President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

RobertKK

I see CNN will have a special on Vladimir Putin whom CNN label 'The most powerful man in the world', which is something one use to say about the US President...they say Putin has absolute power.
The promo for the program seems to say on one hand hand - Russia got involved in the US elections, to elect Trump and Putin is happy to take credit, on the other hand - not to help Trump, but due to the sheer hatred of Hillary Clinton. Putin absolutely hated her and they didn't get on.

Tuesday at 1am on CNN.

RobertKK

MightyMandarin wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-state-department-saudi-arabia-arms-sales-yemen-air-strikes-barack-obama-block-weapons-a7620821.html

So Donald's pal Rex Tillerson approved a $1.15bn sale of tanks and weapons to the Saudi's. What was that about 'funding Saudi Arabia = Funding ISIS'? I thought Hillary was the only one in cahoots with them?

Oh, and before the usual suspects chime in that it was 'Obama's deal'



Looks like the same old crap coming from the Trump Admin. yet again.

As the years go by and nothing changes, I think the Pentagon runs the US, and I prefer some of Russia's allies than some of the US allies.
I prefer Iran over Saudi Arabia. I don't think the extremism in Shia Islam is anywhere close to the extremism in Sunni Islam.
I don't think Trump is right the way he seems to hate Iran, and gone silent on Saudi Arabia, who before he became president was doing something I admired - he called out the Saudis over 9/11 and their support of terrorism, now one might as well be deaf as one would not miss anything as Trump has gone silent.
The arms deal is supporting the war in Yemen, a proxy war between the Saudis and Iran, and the US should be ashamed to be supporting such a war given the starvation that the Saudis implemented against Yemeni civilians.
The US can't pretend to be a moral authority, it hasn't been one for many years and Trump is doing nothing to change it.

Peregrinus

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The leaks against Trump are coming within his own intelligence agencies, it's a different situation. He's not at fault.

Whether or not he's "at fault", but he's responsible; he's the chief executive. This is happening on his watch.

And in fact he is at fault, and more than just because he's the chief executive. He's a chief executive who behaves in ways calculated to encourage and incentivize leaking. Not only has he a record of cheerleading for leaks and leakers when the outcome happens to suit him, but he also has a management style that involve bullying, bragging, lying and ignoring inconvenient realities. Right now, the way to get Trump to act on information is to leak it. That's a stance pretty much guaranteed to lead to the leaking of important but potentially embarrassing information and, lo and behold, we're getting an awful lot of such leaks.

26000 Elephants

Peregrinus wrote: »

Whether or not he's "at fault", but he's responsible; he's the chief executive. This is happening on his watch.

And in fact he is at fault, and more than just because he's the chief executive. He's a chief executive who behave in ways calculated to encourage and incentivize leaking. Not only has he a record of cheerleading for leaks and leakers when the outcome happens to suit him, but he also has a management style that involve bullying, bragging, lying and ignoring inconvenient realities. Right now, the way to get Trump to act on information is to leak it. That's a stance pretty much guaranteed to lead to the leaking of important but potentially embarrassing information and, lo and behold, we're getting an awful lot of such leaks.

Trump apologists will never understand the difference between cheer-leading and leadership.

Trump uses the former to disguise his total lack of the latter.

26000 Elephants

Sessions has fired 46 State Attorneys today.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/breaking-jeff-sessions-fires-46-remaining-obama-appointed-u-s-attorneys/

Its not unusual, but blanket culls are. Interesting to note that the NY SA prosecuted a russian gambling ring that operated out of.... Trump Tower.

Story here...

Overheal

Surprising no-one, after 8 years of yelling and hollering about how unemployment numbers were misleading, bla bla bla, they are suddenly gospel and canon when they begin trending positively for this administration

http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-dont-think-its-hypocritical-kayleigh-mcenany-has-no-problem-with-trumps-flip-flop-on-job-numbers/

Nevermind that even the U-6 data greatly illustrates how far the recovery has got us back to.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189068/bls-unemployment-seasonally-adjusted.aspx.aspx

The hypocrisy is thick enough to walk on.

FatherTed

Overheal wrote: »

Surprising no-one, after 8 years of yelling and hollering about how unemployment numbers were misleading, bla bla bla, they are suddenly gospel and canon when they begin trending positively for this administration

http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-dont-think-its-hypocritical-kayleigh-mcenany-has-no-problem-with-trumps-flip-flop-on-job-numbers/

Nevermind that even the U-6 data greatly illustrates how far the recovery has got us back to.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189068/bls-unemployment-seasonally-adjusted.aspx.aspx

The hypocrisy is thick enough to walk on.

Not surprising but the bigger problem is the people who blindly buy into this chaotic fiasco.

Leroy42

Whilst of course the foundations of the job growth ate due to Obama, it is still positive that his election is having no negative effects on the economy.

Stock Ex is soaring ahead, job numbers suggest companies are continuing to hire and are therefore confident of the future.

Igotadose

Hey, ,some hackers find damaging tweets about Trump's best boy Manafort. I love this quote from Manafort's daughter - his daughter, ferchrissakes:

"“Don't fool yourself,” Andrea Manafort wrote. “That money we have is blood money.”"

It's all about Manafort getting $$ to destabilize Ukraine (killing people of course) in support of Yanukovych. Imagine - he was a Campaign manager for the POTUS. If not for that EEEEEVIL MSM, Manafort might be chief of staff today or worse.

Other gems:
Her sister Andrea Manafort responded by referring to their father’s relationship with Trump as “The most dangerous friendship in America,” while in another exchange she called them “a perfect pair” of “power-hungry egomaniacs,” and asserted “the only reason my dad is doing this campaign is for sport. He likes the challenge. It's like an egomaniac's chess game. There's no money motivation.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/manaforts-ukrainian-blood-money-caused-qualms-hack-suggests-235473

listermint

Overheal wrote: »

Surprising no-one, after 8 years of yelling and hollering about how unemployment numbers were misleading, bla bla bla, they are suddenly gospel and canon when they begin trending positively for this administration

http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-dont-think-its-hypocritical-kayleigh-mcenany-has-no-problem-with-trumps-flip-flop-on-job-numbers/

Nevermind that even the U-6 data greatly illustrates how far the recovery has got us back to.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189068/bls-unemployment-seasonally-adjusted.aspx.aspx

The hypocrisy is thick enough to walk on.

What is amusing is that you put these figures down to this adminstration.

The lols is thick in this post.

Trump hasn't adversely affected the foundations laid before him on the jobs front thankfully. But it's only been a few weeks.

Awaits next positive announcements that have nothing to do with this adminstration.............

26000 Elephants

March 20th will be a fun day, with Senate intelligence committee hearings starting (it will be on the telly apparently, which is nice) and top of the billing on day one goes to none other than alleged "traitor for trying to do her job according to the constitution" Sarah Yates.

I wonder what she will have to say about the sequence of events that led up to her firing?

Wanderer78

Leroy42 wrote:

Stock Ex is soaring ahead, job numbers suggest companies are continuing to hire and are therefore confident of the future.

Does the stock market reflect the true state of an economy?

listermint

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Does the stock market reflect the true state of an economy?

No it indicates that people are bullish that they will be looked after by the administration

RobertKK

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Does the stock market reflect the true state of an economy?

It reflects the promise of lower taxes and incentives that will make US companies have more money to spend, their corporation tax will still be higher than ours, but not the prohibitive 35%, which has been increasingly out of sync with most other countries who have been cutting corporation tax.

Also pharma and biotech stocks have surged as Trump promises to make it easier to get drugs approved, and/or used as a last resort in cases where a patient have been told there is nothing more that can be done for them.
This already happens in Europe, where a young child was told there was nothing more that could be done to treat the cancer given all treatments had failed, but were then given a dispensation to use a drug by Cellectis that was not approved, and is still years away from approval, but the child was going to die so it was allowed.
The drug uses one own immune system to target the cancer cells and kill them. The child in question made a full recovery and no signs of cancer remaining.
So it looks like the US is going down this path, rather than say there is nothing more that can be done, drugs in development and not approved may be allowed in patients who are told there is nothing more that can be done. We know from the experience in the EU it can save lives.
For all criticism Trump gets, and everyone deserves criticism - once it is constructive criticism, he is also doing good which some people would rather not acknowledge.

RobertKK

So Nordstrom and whoever else who stopped selling Ivanka Trump products, really helped sales.

Last Month at Amazon sales were up 332%, and at Macy's sales were up 148%.

Igotadose

RobertKK wrote: »

For all criticism Trump gets, and everyone deserves criticism - once it is constructive criticism, he is also doing good which some people would rather not acknowledge.

Please give an example of a few good things Trump's done so far, as against promised (like the pharma thing you quote happening in Europe, is it more than a promise now?) After all, anything regarding drug approval is kind of a two-edged sword vs. safety, and per Trump, add a regulation, need to remove two so which ones go?

As it is, we hear plenty about the bad things he's done, the foolish/nasty/repugnant things he says, and the scurrilous activities of his cabinet and staff. I'm more than willing to hear good things he's done.

Kitsunegari

RobertKK wrote: »

So Nordstrom and whoever else who stopped selling Ivanka Trump products, really helped sales.

Last Month at Amazon sales were up 332%, and at Macy's sales were up 148%.

Nordstrom's sales have been tanking for a while. It was a desperate attempt at some publicity that seems to have backfired and it only draws more attention to her product.

InTheTrees

RobertKK wrote: »

So it looks like the US is going down this path, rather than say there is nothing more that can be done, drugs in development and not approved may be allowed in patients who are told there is nothing more that can be done.

So he takes away healthcare for the poor and raises costs for the elderly and then makes it easier for his friends in big pharma to basically test unapproved drugs on these people?

ECO_Mental

RobertKK wrote: »

So Nordstrom and whoever else who stopped selling Ivanka Trump products, really helped sales.

Last Month at Amazon sales were up 332%, and at Macy's sales were up 148%.

It also helps that in every single press conference or televised meeting that his lordship has she wears her own brand.... Nothing wrong with that is there?

PopePalpatine

InTheTrees wrote: »

So he takes away healthcare for the poor and raises costs for the elderly and then makes it easier for his friends in big pharma to basically test unapproved drugs on these people?

No wonder "Punchable Faces" cover star Martin Shkreli loves him. :rolleyes:

26000 Elephants

RobertKK wrote: »

For all criticism Trump gets, and everyone deserves criticism - once it is constructive criticism, he is also doing good which some people would rather not acknowledge.

Its deserved criticism. You are not expecting everyone to stand in front of a stopped clock, and cheer the 2 occasions it tells the right time?

26000 Elephants

RobertKK wrote: »

So Nordstrom and whoever else who stopped selling Ivanka Trump products, really helped sales.

Last Month at Amazon sales were up 332%, and at Macy's sales were up 148%.

Did you just make that up or do you have a credible business source for that data?

Amazon tanked last quarter, missing targets and lower revenues.

amazon IR data

Water John

Spicer having the flag pin upside down on his lapel, as a sign of distress, says it all.

Nody

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Did you just make that up or do you have a credible business source for that data?

Amazon tanked last quarter, missing targets and lower revenues.

amazon IR data

Sorry Elephant but I think it was quite obvious he was talking about Ivanka's collection sales rather than the stores in general

26000 Elephants

Nody wrote: »

Sorry Elephant but I think it was quite obvious he was talking about Ivanka's collection sales rather than the stores in general

Ah, stopped clock!!

26000 Elephants

Flynn paid FBI guy involved in HRC email 'scandal'?

https://twitter.com/nadabakos/status/840414820289540097

Peregrinus

RobertKK wrote: »

So Nordstrom and whoever else who stopped selling Ivanka Trump products, really helped sales.

Last Month at Amazon sales were up 332%, and at Macy's sales were up 148%.

Well, the obvious question; 332% of what? 148% of what? How do the extra sales clocked up through Amazon and Macy's stack up against the sales lost through the dropping of the brand from Nordstrom, Neiman Marcus, etc?

We're not told. Unsurprisingly, since almost anyone who draws attention to this question is going to be either (a) a Trump loyalist, or (b) a Trump opponent, so they're only going to draw attention to the part of the picture that bears out the line they are spinning.

So should we despair of dispassionate, balanced information on this subject? In this instance, no, because there is or will be some big-picture information available.

As befits the daughter of a man dedicated to Making America Great Again, almost everything sold under the Ivanka Trump label is made in China, Indonesia or Vietnam. Because her produce is imported into the US and import declarations must be made, it's possible through tracking publicly available records to identify the value of Ivanka Trump imports, quarter by quarter. Imports of Ivanka Trump branded produce for the 3 months ending in January were less than half what they were for the three months ending the previous September.

Now, there could be a number of factors at work there. They could have been running down stocks. Some of her lines may be seasonal. Etc, etc. So we'll have to wait a while and get a picture of import movements over an extended period to be able to reliably spot the underlying trend. But we can be confident of one thing. Factual McNuggets like "Amazon sales up 332%!" tell us a great deal more about the sympathies of the people passing them on than they do about the health of the brand.

Harika

Peregrinus wrote: »

Now, there could be a number of factors at work there. They could have been running down stocks. Some of her lines may be seasonal. Etc, etc. So we'll have to wait a while and get a picture of import movements over an extended period to be able to reliably spot the underlying trend. But we can be confident of one thing. Factual McNuggets like "Amazon sales up 332%!" tell us a great deal more about the sympathies of the people passing them on than they do about the health of the brand.

My predictions from what happened with similar issues recently, like the bakers who didn't sell cakes to a gay couple is following.
People that have never bought Ivanka products, are offended (or should I say triggered ) and buy her stuff to show support against the liberal leftists. The sales go up. After the storm cools down, the interest in her products fades again to a normal level, what caused the stores in the first place to remove them from their range. The baker mentioned above then had to close their shop, as customers kept away that would usually go there, and this is not compensated by new customers as there is no retention.

Itssoeasy

The thread title says "surprising consequences" but being honest nothing that Donald trump has done since he became president is in any way the least bit surprising.

Peregrinus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The thread title says "surprising consequences" but being honest nothing that Donald trump has done since he became president is in any way the least bit surprising.

Oh, that's hardly fair. In my wildest dreams I never imagined that a "prostitutes pissing in the bed" story would be in open circulation before he was even inaugurated. I had low expectations, but not even I predicted the astonishing degree of ineptitude and incompetence with which he tried to roll out his Muslim ban. I knew he was likely to ruffle a few feathers with countries that have strained relationships with the US; it never occurred to me that he would be much more rude to staunch US allies like Australia. And don't get me started on his recent accusations against Obama, on which even his own press spokespeople are hanging him out to dry.

Seriously, he is everything I expected, and less.