President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

Akrasia

Amerika wrote: »

Unfortunately you can’t separate global warming and climate change from Trump’s consequences as it is an important and key issue of the administration that affects domestic and international policy. Unfortunately what usually happens is I make a comment in this thread about global warming/energy/EPA, which is germane to the topic, and it sends many here into a full blown tailspin, derailing the thread for awhile. I dunno, it’s sort of like the term “Niagara Falls’ to Curly from the Three Stooges.

Threads get derailed when fringe contrarians insist that the established truth is wrong and then provide no good evidence to support their position.

Climate change is real and anyone who thinks we can fundamentally change the composition of our atmosphere without affecting the climate is blinded by ideology or too ignorant to know how wrong they are.

Akrasia

Leroy42 wrote: »

And you think Obama, you was pretty useless in getting Americas viewpoint across the rest of the world, not only managed to get everyone within his administration to agree to this idea (something Trump is currently finding pretty difficult to do within his own administration) also somehow managed to convince pretty much every other world leader to sign up to a treaty that had the possibility of hurting their country financially if not adhered to.

This all based on nothing more than some dodgy science?

And yet Trump sold himself as the ultimate deal maker?

Obama was just being duped by the Chinese according to Trump.

26000 Elephants

Akrasia wrote: »

Threads get derailed when fringe contrarians insist that the established truth is wrong and then provide no good evidence to support their position.

Climate change is real and anyone who thinks we can fundamentally change the composition of our atmosphere without affecting the climate is blinded by ideology or too ignorant to know how wrong they are.

Amerika is aiming for false equivalence. By repeatedly referencing the nonsensical 'flat earth' beliefs on climate change she tries to make it appear as if its a view that's on a par with the more accepted one.

Anything to draw attention from komrade Trumps worsening 'Russia' situation.

mcmoustache

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Amerika is aiming for false equivalence. By repeatedly referencing the nonsensical 'flat earth' beliefs on climate change she tries to make it appear as if its a view that's on a par with the more accepted one.

Anything to draw attention from komrade Trumps worsening 'Russia' situation.

Also, this isn't really the forum for it. The topic of climate change is one for the scientific fora.

BabyCheeses

mcmoustache wrote: »

Also, this isn't really the forum for it. The topic of climate change is one for the scientific fora.

Well at least we promoted it to a science from a religion now.

Professor Moriarty

Akrasia wrote: »

Threads get derailed when fringe contrarians insist that the established truth is wrong and then provide no good evidence to support their position.

Climate change is real and anyone who thinks we can fundamentally change the composition of our atmosphere without affecting the climate is blinded by ideology or too ignorant to know how wrong they are.

Allow me to recap if I may and apologies for repeating myself but there is a point to my arguing about climate change here. A poster posted this link when defending Scott Pruitt's appointment.

The link leads to an article in The Daily Wire. The Daily Wire is a website run by Ben Shapiro who used to work as an editor at Breitbart (you may have heard of them). The article was a lurid rehash of a Daily Mail article about a climate change report. The claims in the Daily Mail article were proven wrong here, here, here, here, here, etc. ad nauseam.

Here's why accuracy is important. A retired scientist, John Bates, writes an article suggesting that the methodology used in a report by America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration was not correct. This was picked up by a reporter, David Rose of The Daily Mail who wrote the sensationalist, inaccurate and discredited article having interviewed Bates.

This in turn was picked up by many right wing websites like the Daily Wire. It was then picked up by Fox who ran a piece under the headline "Federal scientist cooked climate change books ahead of Obama presentation, whistle blower charges". This headline is a lie.

Now we move to a House Science Committee hearing where the future of the EPA and other science agencies are under attack. Rep Lamar Smith, Chair of the committee and a climate change denier, used the false reportage to attack the NOAA saying that they had “deceived the American people by falsifying data to justify a partisan agenda”. He also used the false reportage to demand access to scientists' emails.

So: A disgruntled and retired scientist writes a blog questioning the methodology used in one report (since corroborated and validated) by a science agency. This is misreported and sensationalised until it becomes headline news across myriad websites, on Fox and is subsequently accepted as fact and misused by an influential politicians. Such as Lamar Smith and Donald Trump.

This is how fake news is made and used.

Hank Scorpio

Totally agree, fake news has gotten out of control.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trumps-photoshopped-hand_uk_588b9fb5e4b0a70a94d1d69a

Donald Trump’s ‘Photoshopped’ Hand Picture Has Everyone In A Spin

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/316834-daily-beast-falsely-ids-quebec-shooters-as-white-supremacists

Daily Beast falsely IDs Quebec shooters as white supremacists

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/02/trump-did-not-threaten-war-with-mexico-u-s-and-mexican-officials-agree/?utm_term=.900be33802b2

Trump did not threaten war with Mexico, U.S. and Mexican officials agree

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/315486-trump-attacks-time-report-for-mistake-about-mlk-bust

Trump attacks Time reporter for lie about MLK bust

http://www.snopes.com/trump-renamed-black-history-month/

Did President Trump Rename 'Black History Month' to 'African-American History Month'?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/02/14/fake-michael-flynn-twitter-account-tricks-nancy-pelosi-elijah-cummings/97924462/

Reps. Nancy Pelosi, Elijah Cummings fall for fake Flynn account on Twitter

http://www.snopes.com/trump-sanctions-russias-intelligence-agency-present-putin/

Did President Trump Ease Sanctions Against Russia's Intelligence Agency As a 'Gift' to Putin?

http://cdn.pinknews.co.uk/images/2016/11/trans-suicide-tweet_640x345_acf_cropped.jpg

Guardian reporter tweets rise in trans suicide since Trump victory

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html

Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-white-house-website.html?_r=1

Also on the day of the inauguration, New York Times writer Coral Davenport published an article on the Times’s website whose headline claimed that the Trump administration had “purged” any “climate change references” from the White House website.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.13a60008f5ed

The ‘Resignations’ At the State Department. Mark Toner, the acting spokesman for the State Department, put out a press release noting that “As is standard with every transition, the outgoing administration, in coordination with the incoming one, requested all politically appointed officers submit letters of resignation.” According to CNN, the officials were actually asked to leave by the Trump administration rather than stay on for the customary transitional few months. The entire premise of Rogin’s article was essentially nonexistent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-hager-mother-immigration-ban_us_5891577ae4b0522c7d3e01ae

“A local business owner who flew to Iraq to bring his mother back home to the US for medical treatment said she was blocked from returning home under President Trump’s ban on immigration and travel from seven predominately Muslim nations. He said that while she was waiting for approval to fly home, she died from an illness.” The man had lied about when his mother died.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/17/devos_says_guns_should_be_allowed_in_schools_to_shoot_grizzlies.html

“Betsy DeVos Says Guns Should Be Allowed in Schools. They Might Be Needed to Shoot Grizzlies”

During her confirmation hearing, education secretary nominee Betsy DeVos was asked whether schools should be able to have guns on their campuses. As NBC News reported, DeVos felt it was “best left to locales and states to decide.” She pointed out that one school in Wyoming had a fence around it to protect the students from wildlife. “I would imagine,” she said, “that there’s probably a gun in the school to protect from potential grizzlies.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/nancy-sinatra-donald-trump-my-way/

On the day of Trump’s inauguration, CNN claimed Nancy Sinatra was “not happy” with the fact that the president and first lady’s inaugural dance would be to the tune of Frank Sinatra’s “My Way.” The problem? Nancy Sinatra had never said any such thing and tweeted to CNN explaining this. CNN later updated the article without explaining the mistake they had made.

BabyCheeses

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Totally agree, fake news has gotten out of control.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trumps-photoshopped-hand_uk_588b9fb5e4b0a70a94d1d69a

Donald Trump’s ‘Photoshopped’ Hand Picture Has Everyone In A Spin

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/316834-daily-beast-falsely-ids-quebec-shooters-as-white-supremacists

Daily Beast falsely IDs Quebec shooters as white supremacists

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/02/trump-did-not-threaten-war-with-mexico-u-s-and-mexican-officials-agree/?utm_term=.900be33802b2

Trump did not threaten war with Mexico, U.S. and Mexican officials agree

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/315486-trump-attacks-time-report-for-mistake-about-mlk-bust

Trump attacks Time reporter for lie about MLK bust

http://www.snopes.com/trump-renamed-black-history-month/

Did President Trump Rename 'Black History Month' to 'African-American History Month'?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/02/14/fake-michael-flynn-twitter-account-tricks-nancy-pelosi-elijah-cummings/97924462/

Reps. Nancy Pelosi, Elijah Cummings fall for fake Flynn account on Twitter

http://www.snopes.com/trump-sanctions-russias-intelligence-agency-present-putin/

Did President Trump Ease Sanctions Against Russia's Intelligence Agency As a 'Gift' to Putin?

http://cdn.pinknews.co.uk/images/2016/11/trans-suicide-tweet_640x345_acf_cropped.jpg

Guardian reporter tweets rise in trans suicide since Trump victory

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html

Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-white-house-website.html?_r=1

Also on the day of the inauguration, New York Times writer Coral Davenport published an article on the Times’s website whose headline claimed that the Trump administration had “purged” any “climate change references” from the White House website.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.13a60008f5ed

The ‘Resignations’ At the State Department. Mark Toner, the acting spokesman for the State Department, put out a press release noting that “As is standard with every transition, the outgoing administration, in coordination with the incoming one, requested all politically appointed officers submit letters of resignation.” According to CNN, the officials were actually asked to leave by the Trump administration rather than stay on for the customary transitional few months. The entire premise of Rogin’s article was essentially nonexistent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-hager-mother-immigration-ban_us_5891577ae4b0522c7d3e01ae

“A local business owner who flew to Iraq to bring his mother back home to the US for medical treatment said she was blocked from returning home under President Trump’s ban on immigration and travel from seven predominately Muslim nations. He said that while she was waiting for approval to fly home, she died from an illness.” The man had lied about when his mother died.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/17/devos_says_guns_should_be_allowed_in_schools_to_shoot_grizzlies.html

“Betsy DeVos Says Guns Should Be Allowed in Schools. They Might Be Needed to Shoot Grizzlies”

During her confirmation hearing, education secretary nominee Betsy DeVos was asked whether schools should be able to have guns on their campuses. As NBC News reported, DeVos felt it was “best left to locales and states to decide.” She pointed out that one school in Wyoming had a fence around it to protect the students from wildlife. “I would imagine,” she said, “that there’s probably a gun in the school to protect from potential grizzlies.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/nancy-sinatra-donald-trump-my-way/

On the day of Trump’s inauguration, CNN claimed Nancy Sinatra was “not happy” with the fact that the president and first lady’s inaugural dance would be to the tune of Frank Sinatra’s “My Way.” The problem? Nancy Sinatra had never said any such thing and tweeted to CNN explaining this. CNN later updated the article without explaining the mistake they had made.

Is this your attempt at explaining the narrative that failed?

I heard it was the biggest inauguration ever, and the biglyest landslide victory ever.

Hank Scorpio

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Is this your attempt at explaining the narrative that failed?

I heard it was the biggest inauguration ever, and the biglyest landslide victory ever.

No, it's an attempt at pointing out the hypocrisy in the fake news narrative that it solely comes from the right, while the left are just as guilty. It backfired bigly thankfully.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/its-time-to-retire-the-tainted-term-fake-news/2017/01/06/a5a7516c-d375-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.fe6052540503

BabyCheeses

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

No, it's an attempt at pointing out the fake news narrative that is solely aimed at the right while the left are just as guilty. It backfired bigly thankfully.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/its-time-to-retire-the-tainted-term-fake-news/2017/01/06/a5a7516c-d375-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.fe6052540503

Ah ok. Are you ever going to explain what the narrative you claimed existed was?

What do you think of the fake news coming straight from the white house? The news which is actual lies, not them being tricked.

Hank Scorpio

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Ah ok. Are you ever going to explain what the narrative you claimed existed was?

What do you think of the fake news coming straight from the white house?

Like what, the liberal medias hysteria over Trumps comment on a Fox news segment about Sweden?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39047455

BabyCheeses

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Like what, the liberal medias hysteria over Trumps comment on a Fox news segment about Sweden?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/?utm_term=.53807211eb55#comments

Hank, I don't know why you bother. You pop up now and again to share whatever crap the pedes have come out with and whenever a person actual tries to have a discussion you just keep going and ignore whatever they say.
You refuse to back anything up and refuse to talk about anything that is provable about Trump and his administration.

Hank Scorpio

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Hank, I don't know why you bother. You pop up now and again to share whatever crap the pedes have come out with and whenever a person actual tries to have a discussion you just keep going and ignore whatever they say.
You refuse to back anything up and refuse to talk about anything that is provable about Trump and his administration.

What actually happens is whenever I answer a question, I'm met with several more. I've said plenty of negative things about Trump, I fail to fall into the hysteria of the liberal media.

How's the Russia conspiracy working out?

Water John

Hank that is a balanced article when one reads it all.
I suppose we must now credit DT with phycic abilities.
They do say the problem is rare and that reported rape are down on 2014.
Also there has been no terrorist attack in the last 6 years.

oscarBravo

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Like what, the liberal medias hysteria over Trumps comment on a Fox news segment about Sweden?

There was no hysteria. Trump's comment wasn't, on the face of it, about a Fox news segment; his comment was about what had happened the previous night in Sweden, which was nothing whatsoever. The media, understandably, wanted to know what the hell Trump was talking about.

Mind you, that latter sentence is a succinct description of the entire first month of the most farcical and ludicrous presidency in history.

As it turned out, he was talking about something he'd seen on the news. Which, again, tends to be a succinct description of almost everything he comes out with, since his entire worldview seems to consist of whatever he last heard on Fox.

It still astonishes me that intelligent people are comfortable hitching their wagon to someone who has already almost certainly firmly carved his historical niche as the single worst thing ever to happen to the Oval Office - and that's saying something.

BabyCheeses

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

What actually happens is whenever I answer a question, I'm met with several more.

How's the Russia conspiracy working out?

Always the victim.

Hows that narrative you refuse to back up going? Hows the lie about the inauguration going? Hows having to fire people for ties to Russia going? Hows having the lowest approval of any starting president going? What happened in Sweden the night Trump talked about? If you just made it up, say so. It isn't like you can make me think any less of Trump supporters, you're probably the main reason why I think attempting to talk and reason with them is pointless.

Hank Scorpio

Water John wrote: »

Hank that is a balanced article when one reads it all.
I suppose we must now credit DT with phycic abilities.
They do say the problem is rare and that reported rape are down on 2014.
Also there has been no terrorist attack in the last 6 years.

Do you not think the bigger picture should be to realize mass immigration from terror prone regions is failing miserably yet Democrats and their controlled media focus on downplaying it, rather than focus on what Trump said about his inauguration attendance?

listermint

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Do you not think the bigger picture should be to realize mass immigration from terror prone regions is failing miserably yet Democrats and their controlled media focus on downplaying it, rather than focus on what Trump said about his inauguration attendance?

No because people migrated en masse for centuries.

It's gas that you don't actually know that considering the knowledge you claim on the topic.


Like


Gas.

Hank Scorpio

listermint wrote: »

No because people migrated in mass for centuries.

It's gas that you don't actually know that considering the knowledge you claim on the topic.


Like


Gas.

Not mass migration from terror regions where their ideologies fail to integrate into Western culture. Why has there been a rise in populist candidates in recent years if everything is rosy?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal and a quarter want Sharia law.

Do you find that to be a problem?

recedite

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Like what, the liberal medias hysteria over Trumps comment on a Fox news segment about Sweden?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39047455

Most people in this thread will continue to deny any of that stuff happens, and instead focus on a minor slip of the tongue. So what if DJT mentioned events "last night in Sweden" instead of "on the TV last night about Sweden"?
The Fox news TV program DJT referred to was correct, and that BBC report of even more such events occurring the next day just show that such events are ongoing and have become "the new normal" there.
That was his (very valid) point.

listermint

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Not mass migration from terror regions where their ideologies fail to integrate into Western culture. Why has there been a rise in populist candidates in recent years if everything is rosy?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal and a quarter want Sharia law.

Do you find that to be a problem?

Yes mass migrations from various regions with religious wars.


Your facts are awful. You seem to be eating up propaganda and the regurgitating it here hoping for response.

It doesn't work when those that view it know how to argue their case though.

ThisRegard

recedite wrote: »

Most people in this thread will continue to deny any of that stuff happens, and instead focus on a minor slip of the tongue. So what if DJT mentioned events "last night in Sweden" instead of "on the TV last night about Sweden"?
The Fox news TV program DJT referred to was correct, and that BBC report of even more such events occurring the next day just show that such events are ongoing and have become "the new normal" there.

Everything is wrong about this post. Referring to non existent events is ok because the POTUS was actually watching a discredited documentary on Fox News instead?

BabyCheeses

recedite wrote: »

Most people in this thread will continue to deny any of that stuff happens, and instead focus on a minor slip of the tongue. So what if DJT mentioned events "last night in Sweden" instead of "on the TV last night about Sweden"?
The Fox news TV program DJT referred to was correct, and that BBC report of even more such events occurring the next day just show that such events are ongoing and have become "the new normal" there.
That was his (very valid) point.

In fairness, the man can barely string a sentence together so I suppose we shouldn't take him too literally.

Isn't that the video where the guy from the police they interviewed said they edited what he said and the questions?

oscarBravo

recedite wrote: »

Most people in this thread will continue to deny any of that stuff happens...

Go on, post the list of hand grenade attacks again.

Hank Scorpio

listermint wrote: »

Yes mass migrations from various regions with religious wars.


Your facts are awful. You seem to be eating up propaganda and the regurgitating it here hoping for response.

It doesn't work when those that view it know how to argue their case though.

Yeah luckily I live in the real world and I'm not alone.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/02/09/what-do-europeans-think-muslim-immigration-majority-agree-trump/97682410/

BabyCheeses

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Yeah luckily I live in the real world and I'm not alone.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/02/09/what-do-europeans-think-muslim-immigration-majority-agree-trump/97682410/

Is there a random link generator or what?

Try a recipe next, something with chocolate.

Hank Scorpio

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Is there a random link generator or what?

Try a recipe next, something with chocolate.

Here's a reply worthy of what you wrote.

"But muh narrative."

listermint

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Yeah luckily I live in the real world and I'm not alone.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/02/09/what-do-europeans-think-muslim-immigration-majority-agree-trump/97682410/

I don't think you do. I'd garner you actually don't know a single Muslim person . Haven't held a conversation with a neighbour or colleague who is Muslim haven't spoken to their kids .

We used to call this ignorance but now it's accepted as rational response to make up stuff .

We had the same problem ourselves for decades in the UK. Irrational it's sad that you've forgotten that.

Hank Scorpio

listermint wrote: »

I don't think you do. I'd garner you actually don't know a single Muslim person . Haven't held a conversation with a neighbour or colleague who is Muslim haven't spoken to their kids .

We used to call this ignorance but now it's accepted as rational response to make up stuff .

We had the same problem ourselves for decades in the UK. Irrational it's sad that you've forgotten that.

I've been to the UK on and off over the last 10 years and I've seen how it's changed. I wasn't surprised at the brexit vote and I wasn't surprised Trump won. I won't be surprised if Len Pen wins and I won't be surprised if Geert Wilders wins, nor will I be surprised when Merkel loses. The blatant suppression of free speech and defending culture in fear of being labeled racist by the left is coming to an end and you can only thank the aggressive nature of the liberal media and spineless politicians for that.

There's no need to bring personal attacks into it citing personal experiences for the moral ground.

recedite

oscarBravo wrote: »

Go on, post the list of hand grenade attacks again.

You'd confidently explain to me that hand grenades are mostly thrown by "people involved in organised crime".
Yes, outside of an actual battlefield, that does tend to be the case.

But which people, and in which areas..