President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

Nody

Well the Georgia run off results should make the Republicans start to panic; a senate seat held since 1976 and in a 18 people run off (11 republicans) the democratic candidate picked up 48.1% of the votes in the first round almost winning it outright on the platform of "Give the middle finger to Trump" basically....

Billy86

Nody wrote: »

Well the Georgia run off results should make the Republicans start to panic; a senate seat held since 1976 and in a 18 people run off (11 republicans) the democratic candidate picked up 48.1% of the votes in the first round almost winning it outright on the platform of "Give the middle finger to Trump" basically....

That means he's almost certainly going to lose a run off. Still, a good showing for a seat that has been Republican for over 30 years with high profile people like Gingrich and Tom Price.

Nody

Billy86 wrote: »

That means he's almost certainly going to lose a run off. Still, a good showing for a seat that has been Republican for over 30 years with high profile people like Gingrich and Tom Price.

Likely but still with the vote being with in 1% unit if you add up the numbers for each side to take it (50.85% (R) vs. 48.89% (D)) that's still far to close to be a lock in. It would not take a lot to swing that seeing that you only had 193k votes out; that means 1% of votes is only a swing of about 2.000 persons not voting for the main Republican candidate (who only got 19%) and/or voters coming out for the Democrats now that they can see it as a way to flip Trump. Numbers per candidate etc. taken from here.

Igotadose

Nody wrote: »

Well the Georgia run off results should make the Republicans start to panic; a senate seat held since 1976 and in a 18 people run off (11 republicans) the democratic candidate picked up 48.1% of the votes in the first round almostn winning it outright on the platform of "Give the middle finger to Trump" basically....

House not senate. The tGop would have been going nuts if this were a Senate seat

Itssoeasy

I see fox have given bill "we will do it live"o Reilly the chop. Didn't trump say that bill had done nothing wrong or words similar to that ?

Water John

Couldn't have happened to a nicer fellow!!!

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

Couldn't have happened to a nicer fellow!!!

Yeah that do it live clip still gets me. I mean I don't work in tv or anything like it and I KNEW what the guys were asking him to do.

InTheTrees

Some more news; Jason Chaffitz, republican chairman of the house "ethics" committee, is not going to seek reelection next year.

Water John

He might now get time to open his dictionary and see what 'ethics' means.

Itssoeasy

InTheTrees wrote: »

Some more news; Jason Chaffitz, republican chairman of the house "ethics" committee, is not going to seek reelection next year.

The numbers must not have been in his favour.

...And Justice

I see three CVN carriers are on there way to NK. marine traffic shows this.

InTheTrees

Hopefully we're witnessing the end of the "tea party".

aloyisious

...And Justice wrote: »

I see three CVN carriers are on there way to NK. marine traffic shows this.

Assuming you mean US, they have the normal escort complement of anti-sub frigates & A/A-rocket ships?

Peregrinus

...And Justice wrote: »

I see three CVN carriers are on there way to NK. marine traffic shows this.

Linkety-link?

Not that I'm doubting you, or anything, but (as the recent kerfuffle over the Carl Vinson shows) the USN doesn't normally broadcast the position and movements of its vessels.

demfad

It's looking like Trump's upcoming problems will be coming from two directions:

1: The FBI's investigation into Trump/Russia and associated Congress/DOJ/Pantagon investigations.

-- Guardian article (reported earlier by someone)

One source suggested the official investigation was making progress. “They now have specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion,” the source said. “This is between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.”

-- CNN reports that Steele dossier was used to gain more FISA warrants and that the parts referencing Carter Page have been validated. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/18/politics/fbi-dossier-carter-page-donald-trump-russia-investigation/index.html?sr=twCNN041817fbi-dossier-carter-page-donald-trump-russia-investigation1010PMVODtopVideo&linkId=36641704 The dossier alleged that Carter Page was the gobetween Manafort and Russian Intelligence to setup a deal to drop sanctions in exchange for help winning the US election. It also alleged that a % of the Oil company Rosneft was on offer by Russia as part of the deal. Dossier

2: NY Attorney General Schneiderman who went after Trump University is coming after him.

--Emoulments Clause http://www.inquisitr.com/4082379/emoluments-clause-how-ny-attorney-general-schneiderman-could-take-down-trump/

--Rico Case [URL="http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/04/15/new-york-ag-opens-investigation-into-trumps-ties-to-organized-crime-
details/#MAG"]http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/04/15/new-york-ag-opens-investigation-into-trumps-ties-to-organized-crime-details/#MAG[/URL] Most significantly: The Trump empire and Donald Trump's history and it's connections to mafia. Several Mafiosa were recently arrested with connections to Felix Sater, Trumps long time 'business' partner. As Schneiderman works for the State he can't be touched by Trump or fired by the Whitehouse. Apparently these investigations are well advanced.

There is speculation that there is communication between the two approaching fronts and that indictments etc will be choreographed.

Leroy42

Wow, yet again we have plenty of evidence, all just waiting to be dropped on Trump.

What exactly are they waiting for? This is all the Dems are focused on and even after nearly 100 days, they have zip. Nothing more than rumours.

Now, of course I accept what has been pointed out before that evidence takes time, but this is the sitting POTUS, with his hands on the nuclear codes. If that doesn't make people hurry up then what will.

Why has Flynn not testified yet, or Page, or Stone?

I mean, surely if there is even a hint of collusion they FBI should be dragging these people in to shake them down. But instead, after apparently having pretty strong evidence of direct foreign influence, the FBI is just prepared to sit it out for a while?

Zubeneschamali

Leroy42 wrote: »

after apparently having pretty strong evidence of direct foreign influence, the FBI is just prepared to sit it out for a while?

Watergate timeline-
crime: September 9, 1971
resigns: August 8, 1974

Nearly 3 years between the crime and the resignation. Nixon was re-elected in between, and as late as November 17, 1973: Nixon declares, "I'm not a crook".

demfad

Leroy42 wrote: »

Wow, yet again we have plenty of evidence, all just waiting to be dropped on Trump.

What exactly are they waiting for? This is all the Dems are focused on and even after nearly 100 days, they have zip. Nothing more than rumours.

Now, of course I accept what has been pointed out before that evidence takes time, but this is the sitting POTUS, with his hands on the nuclear codes. If that doesn't make people hurry up then what will.

Why has Flynn not testified yet, or Page, or Stone?

I mean, surely if there is even a hint of collusion they FBI should be dragging these people in to shake them down. But instead, after apparently having pretty strong evidence of direct foreign influence, the FBI is just prepared to sit it out for a while?

The FBI or Schneiderman have more than 'zip' clearly.

As this is the president the FBI etc will have only one swing of the axe. It has to be done correctly. All the bad actors need to be taken out at once. Hypothetically, if Pence is involved, he could pardon the entire herd after indictment. Not implying he is, but you may have a similar situation. EG As Russian Ambassador to the US Kislyak is always recorded by the FBI it is safe to assume that US AG Sessions' conversation with him was recorded.
Sessions said he couldn't recall the conversation but if he said anything he shouldnt have then the removal of Sessions must be computed into FBI director Comey's strategy.
That would be my take on the holdup. Added to this you are talking about quite a few people in my opinion. The collollary of this is when the axe falls the reverberations will he heard around the world.
If Flynn or the likes of Giuliani are talking to the FBI or Scheiderman: you wont hear this publicly.

InTheTrees

Leroy42 wrote: »

What exactly are they waiting for?

...to finish the investigation.

Why do you feel its taking too long?

Leroy42

InTheTrees wrote: »

...to finish the investigation.

Why do you feel its taking too long?

It is not that I feel it is taking too long in particular, just that the constant drip of "Loads of evidence", defo something going on etc. How is that helping?

But in terms of the time it is taking, thinking about it yes I do think it is taking too long. We are talking about people who have access to the very deepest secrets of the USA, and it seems that the FBI is prepared to wait until every T is crossed.

If they have any evidence that is substantiated, surely national security interests would warrant them to act straight away. Fine to take your time during the election itself, but Trump has already got involved in military conflict which could potentially plunge the US into another war.

If the general consensus was that our Taoiseach had been colluding with a foreign power I would expect things to move pretty damn fast. Its 5 months since he won!

ScumLord

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is not that I feel it is taking too long in particular, just that the constant drip of "Loads of evidence", defo something going on etc. How is that helping?

In the past we probably wouldn't have heard all this "evidence" until it had been prepared and quantified. Now every bit of information finds its way into the public domain before any sense has been made of it. These things take time, they always have and always will. Social media just spreads this stuff and people want immediate reactions. We should never end up in a state where we react to gossip, which is all we have at this stage.

aloyisious

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is not that I feel it is taking too long in particular, just that the constant drip of "Loads of evidence", defo something going on etc. How is that helping?

But in terms of the time it is taking, thinking about it yes I do think it is taking too long. We are talking about people who have access to the very deepest secrets of the USA, and it seems that the FBI is prepared to wait until every T is crossed.

If they have any evidence that is substantiated, surely national security interests would warrant them to act straight away. Fine to take your time during the election itself, but Trump has already got involved in military conflict which could potentially plunge the US into another war.

If the general consensus was that our Taoiseach had been colluding with a foreign power I would expect things to move pretty damn fast. Its 5 months since he won!

This is where the collator comes in. Tie up any possible loose ends in paperwork and evidence before presenting it in court to prevent defence tearing it to shreds.

Calina

Jason Chaffetz is not standing for re election in 2018, apparently, with a lot of rumours that he is about to resign and not finish his term. As head of investigations and oversight in Congress this is interesting. Given Paul Ryan acknowledged election interference in speeches in London yesterday, it seems to me something has changed lately.

InTheTrees

Calina wrote: »

Jason Chaffetz is not standing for re election in 2018, apparently, with a lot of rumours that he is about to resign and not finish his term. As head of investigations and oversight in Congress this is interesting. Given Paul Ryan acknowledged election interference in speeches in London yesterday, it seems to me something has changed lately.

Yes, its interesting all right. The first I heard of it was that he announced he wasn't going to run in next years election but now it sounds like he may be planning on resigning his seat in the next few days.

...And Justice

Peregrinus wrote: »

Linkety-link?

Not that I'm doubting you, or anything, but (as the recent kerfuffle over the Carl Vinson shows) the USN doesn't normally broadcast the position and movements of its vessels.

I can give you a link, but satellite destroyer and carriers don't show up unless your subscription has been paid. They show up on the west coast of Australia, and the third is crossing over the Atlantic. Ronald Regan and Carl vincen are on their way. It's going to be a week before they get there in position.

Mr.Micro

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is not that I feel it is taking too long in particular, just that the constant drip of "Loads of evidence", defo something going on etc. How is that helping?

But in terms of the time it is taking, thinking about it yes I do think it is taking too long. We are talking about people who have access to the very deepest secrets of the USA, and it seems that the FBI is prepared to wait until every T is crossed.

If they have any evidence that is substantiated, surely national security interests would warrant them to act straight away. Fine to take your time during the election itself, but Trump has already got involved in military conflict which could potentially plunge the US into another war.

If the general consensus was that our Taoiseach had been colluding with a foreign power I would expect things to move pretty damn fast. Its 5 months since he won!

I would not hold your breath on this. Trump will serve his tenure as President, before or if ever any of the stuff the FBI has or is getting affects him. A few side kicks might get done over but little else. It's all just a side show IMO.

FatherTed

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is not that I feel it is taking too long in particular, just that the constant drip of "Loads of evidence", defo something going on etc. How is that helping?

But in terms of the time it is taking, thinking about it yes I do think it is taking too long. We are talking about people who have access to the very deepest secrets of the USA, and it seems that the FBI is prepared to wait until every T is crossed.

If they have any evidence that is substantiated, surely national security interests would warrant them to act straight away. Fine to take your time during the election itself, but Trump has already got involved in military conflict which could potentially plunge the US into another war.

If the general consensus was that our Taoiseach had been colluding with a foreign power I would expect things to move pretty damn fast. Its 5 months since he won!

The FBI are only gettin start and won't release anything unless it is 100% iron clad. After all it took them forever for the multiple Bengazi investigations. Plus they are probably waiting on the likes of Flynn to spill the beans as well. I'd prefer for them to take their time and wait till later this year of perhaps next year mainly because I find Trump and chaotic administration somewhat amusing.

Hank Scorpio

Weird timing in Paris tonight, did Drumpfs Russia connection create attack to help Le Pen?

BoatMad

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Weird timing in Paris tonight, did Drumpfs Russia connection create attack to help Le Pen?

Id say ISIS would be delighted that Le Pen gets in

Peregrinus

They undoubtedly would. She and they are heavily invested in the same "clash of civilisations" narrative, and it would encourage them enormously were she to be elected.

I doubt that this particular attack was engineered to influence the election (or that it will have much influence on the election) but if we do think so, we don't need to invoke Trump or the Russians to account for it.