Technically Hillary Clinton could still be elected President.

ted1

meeeeh wrote: »

Tell me how would clear majority wins work in EU? Especially after brexit when there will be only a few large countries.

Who says that they are leaving ? It has to go to parliament and just like EC the populists vote may not be the result that matters

meeeeh

ted1 wrote: »

Who says that they are leaving ? It has to go to parliament and just like EC the populists vote may not be the result that matters

That was not my point. Check how many people elect an mep in Ireland or in Germany. Not to mention each country has a commissioner regardlessof the population.

ligerdub

Yeah her millions and millions excess, an absolute romp in the popular vote.

I suggested he may, I never spoke in absolutes. At least that was still a possibility, even if it's completely moot, despite your continued focus on it.

The only person contending anything here is you guys clinging to the idea that the electoral issue was down to "a few votes" when most would consider that rather generous to the closeness of the contest.

ligerdub

scuba8 wrote:

While noting the closeness of the count in many states, it should be pointed that many Democrat supporters were hindered in their attempts to vote. Republicans closed almost 900 polling stations all in predominantly Democrat areas. In NC a judge said that it was carried out with surgical precision in African American areas to suppress voters.

There are rumours on the other side, such as the rather unusual call in extending polling hours by up to 2 hours in heavily Denocrat counties, coincidentally in States where it turned out to be marginally won by Donald.

El Tarangu

I have actually kind of had my mind changed on the whole electoral college thing on the basis of this thread:

Imagine if the EU was ran on the basis of popular vote across the countries as a whole? All you need would be for France, Germany, Poland, Italy and UK to be in favour of something, and the other 20-odd countries would have no choice but to go along with it.

Not saying the Electoral College is perfect by any means, but I can see the rationale for it.

osmiumartist

ligerdub wrote: »

There are rumours on the other side, such as the rather unusual call in extending polling hours by up to 2 hours in heavily Denocrat counties, coincidentally in States where it turned out to be marginally won by Donald.

This is real through the look glass stuff. Apparently it's now "anti-democratic" to close polling at the correct time?

alastair

letsseehere14 wrote: »

Are these millions of votes the 600k odd votes over Trump that she has? Millions? Correct me if I'm wrong by my last check showed 60.2m for Trump vs 60.8m for Clinton.

She won the popular vote because she appealed to the liberals and took NY by 1.5m votes and Cali by 2.5m. If you look at the heat maps these votes in NY and cali states mostly came from new York city and San Fran/LA where she was getting over 80% of the vote. Despite this 4m vote lead in basically 3 cities she only won the popular vote by 600k.
People like Michael Moore are out protesting and asking Trump to step aside because they want the way the election was run, and was campaigned for changed after the fact.
If it goes direct vote for vote the campaigns will ignore middle and little America and be focused on the major cities only. This move would further divide the USA as smaller states feeling more ignored will begin to push back.

The counting of the vote hasn't finished. Hillary is going to gain literally millions more votes - and they're predominantly from California and Washington, so don't expect any equivalent boost to Trump's vote. So, yeah - 'millions of votes'.

alastair

ligerdub wrote: »

There are rumours on the other side, such as the rather unusual call in extending polling hours by up to 2 hours in heavily Denocrat counties, coincidentally in States where it turned out to be marginally won by Donald.

That was for early voting, and isn't unusual at all. It's the normal rule that anyone in the queue before closing is entitled to vote, even if that requires keeping the polling station open late. On Election Day polling extensions require a court order, and the late polled votes are treated as provisional. So the rumours don't really amount to anything.

scuba8

ligerdub wrote: »

There are rumours on the other side, such as the rather unusual call in extending polling hours by up to 2 hours in heavily Denocrat counties, coincidentally in States where it turned out to be marginally won by Donald.

That refers to a case where some Republican Representative went to court to object to a polling station staying open for an extra two hours.
Case was thrown out because all of the people who voted in the extra two hours had already been in the queue at the time of closing. This is legal so the case was thrown out.

smjm

Short, informative article on why it would be difficult to change the American EC system:

'Four Theses on the Electoral College' http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/11/12/four-theses-on-the-electoral-college/

osmiumartist

smjm wrote: »

Short, informative article on why it would be difficult to change the American EC system:

'Four Theses on the Electoral College' http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/11/12/four-theses-on-the-electoral-college/

Some states are starting write into law that they will hand over their electoral college votes to whoever get the majority of votes in the entire union... but only to be invoked when all other states do the same.
So you never know...

FatherTed

Well President Trump thinks the EC is a disaster:

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ligerdub

alastair wrote:

That was for early voting, and isn't unusual at all. It's the normal rule that anyone in the queue before closing is entitled to vote, even if that requires keeping the polling station open late. On Election Day polling extensions require a court order, and the late polled votes are treated as provisional. So the rumours don't really amount to anything.

No it wasn't, it was polling day.

StupidLikeAFox

LLMMLL wrote: »

The next generation are fine.

This quote should replace our national anthem, America's pledge of allegiance etc

alastair

ligerdub wrote: »

No it wasn't, it was polling day.

There were only two states had extensions on Election Day; firstly in Texas, hardly a swing state, and secondly in North Carolina, where 8 stations had extensions of 25 minutes to 60 minutes on account of the breakdown of electronic register checking. No two hours, no rumours - it was quite open and publicised.

ted1

alastair wrote: »

There were only two states had extensions on Election Day; firstly in Texas, hardly a swing state, and secondly in North Carolina, where 8 stations had extensions of 25 minutes to 60 minutes on account of the breakdown of electronic register checking. No two hours, no rumours - it was quite open and publicised.

As long as each person gets to vote only once then there should be no issue with keeping the polls open. Closing early would be a real issue

Sam Russell

paleoperson wrote: »

"hicksville"... what a racist and despicable thing to say.

You're showing your colours as a narrow-minded bigot.



Are you actually a thinking person?

It's called democracy.

Hicksville is actually in New York, so how is it any more racist than Hackensack, New Jersey, which is slightly nearer?

It is no worse than saying 'Ballygobackwards' for a remote place in Ireland (which does not exist, by the way).

Checking facts does not take long these days.

osmiumartist

Sam Russell wrote: »

Hicksville is actually in New York, so how is it any more racist than Hackensack, New Jersey, which is slightly nearer?

So it's OK to refer to "people from Chinaman Gulch" or "people from Dago Creek" as these are also place names?
You think people will say to themselves "Oh yeah, you're so clever Sam making out he was referring to Hicksville New York. Ha ah. Ha."?

Sam Russell

osmiumartist wrote: »

So it's OK to refer to "people from Chinaman Gulch" or "people from Dago Creek" as these are also place names?
You think people will say to themselves "Oh yeah, you're so clever Sam making out he was referring to Hicksville New York. Ha ah. Ha."?

Bill Clinton was from Hope, Arkansas. Do you think making jokes about Hope, Arkansas in relation to Clinton would be appropriate?

Using names, whether real or imaginary is common in normal discourse. It is only racist if it is intended to be so but the use of such names are not racist per se.

osmiumartist

Sam Russell wrote: »

Using names, whether real or imaginary is common in normal discourse. It is only racist if it is intended to be so but the use of such names are not racist per se.

Er, here is the original post

ted1 wrote: »

So because someone lives in Hicksville their vote carrys a higher weight than someone living in a city. In democracy are all people not equal?

Now, go on then. Tell me he was referring to the town of Hicksville, New York. If I said "people from Idiotville support Clinton" you'd be OK with that? It's a place-name, right?

alastair

osmiumartist wrote: »

Er, here is the original post

Now, go on then. Tell me he was referring to the town of Hicksville, New York. If I said "people from Idiotville support Clinton" you'd be OK with that? It's a place-name, right?

I'm still struggling to understand what ethnicity or race hicks are supposed to have.

ligerdub

osmiumartist wrote: »

Er, here is the original post

Now, go on then. Tell me he was referring to the town of Hicksville, New York. If I said "people from Idiotville support Clinton" you'd be OK with that? It's a place-name, right?

They are offering about as ludicrous as defence to this argument as anything I've ever heard.

osmiumartist

ligerdub wrote: »

They are offering about as ludicrous as defence to this argument as anything I've ever heard.

A least the KKK are honest with their racism.

osmiumartist

alastair wrote: »

I'm still struggling to understand what ethnicity or race hicks are supposed to have.

I hate Coons.
I mean people from Coon, Wisconsin obviously. Looks like a right dump.

alastair

osmiumartist wrote: »

I hate Coons.
I mean people from Coon, Wisconsin obviously. Looks like a right dump.

Coon is a racial slur, Hick is not.

Thought this wouldn't really need to be pointed out.

Hicks are culchies, bog hoppers, yokels. Of no fixed ethnicity.

osmiumartist

alastair wrote: »

Coon is a racial slur, Hick is not.

Thought this wouldn't really need to be pointed out.

Hicks are culchies, bog hoppers, yokels. Of no fixed ethnicity.

"a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or parochial." says my dictionary.
So, where did you get your definition? Kinda made up on the spot to suit your argument eh?

hicksville
[hiks-vil]
noun, Slang.
1.
a backward, provincial place; backwater.

Let me guess, hicksville really means "lovely place where learned gentlemen and ladies reside"?

As I said, Coon is a place in Wisconsin. Coon. Coon. Coon. Wisconsin.

alastair

osmiumartist wrote: »

"a person who lives in the country, regarded as being unintelligent or parochial." says my dictionary.

That's what I just said. But while it may be a slur on rural folk, it's clearly not a racial or ethnic slur.


Repeating an actual racial slur does little to remove that fact.

osmiumartist

alastair wrote: »

That's what I just said. But while it may be a slur on rural folk, it's clearly not a racial or ethnic slur.


Repeating an actual racial slur does little to remove that fact.

What racial slur is this? I'm talking about Coon, Wisconsin. Exactly the same way you guys are talking about Hicksville, New York.
Is that confusing you?

ligerdub

osmiumartist wrote:

I hate Coons. I mean people from Coon, Wisconsin obviously. Looks like a right dump.

Obviously. There's no way you could interrupt that any other way.

alastair

osmiumartist wrote: »

What racial slur is this? I'm talking about Coon, Wisconsin. Exactly the same way you guys are talking about Hicksville, New York.
Is that confusing you?

You seem confused, as well as rather eager to keep repeating a racial slur. I never mentioned Hicksville.

ted1

osmiumartist wrote: »

Er, here is the original post

Now, go on then. Tell me he was referring to the town of Hicksville, New York. If I said "people from Idiotville support Clinton" you'd be OK with that? It's a place-name, right?

No I wasn't referring to a place in New York. I we using it to describe a place similar to ballygobackwards. Hicksville is a common term with no racial slur attached.
Think of Cletus from the Simpsons.



If you think that Hicksville is a racist slur , what race is it slurring and how ?

In Ireland if I was to call some one a culchie, would that be a racist slur ?

ancapailldorcha

Raise the standard of posting please and knock off the trolling.

Permabear

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Mr.Micro

Going back to the OP, why would the Electoral college overturn its own system in favour of a candidate just as poor as the winner? The goal posts cannot be moved just because the outcome is unacceptable to many. By all means reform or remove the Electoral college system by the next election, but now is not the time to undermine democracy, IMO. Both Republicians and Democrats went into the election with this system and the latter would have accepted the result if Clinton had won via the college system.

Amerika

Reports are circulating that up to 3 million illegal aliens may have voted in the presidential election. If the rumors are true then Hillary might not have won the popular vote, either.

alastair

Amerika wrote: »

Reports are circulating that up to 3 million illegal aliens may have voted in the presidential election. If the rumors are true then Hillary might not have won the popular vote, either.

Rumours of alien corpses at Area 51 too. Neither warrant your attention.

ancapailldorcha

Amerika wrote: »

Reports are circulating that up to 3 million illegal aliens may have voted in the presidential election. If the rumors are true then Hillary might not have won the popular vote, either.

How come you didn't cite any then or is this just another cop out from you?

Amerika

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

How come you didn't cite any then or is this just another cop out from you?

Am I always required to provide sources for everything I comment on? I thought it was only expected when asked or challenged on it. And when have I ever ‘copped-out’ on providing sources when asked?

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

Amerika

alastair wrote: »

Rumours of alien corpses at Area 51 too. Neither warrant your attention.

That brought a smile to my face. I have a friend of the family who was one of the earliest fighter pilots in the US Air Force. He flew the North American F-86 Sabre, Lockheed F-104 Starfighter, and the North American F-100 Super Sabre. Many of the tactics he developed are still used today. He says he was stationed for awhile at Area 51 in the 1950's... and he claims there are alien corpses, and has seen them. In all my years I've never known him to lie about his many Air Force adventures. But I guess there's a chance he is telling a tall tale, but he tells the story dead serious.

alastair

Amerika wrote: »

Am I always required to provide sources for everything I comment on? I thought it was only expected when asked or challenged on it. And when have I ever ‘copped-out’ on providing sources when asked?

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

So - a tweet without any actual evidence, from a conspiracy theorist who didn't feel this 'info' warranted a mention on their own CT website. Compelling stuff.

alastair

Amerika wrote: »

But I guess there's a chance he is telling a tall tale.

You reckon? :rolleyes:

Amerika

alastair wrote: »

So - a tweet without any actual evidence, from a conspiracy theorist who didn't feel this 'info' warranted a mention on their own CT website. Compelling stuff.

If legal action is being initiated, then time will tell.

alastair

Amerika wrote: »

If legal action is being initiated, then time will tell.

Have you actually read his tweets? There's nothing being initiated - it's all hot air (as should be patently obvious to anyone).

Manach

Amerika wrote: »

That brought a smile to my face. I have a friend of the family who was one of the earliest fighter pilots in the US Air Force. He flew the North American F-86 Sabre, Lockheed F-104 Starfighter, and the North American F-100 Super Sabre. Many of the tactics he developed are still used today. He says he was stationed for awhile at Area 51 in the 1950's... and he claims there are alien corpses, and has seen them. In all my years I've never known him to lie about his many Air Force adventures. But I guess there's a chance he is telling a tall tale, but he tells the story dead serious.

With the indulges of the Mods as this is off topic, but I recently finished a biography Col. John Boyd (US Military theorist) and from that book anyone who flew the F-100 was both skillful and lucky as it was a temperamental jet.

Amerika

Manach wrote: »

With the indulges of the Mods as this is off topic, but I recently finished a biography Col. John Boyd (US Military theorist) and from that book anyone who flew the F-100 was both skillful and lucky as it was a temperamental jet.

He was sent to a training facility for the most promising Air Force fighter pilots. On his first mission there he ‘shot down’ his commanding officer in a dog fight. He described the maneuver he used to shoot him down, but it was all to technical to me. Upon landing the commanding officer got out of his jet and promptly left the base, talking to no one. He didn’t return for two days. When he returned he made it a point to make my friends time there a living hell from then on.

I'll be seeing him at Thanksgiving. Any questions you want me to ask him? And he voted for Donald Trump.

demfad

Amerika wrote: »

Am I always required to provide sources for everything I comment on? I thought it was only expected when asked or challenged on it. And when have I ever ‘copped-out’ on providing sources when asked?

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/

Same website claims Hilary physically attacked her own campaign staff after the result. Do you believe this also?

Amerika

demfad wrote: »

Same website claims Hilary physically attacked her own campaign staff after the result. Do you believe this also?

I believe it is possible. The report of the incident came from a CNN reporter. And I can see CNN blocking it as they were known as the Clinton News Network during the election cycle, and one of their reporters was feeding Hillary questions ahead of debates. And if I would have mentioned it, I would have used the term 'rumor' just as I did in the comment about 3 million illegals voting.

demfad

Amerika wrote: »

I believe it is possible. The report of the incident came from a CNN reporter. And I can see CNN blocking it as they were known as the Clinton News Network during the election cycle, and one of their reporters was feeding Hillary questions ahead of debates. And if I would have mentioned it, I would have used the term 'rumor' just as I did in the comment about 3 million illegals voting.

Also this one from the same website as your link: BOMBSHELL: BARACK OBAMA CONCLUSIVELY OUTED AS CIA CREATION

Could this be possible?

alastair

Amerika wrote: »

I believe it is possible. The report of the incident came from a CNN reporter.

Nope - the solitary 'claim' that it came from a CNN reporter is from one fantastically wingnutty source - Todd Kincannon. Nothing to support this claim of course.

Amerika

alastair wrote: »

Nope - the solitary 'claim' that it came from a CNN reporter is from one fantastically wingnutty source - Todd Kincannon. Nothing to support this claim of course.

So it is possibly just a 'rumor' then from a entity that does provide news?