President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

MightyMandarin

Deleted User wrote: »

This on the other hand is huge and is being taken as truth by a huge swath of America.

Who said I get news from social media? Talk about condescending. I can definitely get reactions from it though.

The golden shower part isn't important at all; the blackmail stuff is however, and it certainly explains why Putin is vehemently in support of Trump as it's far easier to manipulate a narcissistic man-child than someone like Hillary. Anyone who is already taking it as truth however, is just as bad as the clowns who read Breitbart and Alt-Right and believe the lies they purport on those websites.

I think you should stop examining social-media reactions as most people tend to type before they think.

El_Duderino 09

Zubeneschamali wrote:

As a clown with the attention span of a goldfish, I don't think he will have much influence on the professional politicians in the legislature.

That is a massive underestimation of the man.

Zubeneschamali wrote:

His Cabinet are also a bunch of amateurs, and the entire administration will be a mess of crises and scandals from beginning to end, with no lasting influence at all bar the Supreme Court (and he has already published a list of judges that any republican might have suggeted, so nothing unusual there).

His cabinet are professionals, they just aren't public servants. They have no intention to serve the public but they're done of the top professionals at serving themselves and their corporations. If you think Rex Tillerson is an amateur, then you haven't been paying attention.

Harika

MightyMandarin wrote: »

The golden shower part isn't important at all; the blackmail stuff is however, and it certainly explains why Putin is vehemently in support of Trump as it's far easier to manipulate a narcissistic man-child than someone like Hillary. Anyone who is already taking it as truth however, is just as bad as the clowns who read Breitbart and Alt-Right and believe the lies they purport on those websites.

I think you should stop examining social-media reactions as most people tend to type before they think.

Assuming it is real: How can you blackmail someone with prostitutes, when there is a recording, that he can grab any woman anytime?
He himself stated that he can shoot someone and still not loose the support of his people.

MightyMandarin

Harika wrote: »

Assuming it is real: How can you blackmail someone with prostitutes, when there is a recording, that he can grab any woman anytime?
He himself stated that he can shoot someone and still not loose the support of his people.

Read the report, the blackmail has nothing to do with the 'golden shower'.

The report alleges that the Russians have 'compromising information' about Trump.

MightyMandarin

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That is a massive underestimation of the man.



His cabinet are professionals, they just aren't public servants. They have no intention to serve the public but they're done of the top professionals at serving themselves and their corporations. If you think Rex Tillerson is an amateur, then you haven't been paying attention.

Personally, I think he's smarter than he gets credit for, but I'm of the opinion that Ivanka's the brains of the operation. She's in charge of the company now and stands to earn obscene amounts of money in the future.

Some like Tillerson are professionals (and absolute scumbags imo) but some like Monica Crowley are idiots who bull****ted -and in her case, plagiarised- her way into a cabinet position.

Harika

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Read the report, the blackmail has nothing to do with the 'golden shower'.

The report alleges that the Russians have 'compromising information' about Trump.

I think even before the elections enough compromising information has been brought forward to make this man unelectable. But he was elected anyway, so I don't see anything that Russia could have that would make him impeachable.

And Russia already said, they have nothing on him

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819155311793700865

and what a comment said

Seriously though, "Russia says it's fake" isn't the best defense when the whole point is YOU SECRETLY COORDINATED W/ RUSSIA

MightyMandarin

Holy crap he's gone mad on Twitter. This is hilarious.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819159806489591809

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819162968592183298

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096

Honestly the fact that he takes so much time to respond to allegations which are 'clearly bs' in the eyes of his proponents just adds fuel to the suspicion that there's more. Whether the report is true or not remains to be seen, but one things for sure though: there's more to come from this issue.

Inquitus

Godwins Law in action!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096

Inquitus

To quote Trumps Son in 2008

“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., said at a real estate conference in 2008..

Professor Moriarty

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Holy crap he's gone mad on Twitter. This is hilarious.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819159806489591809

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819162968592183298

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096

Honestly the fact that he takes so much time to respond to allegations which are 'clearly bs' in the eyes of his proponents just adds fuel to the suspicion that there's more. Whether the report is true or not remains to be seen, but one things for sure though: there's more to come from this issue.

Is it technically possible to be impeached for insanity before inauguration?

MightyMandarin

The general consensus on reddit, and indeed r/the_Donald is that this all started on 4chan as a hoax and made it's way to John McCain who then sent the dossier, at least that's what his supporters believe.

https://i.redd.it/whwb2gqutz8y.png

The ironic thing is though, they just sent their own leader into a twitter meltdown.

Inquitus

MightyMandarin wrote: »

The general consensus on reddit, and indeed r/the_Donald is that this all started on 4chan as a hoax and made it's way to John McCain who then sent the dossier, at least that's what his supporters believe.

https://i.redd.it/whwb2gqutz8y.png

The ironic thing is though, they just sent their own leader into a twitter meltdown.

That's just deflection, it has nothing to do with 4chan. Bernstein is a very reputable journalist.

CARL BERNSTEIN: It came from a former British MI-6 intelligence agent who was hired by a political research -- opposition research -- firm in Washington who was doing work about Donald Trump for both Republican and Democratic candidates opposed to Trump. They were looking at Trump's business ties. They saw some questionable things about Russians, about his businesses in Russia. They, in turn, hired this MI-6 former investigator. He then came up with additional information from his Russian sources. He was very concerned by the implications of it. He then took it to an FBI colleague that he had known in his undercover work for years. He took it to this FBI man in Rome who turned it over to the bureau in Washington in August. And then a former British ambassador to Russia, independently, was made aware of these findings and he took the information to John McCain, Senator John McCain of Arizona, in the period just after the election, and showed it to McCain -- additional findings. McCain was sufficiently disturbed by what he read, to take it to FBI Director James Comey himself personally. They had a five-minute meeting. The two men, very little was said. McCain turned it over to him and is now awaiting what the FBI’s response is to that information. ​

MightyMandarin

Inquitus wrote: »

That's just deflection, it has nothing to do with 4chan. Bernstein is a very reputable journalist.

They claim though that Bernstein has close ties to Rick Wilson and that he passed it along. This guy seems to be the one who mailed the 'fan-fiction' and Wilson lapped it all up.

https://mobile.twitter.com/trsprudence

demfad

After he was bankrupt 6 times: Russian money was used to bankroll all his property projects.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/14/donald-trump-junior-and-ivanka-material-witnesses-in-huge-tax-scam-case.html

Bayrock had 4 Trump tower projects with plans to build in Moscow and other cities. Heres an excerpt from the lawsuit

11. Concrete example of their crime, Trump SoHo, stands 454 feet tall at Spring and Varick, where it also stands monument to spectacularly corrupt money-laundering and tax evasion:
12. Using artifices to defraud architected by Roberts & Holland and Duval & Stachenfeld in conspiracy with them1, Arif, Satter, Scwharz arranged for up to $250,000,000 of Bayrock‟s profit as the co-developer2 ofTrump SoHo to be laundered, untaxed, through a sham Delaware entity to Iceland (and reportedly then Russia), intending to evade up to $100,000,000 of U.S. taxation.

Here is the source: narcosphere.narconews.com/userfiles/70/Lawsuit.PleadingBayrock.pdf
Before this he was bankrupt 6 times in the flourishing Casino business. One of them 'The Trump' Tazmahal, was fined $10 million in anti-money laundering fines (highest in US history). We dont know who was laundering if any. We do know that the US was used for a lot of money that moved illegally out of Europe in the '90s.

Just to note: Trump worked with Tevfik Arif in projects in Turkey, and with a Canadian Russian on Trump Tower Toronto. In Turkey Tevfik was arrested on a yaght (formerly owned by Ataturk) for human trafficking. 8 business men were also arrested and 8 women/girls were rescued including minors. Another common theme with Trump?

There is an investigation ongoing in the FBI. If it sees the light of day. I believe he is finished, if not before.

MadYaker

This guy really needs to learn to have a bit of self control. He is way too sensitive, these mental twitter rants make him look like an absolute idiot. Wtf is he thinking??? Whether or not it's true I don't know and I doubt we'll ever find out but going on a caps lock rant on twitter makes him look guilty.

Professor Moriarty

MadYaker wrote: »

This guy really needs to learn to have a bit of self control. He is way too sensitive, these mental twitter rants make him look like an absolute idiot. Wtf is he thinking??? Whether or not it's true I don't know and I doubt we'll ever find out but going on a caps lock rant on twitter makes him look guilty.

There's your problem. He is unable to think coherently. He just reacts.

FreudianSlippers

Amerika wrote: »

Senators get to 'testify' to their hearts content in the questioning and debate leading up to a confirmation vote. No need for one to play 'witness.'

...and what, pray tell, does one call a person giving testimony?

FreudianSlippers

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Do what's necessary to cause him to resign. McCain's pretty old and he's used to bring a senior republican, chairing various important committees. He probably doesn't want to become a bog standard senator so he'd almost certainly resign.

That's one possible scenario. Do you think trump will be likely to allow him to stay around in high positions?

Ugh. I'd rather have Trump than that psychopath Pence.

MadYaker

"A house divided cannot stand." -Abe Lincoln


"The only thing to fear is fear itself." -FDR


"Pee on my face" -Donald Trump

El_Duderino 09

MightyMandarin wrote:

Personally, I think he's smarter than he gets credit for, but I'm of the opinion that Ivanka's the brains of the operation. She's in charge of the company now and stands to earn obscene amounts of money in the future.

I'd have thought giving it to his daughter means either he's remaining in control of it himself or he's relying on Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner to do it - i.e. himself.

Placing it far away from himself in a blind trust would indicate he's not in control of it. Handing it to his daughter Is the exact same as holding on to it himself.

El_Duderino 09

FreudianSlippers wrote:

Ugh. I'd rather have Trump than that psychopath Pence.

In all seriousness Trump qualifies as a sociopath. Pence just seems like a religious fanatic.

Trump has the nouse to get all kinds of things done. I don't know whether Pence has that or not. Give me Pence any day.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

I'd have thought giving it to his daughter means either he's remaining in control of it himself or he's relying on Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner to do it - i.e. himself.

*Giving the business to his daughter.

Oh no.

**Handing his business interests you his daughter to manage on his behalf.

You can't tell fact from fiction with Trump.

demfad

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Ugh. I'd rather have Trump than that psychopath Pence.

I don't know the legality of this.

But the LEAST we can say is that the FBI sat on info that they were investigating Donald Trump in serious (potentially treasonous) allegations while rushing to publish a technical reopening of the Clinton investigation. If they dont make public the Hilary stuff or do make public the Donald stuff, I think she wins. That's not counting Russian interference.
Ethically this was an unfair election. Neither Trump nor Pence is legitimate.
Legally a different story obviously.

Exeggcute

Its a 4chan hoax. Even the NYT have said that CNN and Buzzfeed have fallen victim to "fake news". Lol

How embarrassing

demfad

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

*Giving the business to his daughter.

Oh no.

**Handing his business interests you his daughter to manage on his behalf.

You can't tell fact from fiction with Trump.

Speaking of Kushner...bought property from Leviev, Putin associate.
Leviev formerly employed Rotem Rosen, the Trump SOHO investor.
Several floors of old NY Times building in 2015 for $295 million
Lev Leviev an Israeli is Chairman of the largest real estate company in Russia.

MadYaker

Exeggcute wrote: »

Its a 4chan hoax. Even the NYT have said that CNN and Buzzfeed have fallen victim to "fake news". Lol

How embarrassing

I woudn't be so sure about that. The Russians have been trying to collect compromising info on Trump for a long time.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/index.html

Are you a Trump supporter? What's your opinion on his twitter rants?

FreudianSlippers

demfad wrote: »

I don't know the legality of this.

But the LEAST we can say is that the FBI sat on info that they were investigating Donald Trump in serious (potentially treasonous) allegations while rushing to publish a technical reopening of the Clinton investigation. If they dont make public the Hilary stuff or do make public the Donald stuff, I think she wins. That's not counting Russian interference.
Ethically this was an unfair election. Neither Trump nor Pence is legitimate.
Legally a different story obviously.

Only two things can really happen:

1) The Republican party themselves "impeaches" Trump prior to inauguration and Pence is President.

2) Congress indicts Trump, which would not prevent him from taking office, and they can either (A) allow him to take office and then (i) resign or (ii) begin impeachment proceedings or (B) refuse to certify the election results.

In the case of 2B, I don't believe it has ever occurred, nor is there any provision in law that I'm aware of that tells us what to do if this happens. It would be a Constitutional crisis beyond anything seen in US history.

So if I were a betting man: Trump is sworn in; Trump or Pence will be President for the next 4 years (barring any other scandal or worse).

FreudianSlippers

Exeggcute wrote: »

Its a 4chan hoax. Even the NYT have said that CNN and Buzzfeed have fallen victim to "fake news". Lol

How embarrassing

Can you show me in their top news story where they say this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/russia-rejects-trump-allegations/index.html

demfad

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Only two things can really happen:

1) The Republican party themselves "impeaches" Trump prior to inauguration and Pence is President.

2) Congress indicts Trump, which would not prevent him from taking office, and they can either (A) allow him to take office and then (i) resign or (ii) begin impeachment proceedings or (B) refuse to certify the election results.

In the case of 2B, I don't believe it has ever occurred, nor is there any provision in law that I'm aware of that tells us what to do if this happens. It would be a Constitutional crisis beyond anything seen in US history.

So if I were a betting man: Trump is sworn in; Trump or Pence will be President for the next 4 years (barring any other scandal or worse).

You have to remember that the FBI investigation will have to be made public now because of this leak. That will finish Trump.
There is more to come I'm sure. Some of the journalists who were aware of Trump's likely Kompromat situation also heard rumours of IRS leaks on the way.

A Pence presidency is better as Putin/Trump/Bannon destroy EU agenda dealt a severe blow.

Exeggcute

MadYaker wrote: »

I woudn't be so sure about that. The Russians have been trying to collect compromising info on Trump for a long time.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/index.html

Are you a Trump supporter? What's your opinion on his twitter rants?

The New York Times just published a story saying that CNN and Buzzfeed have published what amounts to "fake news".

No I am not. Nor am I a Clinton supporter or have any love for either party in the U.S.

Twitter rants? There are far more serious things to be concerned about concerning this election. Twitter rants and faux outrage would be bottom of my priority list.