President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

Arghus

Well from Donald's perspective talking absolute gibberish has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams up to this point - so why stop now?

In a way I almost admire him in his dogged refusal to talk any sense - almost.

Arghus

Peregrinus wrote: »

Well, they elected George W. Bush, who was also barely capable of completing a sentence, remember?

"Articulate" is not a quality that the Americans necessarily require in a President.

You should listen/read/watch to some of the interviews George W. gave to a few American media outlets back in February this year. After a year of Trump clogging up the airwaves, Dubya sounded like Abraham Lincoln in comparison.

Bush was one level of bad; Trump's level of incoherence is truly staggering.

wonderfullife

Any chance of site-wide-Bans being issued for anybody writing the following words:

"Trump will pivot......."

A pivot implies he has ever held any position on any matter. It's overwhelmingly likely he can't even spell the word.

Nobody knew spelling was so complicated #MAGA

A Trump "position" or "policy" is regurgitating the last racist, misogynistic, economic nationalist (or globalist) advice he just received.

TL;DR: Trump's position is whatever the last person he spoke to just told him.

ECO_Mental

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/856172056932700164

He has started to do his about turn on the stupid wall,

Eventually = never
At a later date = never
Paying In some Form = maybe they will pay in hugs and kisses, or Tequila or maybe Sombrero hats that will do I suppose.

Is there any campaign promise he has lived up to....forget about the SC that had to be done anyway and he only managed that by the GOP going nuclear which hopefully will back fire on them big style in a couple of years (

Christy42

ECO_Mental wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/856172056932700164

He has started to do his about turn on the stupid wall,

Eventually = never
At a later date = never
Paying In some Form = maybe they will pay in hugs and kisses, or Tequila or maybe Sombrero hats that will do I suppose.

Is there any campaign promise he has lived up to....forget about the SC that had to be done anyway and he only managed that by the GOP going nuclear which hopefully will back fire on them big style in a couple of years (

He wI'll struggle to get it started. Never mind get it paid back. Curious about how the budget will look when it gets through. Remember it needs 8 Democrats at least to agree to it and I have not seen any attempt to deal with Trump at any point.

Honestly seems impossible to believe given the power Republicans have but given how badly the health care bill was bungled his 100th day in office could be marked with a government shut down.

Leroy42

He doesn't need to get the wall built, he only needs to make a start.

Do enough sections to allow for some photo ops, with ICE officials with some guns and possibly some black SUV's

That will be enough to convince his core support that he is getting things done.

Take a 1bn from the defence budget and make a wall

Akrasia

Trump is after calling the entire senate to the white house to be briefed on North Korea....

What is he up to?

The 'urgency' surrounding North Korea is entirely due to Trump's escalating of tensions and provocative statements to the Chinese, and the North Koreans.

This is bad. Trump and his team know that the only proven and reliable way to boost flagging approval ratings is to go to war, and he is still flying high from the fellatio he got from the cable news networks following his tomahawk missile strike against the Syrian airfield.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/25/trump-summons-entire-senate-to-white-house-briefing-on-north-korea

Water John

They might get a lecture from Steve Bannon.

Oafley Jones

Arghus wrote: »

You should listen/read/watch to some of the interviews George W. gave to a few American media outlets back in February this year. After a year of Trump clogging up the airwaves, Dubya sounded like Abraham Lincoln in comparison.

Bush was one level of bad; Trump's level of incoherence is truly staggering.

I was discussing Trump's staggeringly poor communications skills on another board, when another user posted this...

At least Bush appeared to more or less know what he was trying to say and just couldn't did worded good. It's abundantly clear by this point that Trump just opens his mouth and unleashes a splat of verbal diarrhea, little half-digested microconcepts formed from the day's cable talk shows sludging together into a torrent of nonsense until he feels he's made enough noise that it's time to close his mouth for a minute so that everybody has a chance to sit back and ruminate upon his brilliance

I can't improve on that really.

Water John

Just briefly say him talking to the astronaut last night. He had two fingers on the sheet in front of him marking the next thing he had to say. He was also flanked by two women, may have been Conway and his daughter, with briefing notes!!!

Oafley Jones

Water John wrote: »

Just briefly say him talking to the astronaut last night. He had two fingers on the sheet in front of him marking the next thing he had to say. He was also flanked by two women, may have been Conway and his daughter, with briefing notes!!!

That's fuking rough:eek: That was astronaut Kate Rubins

Igotadose

Akrasia wrote: »

Trump is after calling the entire senate to the white house to be briefed on North Korea....

What is he up to?

The 'urgency' surrounding North Korea is entirely due to Trump's escalating of tensions and provocative statements to the Chinese, and the North Koreans.

This is bad. Trump and his team know that the only proven and reliable way to boost flagging approval ratings is to go to war, and he is still flying high from the fellatio he got from the cable news networks following his tomahawk missile strike against the Syrian airfield.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/25/trump-summons-entire-senate-to-white-house-briefing-on-north-korea

Must be some Russia news soon to break.

aloyisious

Akrasia wrote: »

Trump is after calling the entire senate to the white house to be briefed on North Korea....

What is he up to?

The 'urgency' surrounding North Korea is entirely due to Trump's escalating of tensions and provocative statements to the Chinese, and the North Koreans.

This is bad. Trump and his team know that the only proven and reliable way to boost flagging approval ratings is to go to war, and he is still flying high from the fellatio he got from the cable news networks following his tomahawk missile strike against the Syrian airfield.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/25/trump-summons-entire-senate-to-white-house-briefing-on-north-korea

Hopefully it's nothing stupid. RTE reported on the 10 news that a US Submarine has arrived at S/Korea. Just on Sean O'Rourke now, the Sub is matching up with warships for a naval exercise. Mention also of N/Korea testing artillery

Professor Moriarty

Great line from an opinion piece on CNN:

You can't out-crazy Kim Jong Un.

Harika

Still what does he want to do, except showing strength?
Like a Tomahawk attack, can never take out enough artillery, so that the retaliatory strike does not cause severe damage in South Korea. Same goes for an atomic first strike, except this would isolate US completely from the western allies. And boots on the ground, there is not enough US military available and North Korea has far too many soldiers, so they would need South Korea's help what would end in a blood bath for both sides.

Leroy42

Harika wrote: »

Still what does he want to do, except showing strength?
Like a Tomahawk attack, can never take out enough artillery, so that the retaliatory strike does not cause severe damage in South Korea. Same goes for an atomic first strike, except this would isolate US completely from the western allies. And boots on the ground, there is not enough US military available and North Korea has far too many soldiers, so they would need South Korea's help what would end in a blood bath for both sides.

And therein, IMO, lies Trumps problem. I don't have an issue with him taking an interest in NK. Again IMO, I feel that it has been left get away with too much for too long.

But he basically pulled out the big stick straight away. no messing around, no dialogue with others (apart from China schooling him in the actual history and politics of the region!).

The problem with the big stick approach, is that if the other side doesn't back down then you have little options left. Like a fight in the schoolyard, if you call someone out as s chicken and they stand up to you, you have little options left. Either fight or walk away and be called a coward.

Trump has always been in a position of strength in business and life due to money etc and that has been amplified due to the POTUS position. So he wades in to situations he doesn't understand, or even care to understand, thinking that the military might he now controls will solve the problem. Of course if it was that easy then the previous POTUS' would have solved it. He seems to be under the impression that the other POTUS did nothing out of being cowards or something.

The big difference here is that KJI has nothing to lose. His country is built completely for him. He knows that recent previous attempts by the US at regime change have been disasters and his people are already fecked anyway. Compare that to US, where middle America (all of it probably) don't fancy sending their sons and daughters away to fight and losing a generation to the financial effects of another war. They might win in the end, but what will they gain from it? And GOP and Trump need to get re-elected, something KJI doesn't need to worry about.

So what does he do if NK doesn't back down? What if they keep doing tests? He really has given himself only one option, either that or back down which will lead to even more problems as every country will deem him to be weak and ignore any further threats

ECO_Mental

Igotadose wrote: »

Must be some Russia news soon to break.

Yep....

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/25/michael-flynn-turkey-russia-237550

Igotadose

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Yep....

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/25/michael-flynn-turkey-russia-237550

Thanks. Well, gee. Flynn's shady. More grist for the investigations by the FBI. I'm thinking we may hear more about that, soon, hence the big North Korea deflection. Been kinda quiet on that front the last few weeks, though it's hard to keep up with the Trump Administration daily mayhem and international embarrassments.

BoatMad

Igotadose wrote: »

Thanks. Well, gee. Flynn's shady. More grist for the investigations by the FBI. I'm thinking we may hear more about that, soon, hence the big North Korea deflection. Been kinda quiet on that front the last few weeks, though it's hard to keep up with the Trump Administration daily mayhem and international embarrassments.

I dont think Trump can bomb enough countries to deflect attention for his whole 4 years , he may try of course, which is the danger

Billy86

BoatMad wrote: »

I dont think Trump can bomb enough countries to deflect attention for his whole 4 years , he may try of course, which is the danger

Yeah, but at least Trump won't start wars and bomb other countries.

BoatMad

Billy86 wrote: »

Yeah, but at least Trump won't bomb other countries.

??? seriously , there is a serious flaw in your argument

Billy86

BoatMad wrote: »

??? seriously , there is a serious flaw in your argument

This was one of the main reasons Trump supporters claimed to be behind him before the election.

He'll probably reduce drone usage as well.

BoatMad

Billy86 wrote: »

This was one of the main reasons Trump supporters claimed to be behind him before the election.

He'll probably reduce drone usage as well.

but of course you are being sarcastic

Billy86

BoatMad wrote: »

but of course you are being sarcastic

No, not at all. The fact drone strikes are up by something like 400% with bombs being dropped on Syria, the biggest non nuclear bomb in history being dropped in Afghanistan, war seems very likely on the horizon with North Korea who are extremely likely to obliterate Seoul for no other reason than putting a fight up on the way down if attacked, and so on is just a coincidence and not in any way Trump's fault.

BoatMad

Billy86 wrote: »

No, not at all. The fact drone strikes are up by something like 400% with bombs being dropped on Syria, the biggest non nuclear bomb in history being dropped in Afghanistan, war seems very likely on the horizon with North Korea who are extremely likely to obliterate Seoul for no other reason than putting a fight up on the way down if attacked, and so on is just a coincidence and not in any way Trump's fault.

I was making the point that I think most of Trumps overseas policies ( given he was an isolationist in the campaigns ) , at present , are attempts to deflect attention from his domestic issues.


that suggests he made gerrymander situations ( just like Syria ) to try and produce futher distractions.

There will be no military action against NK, The Chinese will ultimately reign them in .

Billy86

BoatMad wrote: »

I was making the point that I think most of Trumps overseas policies ( given he was an isolationist in the campaigns ) , at present , are attempts to deflect attention from his domestic issues.


that suggests he made gerrymander situations ( just like Syria ) to try and produce futher distractions.

There will be no military action against NK, The Chinese will ultimately reign them in .

I agree, it's been pretty telling that more or less all bold moves militarily have been followed by another revelation to Russia. I hope you're right on the last part, but the concern is if Trump's ego would override anything and everything else, fearing that people would see him as weak for stepping down from the stance he has taken. It's ridiculous, but perhaps the most powerful man in the entire world is someone you could possibly childishly tease into potential nuclear warfare.

Keep an eye out for something to happen May 1st/2nd, that's the day (the 2nd) that Sally Yates who was fired as AG is due to testify in the Senate investigation, which if I am correct is due to be broadcast on TV and not behind closed doors.

BoatMad

I hope you're right on the last part

The Chineese have warned against any military intervention against NK, so unless there is a NK first strike , I see no chance of any US unilateral intervention. NK depends on China, they will reign in their errant cousin

demfad

Sally Yates will testify on the Senate Intel sub comittee on May 8th.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/25/politics/sally-yates-testify-senate-subcommittee/

She is also due to testify in front of the equivalent House committee sometime after May 2nd (exact date not announced yet).
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-04-21/house-intelligence-committee-invites-sally-yates-to-testify

Remember, her testimony is what caused Nunes to do his absolutely panicked 'stunt' resulting in his recusal and investigation by the ethics committee by revealing details of a secret investigation.

Expect plenty of 'action' around Korea to drown this out.

Kermit.de.frog

Subs from strike group arrive in SK

InTheTrees

Ivanka Trump gets booed after she claims her father is a champion for families at a panel discussion in Germany. She also goes on to blame her fathers reputation on the media. Despite the white house pushing her image as a moderate influence she's no different from the rest of them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/25/ivanka-trump-wants-to-help-female-entrepreneurs-they-say-her-dad-is-making-their-work-harder/?utm_term=.3eaeb45b479c