President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

Professor Moriarty

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

It's under investigation now so we'll get the truth.

A more recent example would be Schumer getting a visa for a sex offender who molested a child when he got over.

http://nypost.com/2017/03/03/indian-athlete-arrested-for-sex-abuse-after-schumer-gillibrand-got-him-visa/

It's the New York Post so it's not very well written. What point are you making?

Hank Scorpio

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's the New York Post so it's not very well written. What point are you making?

That Democrats are obsessed with identity Politics beyond common sense, but that's common knowledge. It's also common to mock right wing news outlets, so here's the same story in the WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/indian-athlete-who-overcame-the-travel-ban-arrested-for-sexual-abuse-in-new-york/2017/03/03/47799758-d1ad-4cd5-8673-8459b7c2768e_story.html?utm_term=.95c8cbe1cd3b

Professor Moriarty

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

That Democrats are obsessed with identity Politics beyond common sense, but that's common knowledge. It's also common to mock right wing news outlets, so here's the same story in the WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/indian-athlete-who-overcame-the-travel-ban-arrested-for-sexual-abuse-in-new-york/2017/03/03/47799758-d1ad-4cd5-8673-8459b7c2768e_story.html?utm_term=.95c8cbe1cd3b

I'm still unsure of what the point is? An Indian athlete is accused of molesting a twelve year old girl. It's obviously not pleasant reading but I fail to see any relevance to Donald Trump.

Christy42

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

That Democrats are obsessed with identity Politics beyond common sense, but that's common knowledge. It's also common to mock right wing news outlets, so here's the same story in the WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/indian-athlete-who-overcame-the-travel-ban-arrested-for-sexual-abuse-in-new-york/2017/03/03/47799758-d1ad-4cd5-8673-8459b7c2768e_story.html?utm_term=.95c8cbe1cd3b

You still don't have a point here. A tourist competing in an event may or may not have committed a pretty horrific crime. If this was done he should face a severe penalty.

Now what in the world is your problem given the justice system seems to at work here?

B0jangles

On the proposed healthcare bill that trump has loudly hailed:

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/839472691535101952

Guess what demographic is going to be disproportionately affected?

Adding image in case tweet doesnt embed

Hank Scorpio

The point is he was refused a visa. A totally avoidable situation.

Professor Moriarty

B0jangles wrote: »

On the proposed healthcare bill that trump has loudly hailed:

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/839472691535101952

Guess what demographic is going to be disproportionately affected?

The rich people in Trump's swamp? What's my prize?

Professor Moriarty

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The point is he was refused a visa. A totally avoidable situation.

So a person was refused a visa and then, on appeal, got in to the country where they molested a young girl. What is your point regarding Trump?

Christy42

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The point is he was refused a visa. A totally avoidable situation.

We don't even know why they were refused a visa. It could have been a clerical error. What we're people to say, "hmm we made a mistake in your visa application and we can't reverse it in case you sexually molest a small girl?"

Unless there was real evidence that this person would commit a crime you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Hank Scorpio

Paul Ryan is a snake tied in with the insurance companies, he was getting drilled tonight even on Fox. Rand Paul has a much better proposed plan and has been making a lot of noise. There's a big divide in the Republican party over it. Trump supporters haven't been critical of him much but today I seen a tonne of it online, and rightly so.

B0jangles

Point is Trump is very supportive of the new plan:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839086723552411648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

hard to handwave that away...

Hank Scorpio

Christy42 wrote: »

We don't even know why they were refused a visa. It could have been a clerical error. What we're people to say, "hmm we made a mistake in your visa application and we can't reverse it in case you sexually molest a small girl?"

Unless there was real evidence that this person would commit a crime you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Take the mountain out of a molehill stuff to the WaPo or whover else reported the story. He was denied entry for unreleased reasons but Schumer forced a visa though. If it was insignificant it wouldn't have been published.

Hank Scorpio

B0jangles wrote: »

hard to handwave that away...

Nobody I seen is, even on very pro Trump forums they've been calling for Rand Paul's bill. Breitbart is doing the same thing with this top headline all day.

"Sen. Rand Paul on Paul Ryan’s Obamacare Lite: Speaker ‘Trying to Pull the Wool Over the Eyes of the President’"

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/08/exclusive-sen-rand-paul-paul-ryans-obamacare-lite-speaker-trying-pull-wool-eyes-president/

I have a bad feeling about Paul Ryan, long before the election ended.

Professor Moriarty

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Take the mountain out of a molehill stuff to the WaPo or whover else reported the story. He was denied entry for unreleased reasons but Schumer forced a visa though. If it was insignificant it wouldn't have been published.

But you brought it up in this post:

It's under investigation now so we'll get the truth.

A more recent example would be Schumer getting a visa for a sex offender who molested a child when he got over.

http://nypost.com/2017/03/03/indian-...-got-him-visa/

Either there is a point to this post or there's not?

B0jangles

Yes but TRUMP HIMSELF THINKS THE BILL IS GOOD

Whatever breitbart and r/the_donald think, the President, Donald J. Trump, The Man Who Can Do No Wrong thinks this is a good plan.

Hank Scorpio

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

But you brought it up in this post:

It's under investigation now so we'll get the truth.

A more recent example would be Schumer getting a visa for a sex offender who molested a child when he got over.

http://nypost.com/2017/03/03/indian-...-got-him-visa/

Either there is a point to this post or there's not?

The point is clear, Schumer and his ilk will do anything to oppose Trump. It's related because the original post was about letting the Iraqi insurgent run free for alleged Political reasons.

Hank Scorpio

B0jangles wrote: »

Yes but TRUMP HIMSELF THINKS THE BILL IS GOOD

Whatever breitbart and r/the_donald think, the President, Donald J. Trump, The Man Who Can Do No Wrong thinks this is a good plan.

Did you miss the part where I said he's rightly being criticised for supporting it?

Zubeneschamali

B0jangles wrote: »

Yes but TRUMP HIMSELF THINKS THE BILL IS GOOD.

Well of course - it takes coverage from the poorest, it takes lots of money from the old and middle class, and it gives a big tax cut to billionaires.

What's not to like?

B0jangles

So how do you think this is going to play out exactly? Trump has already alienated pretty much everyone except his own hardcore supporters, by supporting Ryan's Bill he is finally alienating even them. He has achieved this 47 days into his presidency.

What do you think the long-term plan is? Do you think there even IS a long-term plan beyond make money and run for the hills?

Leroy42

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Leroy42 wrote: »

Where is the evidence that it was done on the behest of HC and to stop him would help Trump?

Seems as if there was some disagreement over whether he should be allowed in based on a lack of definitive documentation. A call was made. Could be right, could be wrong. But you have directly linked HC, and a conspiracy to effect the election. You will need more than conjecture to make that stand up

And isn't Iraq being taken out on the new EO, so now Trump is saying that he will simply exacerbate the problem?

It's under investigation now so we'll get the truth.

A more recent example would be Schumer getting a visa for a sex offender who molested a child when he got over.

http://nypost.com/2017/03/03/indian-athlete-arrested-for-sex-abuse-after-schumer-gillibrand-got-him-visa/

So no proof at all then Hank.

Just supposition and guesswork based on your bias.

Professor Moriarty

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The point is clear, Schumer and his ilk will do anything to oppose Trump. It's related because the original post was about letting the Iraqi insurgent run free for alleged Political reasons.

No. There is no point. It's a nothing story. It's got nothing to do with Trump, Iraqis or political reasons. It says nothing about Schumer V Trump. Nothing at all.

Hank Scorpio

Leroy42 wrote: »

So no proof at all then Hank.

Just supposition and guesswork based on your bias.

Eh, no different than all the proof and unnamed sources that's been posted in the NYT's and WaPo about Trump and Russia.

PopePalpatine

Leroy42 wrote: »

So no proof at all then Hank.

Just supposition and guesswork based on your bias.

But the important thing is he managed to deflect like a good "pede" (as his kind like to call themselves on their safe spaces like /r/The_Donald) through a "B-b-but Hillary!” :rolleyes:

B0jangles

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Well of course - it takes coverage from the poorest, it takes lots of money from the old and middle class, and it gives a big tax cut to billionaires.

What's not to like?

My (admittedly limited) understanding of the situation is that the insurance/healthcare system in the US would quite possibly collapse as a result of this bill; apparently if you have a gap in insurance coverage for more than 64 days, you have to pay a 30% penalty for a year after you get coverage again.

So if you are unlucky enough to lose your job and lose healthcare for a couple of months, you'll have pay hundreds of dollars extra for the next year to get it back.



Young healthy people on low incomes are unlikely to be able to afford this, so they'll take their chances and just won't buy health insurance. If this is a widespread pattern, then the pool of people willing to buy health insurance will end up getting smaller and sicker, thus less profitable. Costs will spiral upwards and only make the situation get worse and worse.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/8/14859256/ahca-poor-penalty-tax-credits

demfad

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Eh, no different than all the proof and unnamed sources that's been posted in the NYT's and WaPo about Trump and Russia.

The sources are from the US Intelligence community: in the 'constant contacts between US and Russian Officlas/Intelligence' case: 7 US intelligence people.
Why would you need the actual individual names?
Trump has publicly acknowledged that the leaks are REAL. Leaks aren't really possible if the leaker is identified.
You seem to be implying that not identifying the individuals somehow deligitimises the content of what was leaked.

Hank Scorpio

B0jangles wrote: »

So how do you think this is going to play out exactly? Trump has already alienated pretty much everyone except his own hardcore supporters, by supporting Ryan's Bill he is finally alienating even them. He has achieved this 47 days into his presidency.

What do you think the long-term plan is? Do you think there even IS a long-term plan beyond make money and run for the hills?

Needs to listen to Rand Paul. I don't think there's much he can do, Paul was shut out from the house Republicans when they were making the secret bill. I feel sorry for him, he's one of the few people in there who I actually trust.

And I agree with you, if Trump doesn't change and continues to support it without any resistance a lot of people will quickly change their opinion.

I've read there's three phases to implementing the bill, and their hands are tied to change certain aspects of it right away because it will require extra votes in the Senate, that's Ryan's excuse anyway.

Hank Scorpio

demfad wrote: »

The sources are from the US Intelligence community: in one case 7 of them.
Why would you need the actual individual names?
Trump has publicly acknowledged that the leaks are REAL. Leaks aren't really possible if the leaker is identified.
You seem to be implying that not identifying the individuals somehow deligitimises the content of what was leaked.

What's your point, none of the leaks show any collusion. Same hysteria over Sessions, common for a Senator to meet with foreign ambassadors from time to time. The context of him being asked about the CNN revelations is lost. Until there's something showing collusion, it's all noise.

Been going on for ages now, ultimate fake news.

https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/793237359508721669?lang=en

Leroy42

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Eh, no different than all the proof and unnamed sources that's been posted in the NYT's and WaPo about Trump and Russia.

Right, you you admit its BS, served up just to try and deflect.

There are clear issues with Trump and Russia, the continuing lies coming from Flynn, Sessions and Trump himself give the idea some legs.

That is vastly different than just making up stuff. Instead of blaming some conspiracy with HC and the election, why not blame god, or the fairies, or Mexicans or anything since they all have the same standing.

I can point to a series of mistruths by those around him and a clear strategy of lying by Donald to call into question anything he has to say and particularly given the increasing close ties with Russia it is right to ask a question. That and the fact that US democracy itself might be at stake.

Your story is based on nothing more than trying to deflect

Leroy42

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Been going on for ages now, ultimate fake news.

https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/793237359508721669?lang=en

Really? You are going to bring up a tweet to point out fake news?

Trump tweeted about the crowd sizes - fake
Trump tweeted Obama ordering wire tapping on him - fake
Trump tweeted about Obama birth cert - Fake

Amerika

robinph wrote: »

Think you may have forgotten the first part of your story by the time you got to the end of writing it.

Which is the bigliest crime there? Hacking and collusion with the Russians, or someone else knowing that there was hacking and collusion with the Russians due to wiretaps on Russians?

Anyone can make charges. Let’s look at the progression of the story.

• Obama’s Justice Department considered a criminal investigation aimed at a number of Trump’s associates. When they didn’t find anything criminal, they converted the investigation into an intelligence probe under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
  
• So, Obama’s Justice Department decides to ask FISA to spy on several of Trump's associates, and the FISA court refused permission to do so.
  
• Since ‘No’ was not an acceptable answer, the Obama administration then comes back during the final weeks of the election with a narrower request that didn’t specifically mention Trump, and is granted permission.

Appears to be abuse of power and a witch hunt leveled against Trump to me. That's the biggest crime since no collusion with the Russians has been proven to exist.