African American attitudes

realitykeeper

From what I have seen and heard, African Americans are generally articulate, clever and likable. They also have a lot of anger. This anger is about their historical disenfranchisement and it is justified. Calls for compensation have been made at various times. Compensation however is a complex matter. Indeed, it may actually do more harm than good.

Free stuff, is generally bad for people and giving to present day African Americans payment for the toil of their ancestors is not going to be good for them. So, what to do?

I believe it is the mindset of present day African Americans that needs to change if they are to improve their lot. The movement Black Lives Matter highlights the disproportionate number of African Americans killed each year by police but that may simply be because a disproportionate percentage of African Americans come from disadvantaged backgrounds and people of all complexions from disadvantaged backgrounds have a higher probability of getting into trouble with the law and by extension, they have a higher probability of being incarcerated or killed by the police.

Also, as mentioned earlier, African Americans have within them a lot of righteous anger and I suspect this anger manifests itself in the form of passive aggressive behavior when confronted by the police. The police are trained to take control of aprehendees so any resistance resulting from passive aggressive behavior is likely to be stopped forcefully.

In a country the size of the USA, such incidents are likely to result in the occasional fatality. So dealing with righteous anger, is in the interests of everyone but simply dropping helicopter money on black communities is not the answer, that will only make things worse.

By contrast, Africans in Africa have begun to realize the futility of blaming Europeans (albeit with some justification) for everything. Consequently, Africa has started to take control of its own destiny for the first time since the independence era, its future is beginning to look promising.

Help!!!!

Black lives matters is the biggest load of crap. Rather than blaming everyone else the likes of Beyoncé & JZ should be helping clean up communities but of course they never will. Its better to try to be cool giving the black panter salute on tv than go around the ghettos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQadlwMWYRQ

Nabber

realitykeeper wrote: »

Africa has started to take control of its own destiny for the first time since the independence era, its future is beginning to look promising.

Where is this happening?
I thought Africa was still business as usual?

oscarBravo

realitykeeper wrote: »

The movement Black Lives Matter highlights the disproportionate number of African Americans killed each year by police but that may simply be because a disproportionate percentage of African Americans come from disadvantaged backgrounds and people of all complexions from disadvantaged backgrounds have a higher probability of getting into trouble with the law and by extension, they have a higher probability of being incarcerated or killed by the police.

It's an interesting thesis. Have you checked whether the level of police scrutiny and incarceration, when controlled for socio-economic background, is the same for blacks and whites?

I'll give you a clue: it's not.

There is an endemic racism inherent in much of the American justice system. Coming up with twee theories to handwave it away isn't going to help.

lazybones32

I thought people who were born in America were American? It might be my white privilege speaking but shouldn't they stop labeling themselves as something other than American if they identify as American? Samantha Mumba is Irish; Simon Zebo is Irish (can't think of any more dark-skinned Irish people to emphasise my point).

AbusesToilets

lazybones32 wrote: »

I thought people who were born in America were American? It might be my white privilege speaking but shouldn't they stop labeling themselves as something other than American if they identify as American? Samantha Mumba is Irish; Simon Zebo is Irish (can't think of any more dark-skinned Irish people to emphasise my point).

It's a lazy and divisive method of segregating a social group.

Overheal

lazybones32 wrote: »

I thought people who were born in America were American? It might be my white privilege speaking but shouldn't they stop labeling themselves as something other than American if they identify as American? Samantha Mumba is Irish; Simon Zebo is Irish (can't think of any more dark-skinned Irish people to emphasise my point).

thats why many prefer the term Black. It's not "African-American Lives Matter" after all

mahamageehad

Overheal wrote: »

thats why many prefer the term Black. It's not "African-American Lives Matter" after all

The term Black is a bit dodgy though too. For historic reasons, many are wary of using it. There's the idea that black is always negative I.e. Black sheep of the family. It's hard to keep up with what offends people these days but I can see people being wary of the term.

alastair

lazybones32 wrote: »

I thought people who were born in America were American? It might be my white privilege speaking but shouldn't they stop labeling themselves as something other than American if they identify as American? Samantha Mumba is Irish; Simon Zebo is Irish (can't think of any more dark-skinned Irish people to emphasise my point).

Samantha Mumba may call herself Irish (as she is), but she calls her husband African American (because he is). Perhaps if a large community of Africans were enslaved and shipped to Ireland, deprived of their rights for generations, and segregated into a distinct community over multiple generations, before very belatedly being legally (if not entirely socially or economically) integrated into wider society, they might well identity as African Irish too.

alastair

Overheal wrote: »

thats why many prefer the term Black. It's not "African-American Lives Matter" after all

For good reason: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/police-killing-black-man-el-cajon-san-diego-protest

Palmach

realitykeeper wrote: »

From what I have seen and heard, African Americans are generally articulate, clever and likable. .

So why are so many of them in jail?

alastair

Palmach wrote: »

So why are so many of them in jail?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-incarceration/2011/06/13/AGfIWvYH_story.html

Sam Russell

Obama is an African American - his father was African (Kenyan) and his mother was American. So he is one of very few who can claim to be correctly identified as African American.

American news outlets used to describe Mandella as African American bu he was not - he was African. American news outlets are preoccupied with race and racist labels.

I think most Americans are also preoccupied with race - though not necessarily racist. Think back to the film 'Guess who's coming to dinner'. Why all the fuss about Obama's birth place?

RDM_83 again

oscarBravo wrote: »

realitykeeper wrote: »

The movement Black Lives Matter highlights the disproportionate number of African Americans killed each year by police but that may simply be because a disproportionate percentage of African Americans come from disadvantaged backgrounds and people of all complexions from disadvantaged backgrounds have a higher probability of getting into trouble with the law and by extension, they have a higher probability of being incarcerated or killed by the police.

It's an interesting thesis. Have you checked whether the level of police scrutiny and incarceration, when controlled for socio-economic background, is the same for blacks and whites?

I'll give you a clue: it's not.

There is an endemic racism inherent in much of the American justice system. Coming up with twee theories to handwave it away isn't going to help.

What's the explanation for things like Chicago then AFAIK a city with a mainly black administration and police?Would it's incredibly high murder rate be helped by less police scrutiny? How does policing cause the huge amount of civilians shooting civilians are they faking 5000 gun woundings
I think it's possible for both things to be true, there is some racism in American policing and there is deep issues relating to violence in the African American community.

Sam Russell

RDM_83 again wrote: »

What's the explanation for things like Chicago then AFAIK a city with a mainly black administration and police?Would it's incredibly high murder rate be helped by less police scrutiny? How does policing cause the huge amount of civilians shooting civilians are they faking 5000 gun woundings
I think it's possible for both things to be true, there is some racism in American policing and there is deep issues relating to violence in the African American community.

Poverty, drugs and Guns.

oscarBravo

RDM_83 again wrote: »

How does policing cause the huge amount of civilians shooting civilians...

When you can find someone who has claimed that policing causes that, you can ask them.

I think it's possible for both things to be true, there is some racism in American policing and there is deep issues relating to violence in the African American community.

It's a vicious cycle. Communities that feel (with reason) that they can't have faith in the justice system tend to police themselves. The alternative to a state monopoly on violence is a free market in violence.

There's a tendency to say that black communities need to sort their own problems out. While there's an element of truth in that, it's never going to be possible until the endemic racism in the justice system is weeded out permanently.

I've recommended Jill Leovy's excellent book Ghettoside before, and I'll take the opportunity to do so again.

RDM_83 again

oscarBravo wrote: »

RDM_83 again wrote: »

How does policing cause the huge amount of civilians shooting civilians...

When you can find someone who has claimed that policing causes that, you can ask them.

I think it's possible for both things to be true, there is some racism in American policing and there is deep issues relating to violence in the African American community.

It's a vicious cycle. Communities that feel (with reason) that they can't have faith in the justice system tend to police themselves. The alternative to a state monopoly on violence is a free market in violence.

There's a tendency to say that black communities need to sort their own problems out. While there's an element of truth in that, it's never going to be possible until the endemic racism in the justice system is weeded out permanently.

I've recommended Jill Leovy's excellent book Ghettoside before, and I'll take the opportunity to do so again.

oscarBravo wrote: »

RDM_83 again wrote: »

How does policing cause the huge amount of civilians shooting civilians...

When you can find someone who has claimed that policing causes that, you can ask them.

I think it's possible for both things to be true, there is some racism in American policing and there is deep issues relating to violence in the African American community.

It's a vicious cycle. Communities that feel (with reason) that they can't have faith in the justice system tend to police themselves. The alternative to a state monopoly on violence is a free market in violence.

There's a tendency to say that black communities need to sort their own problems out. While there's an element of truth in that, it's never going to be possible until the endemic racism in the justice system is weeded out permanently.

I've recommended Jill Leovy's excellent book Ghettoside before, and I'll take the opportunity to do so again.

oscarBravo wrote: »

RDM_83 again wrote: »

How does policing cause the huge amount of civilians shooting civilians...

When you can find someone who has claimed that policing causes that, you can ask them.

I think it's possible for both things to be true, there is some racism in American policing and there is deep issues relating to violence in the African American community.

It's a vicious cycle. Communities that feel (with reason) that they can't have faith in the justice system tend to police themselves. The alternative to a state monopoly on violence is a free market in violence.

There's a tendency to say that black communities need to sort their own problems out. While there's an element of truth in that, it's never going to be possible until the endemic racism in the justice system is weeded out permanently.

I've recommended Jill Leovy's excellent book Ghettoside before, and I'll take the opportunity to do so again.

Northern Ireland in the troubles even with the political killings had a lower death rate per capita a lot of the time than some US inner city areas and this was a society with literal police no go areas.
Isn't the issue that as well as distrust of official justice for obvious reasons is that they don't police themselves either.

oscarBravo

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Isn't the issue that as well as distrust of official justice for obvious reasons is that they don't police themselves either.

No, that's not the issue. Policing isn't something that spontaneously occurs from disorder. The reason there were lower crime rates in Northern Ireland is that the role of the police was partly fulfilled by paramilitary organisations. Inner cities in the US are a completely different scenario.

Help!!!!

The only way things will change is when the black community stop acting like victims & start owning some of the problems they face.
Look at the UK a 14 year old boy gets stabbed to death at 2am on a school night by another black youth. The mothers on tv crying, he was a good boy never in trouble yadda yadda ya. Next thing theres pictures of said boy doing gang signs on facebook turns out hes a member of some postcode gang. Not to say why was he out at 2am? Why are the parents letting him out that late?
The in the USA a guy gets shot by police, yes the police in some cases have over reacted but if the police tell you to get down you get down, you don't start talking back & keep walking down the street.
Black, White , Hispanic any other if your childs out at 2am on a school night & gets killed you only have yourself to blame, the same if you get shot by police if you cant respect the officer & do what your told.
Rap/ Hip Hop music videos don't help the situation either.

oscarBravo

Help!!!! wrote: »

The only way things will change is when the black community stop acting like victims & start owning some of the problems they face.

One of the problems they face is endemic racism in the justice system. How do they go about owning that?

alastair

Help!!!! wrote: »

The in the USA a guy gets shot by police, yes the police in some cases have over reacted but if the police tell you to get down you get down, you don't start talking back & keep walking down the street.

I'd suggest that shooting someone for walking down a road is pretty much always an 'over reaction'. Police don't, or shouldn't, have carte blanche to kill people because they don't do what they're told.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Black, White , Hispanic any other if your childs out at 2am on a school night & gets killed you only have yourself to blame,

This blame the victim business is a strong theme with you.

Help!!!! wrote: »

the same if you get shot by police if you cant respect the officer & do what your told.

Not the victim's fault there, either. Police have a right to defend themselves, but no right to shoot people who don't show them sufficient respect.

Help!!!!

alastair wrote: »

I'd suggest that shooting someone for walking down a road is pretty much always an 'over reaction'. Police don't, or shouldn't, have carte blanche to kill people because they don't do what they're told.


This blame the victim business is a strong theme with you.


Not the victim's fault there, either. Police have a right to defend themselves, but no right to shoot people who don't show them sufficient respect.

I'm not blaming any victims what I'm saying is that there's always more to a story. If the police see a guy on the street & straight out shoot them then yes throw the book at them, if the police want to talk to a suspect & the suspect doesn't do as he's told then, he has to take some of the blame. Police have a very hard job, they don't know if their going to go home at the end of their shift. Do you really think a police officer wakes up in the morning & thinks ah I'll go shoot some black lad today? Yes there are racists in the police force & there are black officers who over step the mark. But there are a lot more good than bad

realitykeeper

lazybones32 wrote: »

I thought people who were born in America were American? It might be my white privilege speaking but shouldn't they stop labeling themselves as something other than American if they identify as American? Samantha Mumba is Irish; Simon Zebo is Irish (can't think of any more dark-skinned Irish people to emphasise my point).

African Americans are just as proud of their heritage as Irish Americans are of theirs. So no, they should label themselves if that is what they want.

realitykeeper

oscarBravo wrote: »

It's an interesting thesis. Have you checked whether the level of police scrutiny and incarceration, when controlled for socio-economic background, is the same for blacks and whites?

I'll give you a clue: it's not.

There is an endemic racism inherent in much of the American justice system. Coming up with twee theories to handwave it away isn't going to help.

But what about passive aggression on the part of African Americans toward the police. Does that not undermine your racist argument?

realitykeeper

Nabber wrote: »

Where is this happening?
I thought Africa was still business as usual?

You thought wrong. Rwanda is setting the example and many African countries are following their lead.

realitykeeper

Palmach wrote: »

So why are so many of them in jail?

I told you but you stopped reading.

realitykeeper

Sam Russell wrote: »

Obama is an African American - his father was African (Kenyan) and his mother was American. So he is one of very few who can claim to be correctly identified as African American.

His mother was a European American so really he is an African-European American.

realitykeeper

oscarBravo wrote: »

One of the problems they face is endemic racism in the justice system. How do they go about owning that?

I am not convinced there is endemic racism in American policing. The police simple do not tolerate blackguards.

Fr Tod Umptious

realitykeeper wrote: »

African Americans are just as proud of their heritage as Irish Americans are of theirs. So no, they should label themselves if that is what they want.

America is a county of migrants.

When Paddy got off the boat during the famine no one cared if he was from Cork or Mayo or Galway, all they knew was that he was Irish, that's when Irish identity first came to the fore.
Same with Germans, Polish etc.

At this stage many Irish Americans could not find Ireland on the map but they still call themselves Irish to be distinct from other groups.

Same goes for African Americans, the African part is to acknowledge their origin, which they are well entitled to do.

alastair

Help!!!! wrote: »

I'm not blaming any victims what I'm saying is that there's always more to a story. If the police see a guy on the street & straight out shoot them then yes throw the book at them, if the police want to talk to a suspect & the suspect doesn't do as he's told then, he has to take some of the blame.

No he doesn't, and that's precisely what blaming the victim means.

vetinari

I feel any discussion about incarceration rates should start with a simple question.
Do you think black people are different?
If say people from Michigan had an incarceration rate 6 times higher than the national average, people would be questioning the system not what people in Michigan need to do differently.

Black and hispanic neighborhoods have had essentially had a police invasion under the pretext of a drug war.
I have to say as a white middle class guy who moved to Boston 10 years ago, I've never lived in a police occupied area.
Some minorities live in areas where they'll encounter police every week. I've probably talked directly to a police officer3 times in 10 years here.

I shudder to think how many run ins with the law I'd have if every time I was coming home after a night out, I was stopped and questioned by a police officer. When people talk about systemic racism, it manifests itself as all races using drugs in equal measures but only some of them getting locked up for it.

oscarBravo

realitykeeper wrote: »

I am not convinced there is endemic racism in American policing.

Is that because you've carefully studied a great deal of evidence, weighed up both sides of the argument and arrived at your conclusion? Or is this just a gut feeling on your part?

Help!!!!

vetinari wrote: »

I feel any discussion about incarceration rates should start with a simple question.
Do you think black people are different?
If say people from Michigan had an incarceration rate 6 times higher than the national average, people would be questioning the system not what people in Michigan need to do differently.

Black and hispanic neighborhoods have had essentially had a police invasion under the pretext of a drug war.
I have to say as a white middle class guy who moved to Boston 10 years ago, I've never lived in a police occupied area.
Some minorities live in areas where they'll encounter police every week. I've probably talked directly to a police officer3 times in 10 years here.

I shudder to think how many run ins with the law I'd have if every time I was coming home after a night out, I was stopped and questioned by a police officer. When people talk about systemic racism, it manifests itself as all races using drugs in equal measures but only some of them getting locked up for it.

Do you not think the police are there to try to prevent black on black murders? So obviously there would be more stop & search in these neighbourhoods. If there were middle class white areas where there was loads of white on white murders then the police would be there.
Rather than see the police being there to try to take guns/drugs out of their neighbourhoods they prefer to play the victim

oscarBravo

Help!!!! wrote: »

Do you not think the police are there to try to prevent black on black murders? So obviously there would be more stop & search in these neighbourhoods.

That's not policing; it's harassment.

Rather than see the police being there to try to take guns/drugs out of their neighbourhoods they prefer to play the victim

Nice whitesplaining. If only those ignorant blacks would stop complaining about constant harassment and understand that it's for their own good.

Help!!!!

oscarBravo wrote: »

That's not policing; it's harassment. Nice whitesplaining. If only those ignorant blacks would stop complaining about constant harassment and understand that it's for their own good.

Really? So you think it would be better if the police didn't go into these neighbourhoods & let them just get on with it?
If the police were to do that it wouldn't take long for the masses to come out shouting about it.
So whats your solution to the problem then?

oscarBravo

Help!!!! wrote: »

Really? So you think it would be better if the police didn't go into these neighbourhoods & let them just get on with it?

No, I don't think that. What's more, I neither said nor implied it.

So whats your solution to the problem then?

Get rid of the endemic racism that pervades the entire justice system, and start the long, slow process of rebuilding trust between black communities and police.

I really, highly recommend reading Ghettoside, it's an eye-opening read.

Help!!!!

oscarBravo wrote: »

No, I don't think that. What's more, I neither said nor implied it. Get rid of the endemic racism that pervades the entire justice system, and start the long, slow process of rebuilding trust between black communities and police.

I really, highly recommend reading Ghettoside, it's an eye-opening read.

Never said you implied anything but do you not see if there are areas where there is a lot of crime then there will be a lot of police
Why is it when the black community protest it always turns into riots which turns into looting stores

The majority of black people are good, the same as police

We need more of this though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59kJXOLbKg

& this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9hMNddj4bM

vetinari

I think the police should do their job and respond to violent crime. Proactively attempting to stop and search as many black people as possible for contraband is discrimination.

At what point would some people here think the system has a problem? The US has the largest prison population in the world.

Palmach

alastair wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-incarceration/2011/06/13/AGfIWvYH_story.html

This piece seems to say that Judges and Police are racist so that is why Blacks and Coloured people are more likely to be incarcerated. The authors ignore the amount of fatherless households and the culture within groupings such as an antipathy towards authority, no real track record of members of the community going to college. Racism is an easy card to play. Too easy.

Lt Dan

Nabber wrote: »

Where is this happening?
I thought Africa was still business as usual?

Some Nations are getting on with it. Places like Ghana are doing okay. Hell, Rwanda of all places are trying to get their s**t together. Rome was not built in a day etc, and for many , democracy and Independence only really came in the 1990's

AbusesToilets

vetinari wrote: »

I think the police should do their job and respond to violent crime. Proactively attempting to stop and search as many black people as possible for contraband is discrimination.

At what point would some people here think the system has a problem? The US has the largest prison population in the world.

That is largely down to the War on Drugs, which from historical accounts was deliberately targeted at the Black community.

That being said, Blacks are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of the annual murders, most of them being against other Black people. Something like 18% of the population accounting for 52% of the total murders annually.

There is undoubtedly reform needed in the justice system, but if your community generates most of the crime, it's logical that your community will be more policed. Real change has to come through the ballot box, vote in candidates who represent the Black community and go from there.

Help!!!!

vetinari wrote: »

I think the police should do their job and respond to violent crime. Proactively attempting to stop and search as many black people as possible for contraband is discrimination.

At what point would some people here think the system has a problem? The US has the largest prison population in the world.

The reason so many black people are being stopped & searched is because the problem is in their neighbourhoods, I don't understand how people cant see that. If they pull over 50 black people & find 2 guns, theres 2 less guns on the street. As someone who has been stopped & searched by police quite a few times, I have never had a problem with it. I understand their jobs are hard enough. It takes 5mins of your life unless you give them problems.
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear

Overheal

Help!!!! wrote: »

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear

So you are ok with being wiretapped, having your webcamera turn on without any notification, having your location monitored, your text messages sifted through, and revealing your real name as your username instead of using a pseudonym? Having a federal agency know your browsing habits, what food you buy, where you buy gas, when you're at home and when you're not? If you have nothing to hide. Screw the 4th amendment right?

The problem is in their neighborhoods because t has been designed that way. Black neighborhoods weren't full of guns when Nixon decided to wage a war on drugs. His administration knew what they were doing.

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html?client=safari

Help!!!!

Overheal wrote: »

So you are ok with being wiretapped, having your webcamera turn on without any notification, having your location monitored, your text messages sifted through, and revealing your real name as your username instead of using a pseudonym? Having a federal agency know your browsing habits, what food you buy, where you buy gas, when you're at home and when you're not? If you have nothing to hide. Screw the 4th amendment right?

The problem is in their neighborhoods because t has been designed that way. Black neighborhoods weren't full of guns when Nixon decided to wage a war on drugs. His administration knew what they were doing.

Couldn't care less, if someone wants to waste their time checking what I'm doing then fire ahead.
Ok so lets get rid of all the surveillance & lets say a terrorist bomb goes off killing members of your family are you going to say too bad but at least we have the 4th amendment?
Yes we all know about Nixon etc but that was the 70s & we have had a black president for the last 8 years. Some people prefer to act like victims so they don't have to solve their own problems

Overheal

Help!!!! wrote: »

Couldn't care less, if someone wants to waste their time checking what I'm doing then fire ahead.
Ok so lets get rid of all the surveillance & lets say a terrorist bomb goes off killing members of your family are you going to say too bad but at least we have the 4th amendment?
Yes we all know about Nixon etc but that was the 70s & we have had a black president for the last 8 years. Some people prefer to act like victims so they don't have to solve their own problems

If the fear of a small bomb is what kills freedom it is a sad future. Freedom and safety aren't the same thing. Freedom carries risks. If you want to feel safe and snug as a subject of an Orwellian state for the slim chance someone might do you harm you can go right ahead and send all your passwords to the NSA, give the PD a copy of your car and house keys. But no don't impose that psychopathy on the rest of us.

It's not fair or logical to stop and frisk black neighborhoods when whites carry the same amount of drugs and commit the same kind of crimes. I have yet to see mandatory psychiatric screening for all young white males even though they are the most at risk to commit violent mass shootings.

oscarBravo

Help!!!! wrote: »

Some people prefer to act like victims so they don't have to solve their own problems

And some people are so convinced that there must be something inherently wrong with black people that there's nothing that could possibly convince them that there is an endemic racism problem in the American justice system.

Help!!!!

oscarBravo wrote: »

And some people are so convinced that there must be something inherently wrong with black people that there's nothing that could possibly convince them that there is an endemic racism problem in the American justice system.

No doubt there are some racists in the American justice system but you cant say all are racist. All I'm saying is that the black community have to take some responsibility for the problems in their neighbourhoods. Then they can try to move forward.

Help!!!!

Overheal wrote: »

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It's not fair or logical to stop and frisk black neighborhoods when whites carry the same amount of drugs and commit the same kind of crimes. I have yet to see mandatory psychiatric screening for all young white males even though they are the most at risk to commit violent mass shootings.

Yes & if the whites were shooting & killing each other I would expect there to be a huge police presence in their neighbourhoods also.

Overheal

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yes & if the whites were shooting & killing each other I would expect there to be a huge police presence in their neighbourhoods also.

They do...

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/black-on-black-crime/



http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

oscarBravo

Help!!!! wrote: »

No doubt there are some racists in the American justice system but you cant say all are racist.

I guess it's a good thing I didn't say that, then.

All I'm saying is that the black community have to take some responsibility for the problems in their neighbourhoods. Then they can try to move forward.

So there should be no attempt to address the endemic racism in society until the victims of that racism make the first move?

That's charitable of you.

FA Hayek

Overheal wrote: »

They do...

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/black-on-black-crime/



http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

Well given that whites make up about, what 75% of the population and blacks make up about 12% of the population, it is safe to say or rather ask why so many black people are being killed by other blacks.