupra 2.0d 184hp - 1200eu

Go figure...
And honestly if you looking at focus size car, then leon is not smaller then focus. I bet you focus will cost more to insure too. I checked focus 2.0t St 131 reg and insurance came up on same website for 1500eu.

A 1.4 Leon should be cheaper to insure than my 2.0tdi A4 or at least the same insurance should be grand.

ShadowHearth

CIP4 wrote: »

A 1.4 Leon should be cheaper to insure than my 2.0tdi A4 or at least the same insurance should be grand.

If you looking at 1.4 petrol then I bet it will be. Right now it makes no sense and all more powerful petrol's are a lot cheaper to insure then diesels. I did some playing around with it before.
Seat has **** loads of great options to put. Getting a nice fr spec, with leather or those fancy sporty seats, all the seat links, winter packs and all other toys. Will be cheaper in the end and you could go brand new with 0% Apr. 33K on second hand audi will add you **** loads extra in Apr alone. Just food for though.

166man

CIP4 wrote: »

Well an essentially brand new car with a manufacturers warranty is as close as you would get. I am not going to buy a 4 year old car for 17k and still have to potentially pay out for repairs I would cry. Realistically a new Leon is not going to breakdown and if it does it's seats problem not mine.

Seriously? And I thought I was fussy about cars. :eek:

CIP4

166man wrote: »

Seriously? And I thought I was fussy about cars. :eek:

My point is why would I spend 17k on a car that is still secondhand 4 years old and is going to have issues. I keep my A4 which I owe nothing on and repair stuff that goes wrong or I buy a demo car with a manufacturers warranty that will be cheap to maintain.

I am not going to go and get finance on a 4 year old car. I mean I would cry if I was paying a loan and repair bills on a 4 year old car because that would make zero sense to me.

bear1

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/opel-mokka-sc-1-4t-140ps-fwd-manual/13957049

CIP4

bear1 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/opel-mokka-sc-1-4t-140ps-fwd-manual/13957049

That seems very cheap but I don't like them SUV elevated type vehicles. Unfortunately there are no new model Astra 1.4t demos available they would have been a good option.

bear1

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2016-ford-fiesta-st-3-1-6-ecoboost-180-price-drop/13847432

Or go nuts and get this.

CIP4

ShadowHearth wrote: »

If you looking at 1.4 petrol then I bet it will be. Right now it makes no sense and all more powerful petrol's are a lot cheaper to insure then diesels. I did some playing around with it before.
Seat has **** loads of great options to put. Getting a nice fr spec, with leather or those fancy sporty seats, all the seat links, winter packs and all other toys. Will be cheaper in the end and you could go brand new with 0% Apr. 33K on second hand audi will add you **** loads extra in Apr alone. Just food for though.

With the one I linked above I would be putting cash with my car and just taking out a small HP loan over 1-2 years so the interest will be only a couple of hundredh quid. So it still wouldn't justify buying brand new just for the 0% interest. I am happy to go with a demo once it's low mileage I would consider it new at that whereas I know some would need brand new to be happy.

166man

CIP4 wrote: »

My point is why would I spend 17k on a car that is still secondhand 4 years old and is going to have issues. I keep my A4 which I owe nothing on and repair stuff that goes wrong or I buy a demo car with a manufacturers warranty that will be cheap to maintain.

I am not going to go and get finance on a 4 year old car. I mean I would cry if I was paying a loan and repair bills on a 4 year old car because that would make zero sense to me.

Don't buy a sh1t example like you did with the A4 and you shouldn't have issues.

I bought a sub €4k Volvo last week and there's not a sound from the thing and everything works. It needs a service and that's about it.

You can't seem to understand that buying an early 2000's petrol car would be reliable? Of course it's dependent on the model but you cannot seem to grasp that.

Financing at your age is stupid. But then again, trying to give you advice is also stupid.

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CIP4

bear1 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2016-ford-fiesta-st-3-1-6-ecoboost-180-price-drop/13847432

Or go nuts and get this.

It has to be 5 door and at least Leon size fiesta is too small for me I test drove the same model before and I was bet into it I had the seat let down to the last and my head was still firmly touching the ceiling no way I would go around like that long term it would be so uncomfortable.

166man

Now there's a good suggestion Bear.

Sell A4 for €10k and buy that at €17-€18k. Upgrade to a 162 with full warranty for 7-8k, and what a lovely car it is!

bear1

What about a Nissan juke nismo?
There is one for 15k up north.

CIP4

166man wrote: »

Don't buy a sh1t example like you did with the A4 and you shouldn't have issues.

I bought a sub €4k Volvo last week and there's not a sound from the thing and everything works. It needs a service and that's about it.

You can't seem to understand that buying an early 2000's petrol car would be reliable? Of course it's dependent on the model but you cannot seem to grasp that.

Financing at your age is stupid. But then again, trying to give you advice is also stupid.

What your saying doesn't make any sense you come onto a thread I am looking for advice on a new car and you start going on about a 4K Volvo I buy a demo car or I keep my own they are the two options I don't know how many ways I need to say it yet you keep suggesting I buy a 10 year old 3k car I don't want and get upset when I don't take your advice :pac:

And for what it's worth I said I am trading my car and putting down a good bit of cash so the loan will be less than 40% of the price of the car so I am hardly financing upto the hilt. The loan is so small and manageable it's not even worth taking about.

bear1

Leon sized, over 150 bhp.. way over, fairly new, reliable brand and you would definitely stand out.
Just needs clearing.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2015-kia-ceed-gt-1-6-turbo-201-bhp/13690180

CIP4

166man wrote: »

Now there's a good suggestion Bear.

Sell A4 for €10k and buy that at €17-€18k. Upgrade to a 162 with full warranty for 7-8k, and what a lovely car it is!

I genuinely can't fit in them I am not making it up seat back to the last and let down and my head is still touching the roof can't even sit straight in them.

CIP4

bear1 wrote: »

What about a Nissan juke nismo?
There is one for 15k up north.

bear1 wrote: »

Leon sized, over 150 bhp.. way over, fairly new, reliable brand and you would definitely stand out.
Just needs clearing.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2015-kia-ceed-gt-1-6-turbo-201-bhp/13690180

Thanks for all the suggestions bear juke I wouldn't like. Ceed looks nice but unfortunately buying up north isn't an option Southern Irish dealers only as I am trading in my car.

bear1

Selling privately might be your best bet.
Quick calculation suggests the kia would be on Irish plates for 22 all in.
Anyway best of luck, the requirements etc make it too difficult to determine what could be suggested to you.

CIP4

bear1 wrote: »

Selling privately might be your best bet.
Quick calculation suggests the kia would be on Irish plates for 22 all in.
Anyway best of luck, the requirements etc make it too difficult to determine what could be suggested to you.

Thanks for your help. I know I said it above the requirements are very tight and the lack of reasonable powered new petrols in Ireland really makes it difficult. Sorry if it felt like I was shooting down every option you gave I do appreciate the suggestions.

166man

CIP4 wrote: »

What your saying doesn't make any sense you come onto a thread I am looking for advice on a new car and you start going on about a 4K Volvo I buy a demo car or I keep my own they are the two options I don't know how many ways I need to say it yet you keep suggesting I buy a 10 year old 3k car I don't want and get upset when I don't take your advice :pac:

And for what it's worth I said I am trading my car and putting down a good bit of cash so the loan will be less than 40% of the price of the car so I am hardly financing upto the hilt. The loan is so small and manageable it's not even worth taking about.

I'm the one who doesn't make sense and you're the chap in his first graduate role talking about financing a €40k car. LOL.

You might only be financing 40% of the car but you're still going to be giving up the rest of that income to buy it in the first place!

Just buy a new A4 I think is the only way someone like you will not be complaining about the car on a weekly basis.

CIP4

166man wrote: »

I'm the one who doesn't make sense and you're the chap in his first graduate role talking about financing a €40k car. LOL.

You might only be financing 40% of the car but you're still going to be giving up the rest of that income to buy it in the first place!

Just buy a new A4 I think is the only way someone like you will not be complaining about the car on a weekly basis.

Well 33k I was never going to buy a 40k one. As I said I have gone off the idea of borrowing 23k for an A4 as it is a sunstantial loan to have on a car to be fair. So there was plenty of people on here right about that you can chalk that down as a win.

Anyway we are never going to agree. I haven't bought anything yet still looking but taking out a small loan on a new Leon makes a lot more sense to me. I have gotten to the point where I am sick of repairing cars and dealing with secondhand cars you have obviously never had that feeling which is fair enough.

Maybe I will seriously regret buying a new car but at least this way it's not going to be the end of the world as it's not a massive loan or being tied into 3 year PCP deals which quite frankly I never fully felt comfortable signing up to a 3 years PCP finance deal. It's too long 1-2 years is more than enough.

Mister Jingles

That kia linked is a cracker. Surely one could be got down here ?

bear1

Mister Jingles wrote: »

That kia linked is a cracker. Surely one could be got down here ?

You'd be hard pressed.
19.8k in euro for the car and weirdly revenue only want 3.5k to clear it so 23k ish on Irish plates.

Comhrá

If you're a bit hesitant about an A4, have you thought about the A3 Saloon 1.4 tfsi? A bit more affordable and reasonably powered.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/audi/a3/used-2016-161-audi-a3-saloon-1-4-tfsi-dublin-fpa-5288802364501339682

CIP4

tippman1 wrote: »

If you're a bit hesitant about an A4, have you thought about the A3 Saloon 1.4 tfsi? A bit more affordable and reasonably powered.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/audi/a3/used-2016-161-audi-a3-saloon-1-4-tfsi-dublin-fpa-5288802364501339682

Thanks tippman not sure what it is about the A3 but I never fully warmed to them.

PN14

Mazda 6 or 3 if budget is reduced very nice petrol engines?

CIP4

PN14 wrote: »

Mazda 6 or 3 if budget is reduced very nice petrol engines?

The only petrol I can find in the 3 is a 1.5 90bhp which would be too underpowered but the new Mazda 3 is a lovely car.

Mister Jingles

Insignia 1.4 turbo petrol. Theres a lovely 161 white one on Carzone.

bazz26

Insignia is nearly 9 years old at this stage and due for replacement in 2017.

grogi

bazz26 wrote: »

Insignia is nearly 9 years old at this stage and due for replacement in 2017.

Which means this one should be rather reliable...

dar83

grogi wrote: »

Which means this one should be rather reliable...

Or is overdue to go up in flames....

:pac:

bazz26

You'd want to be getting a super deal on one now otherwise expect to loose alot when selling it on. And there are alot of them for sale.

cnocbui

Import a Civic Type R from the UK - 200 PS

Just need to make sure you calculate the correct import duty to stay within your budget.

CIP4

Just a conclusion for this thread as there is nothing worse than looking back at a buying thread where the OP never actually says what they bought in the end :pac:

So I went for a 161 demo white Seat Leon FR 1.4tsi 125bhp. I drove the car and just loved it to drive I didn't think it would be half as impressive considering it doesn't have massive power. But to drive it you would think it has a lot more power. It ticked all the boxes for me and I got an extremely good deal on it with a decent price mixed with a very high trade in on my own car meaning a surprisingly small cost of change.

I have it 10 days and have done a good few long trips in it and find it very comfy and smooth on the road it's quite well specced too has everything I would look for. Hopefully it will give me a few years of trouble free motoring now

Link to some pictures from the post a picture of your car thread. Thanks a million to everyone who contributed to this thread and for all the advice and suggestions.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101937386&postcount=3123